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LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

DivisionPost posted:

Don't forget that BoJack is the size of a normal human but is also 1200 lbs. End of the day, it's all cartoon logic; coolness and/or comedy supersede reality.

Not that I mean to come off as judgmental. I've been there. Just...can't help pointing that out, I guess.

Also, Mister Peanutbutter is really tall. Like Todd's hat is even with his V-neck. I thought he was some kind of retriever, but he's tall like a great dane or something!

My immersion.


Seriously, he was really menacing in the back alley with Todd.

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LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Mahoning posted:

When you're walking alone?

How in the hell did that ever last so long with poo poo songs like that?

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
I have to wonder what that line in the end episode meant; from the Secretariat director, 'You have to lose fifty pounds and gain 20'. Does that mean he has to lose 50 pounds of fat and then put on 20 worth of muscle?

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Boogaleeboo posted:

You really don't have to spoil that. It either means that, or he needs to lose 50 and then put on 20 for later on in his life. Probably the muscle thing though.

I err on the side of spoilers because I've been burned before.

I really hope something positive comes of this for BoJack. Sure he can be a super rear end in a top hat sometimes, but nobody is 100% a dick, right? He's a very sympathetic horse. Man. Horse-man. Man-horse.

I'm not sure of the proportions.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
Hrmm, I just realized after re-watching the title sequence that BoJack spends a lot of time either drinking or eating....some kind of oral fixation after years