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Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I love the art-style overall, but I'm bothered by Diane's looks. She looks and acts so blandly, in a way that takes away from Allison Brie's strengths. Like a less-interesting-looking Daria. Kind of feel the same way about Princess Caroline - Amy Sedaris is a riot, but her character model is, I dunno, not letting her play it to the fullest.

But I love it. I think so far, what really tickled me is that, early on he buys a restaurant as a one-upsmanship move which on most shows like this would just be a one-time gag. But later in the season, he just owns a restaurant now.

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Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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My favorite sort-of animal gag was when Quentin Tarantulino started and finished a slow-clap to full round of applause with his 6 hands.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Finale spoilers: I think the only hope for Bojack is going to come from his definition of what 'happy' is evolving. He almost hit on that in the planetarium with Sarah Lynn, but then the unpleasantness happened.

also

food boob s ?

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jul 23, 2016

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Missing Donut posted:

I think my favorite visual gag is the selfie stick at the old folks' home in episode 3.

I dunno why, but I couldn't stop laughing at the Krill & Grace poster.

What impressed me about Episode 4 was how funny it was. I think gimmick episodes can really go either way; but even with the handicap of no intelligible speech, it was as funny as any episode.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Lt. Danger posted:

I watched all of Bojack Horseman over the last week or so.

I think I need to lie down.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I'm not sure if I grasped what they were going for when they compared Bojack's lovelife to Doubt. Was that just supposed to be a funny title of a Meryl Streep movie, saying that his relationships were full of uncertainty and doubt? Or were they actually going to the level of, 'He doesn't know whether or not he would've had sex with a minor (he probably would have)'?

VVVV Huh. drat, I guess so. drat Bojack

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jul 24, 2016

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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One dumb joke I missed the first time was Princess Caroline on her dates. With the albino rhinoceros gynecologist, when he offers to inspect her:

PC: Not if you were the last albino rhino gyno on Earth!
AR: Well, I'm the only albino rhyno gyno I know... would you like to get some wine?
PC: Oh great. You're also a wine addict.

:newlol:

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 25, 2016

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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bring back old gbs posted:

lol

-JENNIFER LAWRENCE
-JENNIFER LAWRENCE
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-JENNIFER LAWRENCE
-JENNIFER LAWRENCE



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-JENNIFER LAWRENCE

Also all the actors names were great Jerg Clerner and all their oscar bait movie titles. But then Colin Firth is just....Colin Firth. His name already sounds like the garbeled version.

Is Cate Blanchett good, or is she just tall?

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I feel like a big idiot. This show is one that you really shouldn't have on 'in the background'.

I've probably been through the first couple seasons 3-4 times. And since the first watching, I completely forgot that Secretariat killed himself. That scene is all low-volume, radio show chatter, and I kept not looking at the TV during it I suppose. Kind of paints the final scene in Season 3 a little differently. BoJack's brain probably tearing itself apart between the two lesson's he learned as a kid from Secretariat - keep running / kill yourself.

This post was dumb, so here's an easily miss-able sight gag:

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Brodeurs Nanny posted:

Bojack, to Diane, mourning Sarah Lynn on his couch: "What are you doing here"

That's great.

As an aside, if there's one thing I think this show could do that would disappoint me, it would be BoJack and Diane sleeping together for any reason at all.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Dolash posted:

Also on Bojack and Diane, possibly the only thing close to development for Bojack is they don't seem to be at risk of sleeping together. I don't think there was ever a point where Diane seemed like she was falling for him, like when Charlotte kissed Bojack and then had to ask him to leave - even at her lowest point when she crashed on his couch for four months hiding from Mr. Peanutbutter, their relationship was just two bummed out people dragging each other down. There was that bit this season where one of her old friends asked her why she went to him instead of one of her other friends and she dodged the issue, but I think that's as simple as all her other friends would've pushed her to do the right thing whereas she knew staying with Bojack would let her wallow in her misery.

This is what I was thinking about when I said I hope they never sleep together.

Their relationship has complexities. BoJack is introspective, he understands despair, and is willing to wallow in it and commiserate. When Diane feels pressure be important and fails, he's a very comfortable place to go to. It's probably its own kind of high to hang out doing drugs with BoJack and forget about expectations of you. So in season 3 she had to stay away from him because it's too comfortable to defiantly not give a poo poo. Kind of like that 30 Rock episode about how lying down in the snow will make you feel warm and euphoric before it kills you. So if the show turned this co-dependency into a romantic thing, it'd bum me out.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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When BoJack meets with Jill Pill in the diner, there is a flyer for a lost dog named Spike. Instructions are to call Mike 929-555-1130.

On the other end of the board there is a flyer for a lost human named Mike. Instructions are to call Spike 929-555-1131. Both last seen in Central Park

I like Netflix shows that make use of their easily pause-able format. Though I guess you can do that with most cable boxes now too.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I'm still harboring the belief that Judah is actually a lion, with his mane all in a man-bun.

I noticed in S3 that Princess Carolyn has the book Me Meow Pretty One Day on her book shelf - real life book, Me Talk Pretty One Day, having been written by Amy Sedaris' brother David Sedaris. I'm just pointing out dumb sight gags now, sorry. I never get over how the show seamlessly, and somewhat randomly, switches between real-life references, and real-life references altered to make an animal pun.

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Aug 2, 2016

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I love Todd.

Just something about the combination of saying he wouldn't get lost on the way to the ice machine because New York is on a grid, and then immediately getting lost had me in stitches.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I've been re-watching a bit, anticipating the new season. Some of the puns don't really hit you until you say them out-loud. Maybe it was talked about back when season 1 came out, but I just realized that Herb Kazzaz's nurse is, like, a Care Bear. Like a Homecare Bear?

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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LORD OF BOOTY posted:

RBW has already said last season was BoJack's rock bottom. I don't think we're gonna see even darker poo poo this season.

I mean, there's this thing with addiction and depression where you can hit 'rock bottom' many times. And rock bottom becomes a comfortable place you're used to and expect of yourself, and you either wallow there or kill yourself.

If the show stays there, I hope this is the last season. They'd have to make a real pivot to make the show interesting if they kept going for a while, since they've driven so hard into abject despair.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Episode 3 - Channing Tatum's welcome mat.

STEP UP 2
THE DOOR


lmfao

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I don't know if I'd call Ep.2 the lobotomy "cartoony" as much as just inelegant? Like they had brought us 90% of the way to the same place without adding that, it felt heavy handed. Then again, it's a quick way to seal in that piece of the story in a show that only gets 12 episodes; and they used some of that imagery well in Ep. 11, so overall, it worked just fine imo.

I'm really pleased by this show, and if any of it felt weak to me, that's only when I compare it to itself. Why can't I get my friends to watch it? :(

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I'm sure it's been said like a billion times before, but the more I watch this, and especially after seeing the Secretariat suicide scene again, I really feel like the show creators have to feel like they're telling the world's biggest, "Why the long face?" joke.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I think for me, the lobotomy felt unwieldy because it already has so many rigid connotations to what it is and what it means in shows and movies. The story in the flashback was already leading to the same place the lobotomy took us unnecessarily. Then the lobotomy felt like a compact microcosm of the story they just spent an episode unravelling to us, if that makes sense.

I don't think any more than like one person in this thread thinks it's cartoony, or that it didn't exist the way we saw it. But idk, it just feels like a device that's so saturated with pre-determined meaning that it was a disservice to the work the episode had already put in to bring us to that place.

As I said though earlier though, it's really minor for me, and I like the way the imagery was brought back at the end of the season.

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Sep 11, 2017

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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ExplodingSims posted:

Another great gag from PC's story:

"You have more than Harry Potter films, less than James Bond"
"Doctor, no!"

Goddamn. I caught the wino albino rhino gyno I know, but missed this.

I can't get over the sight gags in this show. They know we can all pause it, and they use that. I really like when they take existing signs and cross them off to say other things. Like, "It's a boy borted!", or this season, "Get Well Hands Soon" for Woodchuck.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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LeJackal posted:

After all that Bojack's been through, the ending of this season was a nice :unsmith: moment. I feel like he's turning it around. It isn't much, but when you're that deep...

It's really welcome for me. The best part of this show is the keen way it handles real emotion; and ending a season this way once or twice proves that it's not just misery porn.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Lurdiak posted:

I'm not saying the guy doesn't ever feel sadness or even have issues, but I absolutely do not buy for a second that he's "depressed", unless we're using a definition of the word that involves the person who has depression suffering no depression.

I gotta agree with this. If you take a list of depression symptoms, and try to find that in Mr. Peanutbutter, it's not there textually. He's manic, bordering on, at his lowest, well-adjusted.

EDIT: I'm not saying his character couldn't be taken that way in the future, but attributing depression to Mr. Peanutbutter when he's right alongside Diane and Bojack just doesn't make sense. No one in the show isn't depressed if that's how we're viewing it - except maybe Margo Martindale.

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Sep 12, 2017

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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In Ep 4 of this season, Katrina comes in to tell Mr. PB that he's up in the polls for the first time.

Mr PB says: Wow. Am I John Davidson, Cathy Lee Crosby, and Fran Tarkenton right now? Because that's --
Katrina interrupts: We don't have time for whatever dumb reference you were setting up.

Felt I had to look it up, and I found that those three hosted a show called "That's Incredible!" Thought I'd share - I had no idea who they were.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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Solice Kirsk posted:

She had also hid the fact that she had 5 miscarriages and still just wants to keep slamming them out with out considering adoption, not to mention he just found out she kept her old place "just in case." The whole thing felt rushed and they were both being really immovable in their stances. I think Ralph may be coming back at some point.

This kind of thing (Ralph and PC giving up on their relationship really easily) always makes me look at what the plot's doing. I feel like you see it in a lot of shows that didn't really know where they were going - or that didn't plan on getting several seasons, so they have "Reset" the characters to get them into a position where they can advance old plot ideas that got away from them.

I always think about Battlestar Galactica for this one. In the middle episodes the plot loses itself, and you can tell, because as it starts to get to the ending, the plot starts yanking characters back into places they were several seasons prior. Most glaring example I can think of is how they killed the Chief's little engineer wife for hardly any reason, so that, a couple episodes later, they could have the Chief have an emotional episode with the woman he was involved with at the beginning of the show, from whom he had become estranged. You see it in a lot of shows, and it's really obvious, and it bums me out. They let the plot go crazy, but aren't willing to sacrifice their initial ideas for where the plot would go, so they yank it all back into place in unsatisfying ways.

I'm not saying Bojack Horseman is doing that now; but PC and Ralph splitting for such a minor reason, and the season ending with Bojack and PC about to work on a project again is giving me that impression. We'll just have to see what happens, I guess.

Also, for a fun thing I noticed on my 3rd or 4th rewatch of season 3, when PC and Ralph first meet, he offers to take her to a little, "hole in the wall" restaurant, hee hee hee. Dunno how I didn't catch that joke before.


Edit:VVVVVVVVV -Definitely could be that that too. I'm more inclined to give this show the benefit of the doubt. It was just setting off a little alarm in my head.

Captain Lavender fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Sep 13, 2017

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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oldskool posted:

When I tell people to watch this, I tell them to put it on in the background while they're messing around on their phone or laptop or whatever; eventually the show will grab their attention. I feel the real appeal & what seals the deal is stealing a meal from Neil McBeal the Navy SEAL.

That's how I got into it. I just wanted something on, and peeked at it from time to time. Then all of a sudden, "Oh this network exec talking down to Bojack sounds interesting," leading into his episode with Herb Kazzaz. Made me give the whole thing a second look.

Incidentally, it's the same way I got through the first half of Season 1 of Lost. I'm kind of amazed that show caught on from the get-go.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I didn't notice until my second watching of Ruthie that the coast line comes right up to the Hollywoo sign.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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In 'Ruthie', they show Judah's profile with his full name, Judah Mannowdog. And I've long thought that Judah was some kind of animal that I'm just not recognizing or that they're trying to conceal. I saw this name, "Is he like a man transitioned into a dog?"

But no, Ju-dah man now, dog.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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thanks alot assbag posted:

You're not wrong to think that, I had a few people get very upset with me when I mentioned my gentle opinion that Pickle Rick was too violent for my own tastes.

Glad BoJack is back for season 5! I hope Mr. Peanutbutter is okay. This is what I always worry about i love him

I hope Mr. Peanutbutter doesn't just lie on the couch, depressed, waiting for Diane to come back - jumping up and running to the door every time he hears a car drive nearby. :( for he is a dog, you see

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I'm definitely OK with MPB's struggles remaining largely outward, as opposed to the other main characters. Keeps it fresh a bit, I don't think the show runners want an "Everyone's depressed secretly" thing going on. I watched an interview with Bob-Waksburg, and he made it sound like a top goal is to not just have a homogonized, everything-is-awful, approach, and liked to keep the show varied as they can. I'm not looking forward to an arc about Mr. Peanutbutter's deep inner torment as revealed through adversity.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I think I may have laughed the at "I'm J. goddamn D. goddamn Salinger" more than anything.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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YeahTubaMike posted:

I didn't actually catch that until goons mentioned it. :doh:


:aaaaa: I guess I'm pretty slow on the uptake when it comes to this show's references/jokes.

It's so easy to miss jokes that even seem obvious on review. Considering there are 4 jokes for every 5 sentences in this show, plus sight gags, you really have to pay attention to catch most of them.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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I like what someone said a while back, about maybe he starts dealing with conflict in a healthy way, but finds out that life is still just really hard. Maybe believe that life might always be awful for him, but that it doesn't always have to mean that he's awful.

I wouldn't say I've learned a lot or gained an incredible insight from this show, but something from it keeps popping up. Sometimes at work or otherwise, I can get negative or nasty; and I used to consider it a good thing that I could recognize and apologize in those cases. But now, whenever I do that, I hear Aaron Paul's voice yelling, "You have to BE better!" Reminds me that apologizing doesn't wipe out what I've done; and if I don't stop doing it in the future it's kind of manipulative to commodify my contrition.

Show is good.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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The Human Crouton posted:


Related to that: does anyone remember how that became recorded, or have we not seen that happen?

I don't think I saw this answered. It was the manatee journalist he was going to sleep with in season 3 ep 1, that Ana "handles" in some way.

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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fawning deference posted:

Does basically everyone get hooked on the show for good after S1E7's ending with PC? I remember liking it but not being married to it for 5 or 6 episodes but that ending I found so sad out of nowhere and made me think this might be a great show.

Mine was S1E8 when the network exec sits Bojack down to explain why he's not going to go down with Herb. I didn't like episodes 1 or 2 very much and I wasn't actually paying attention to the show until that part - I just had it on because I like the sound of Will Arnett's voice. It made me go restart it, and watch it closely.

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Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

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If the purpose of Diane's over explaining and summarizing everything lovely Bojack has done was aimed at informing us about her character, I think it still fits. But the episode where she just lays it all on Bojack, he's clearly the focus.

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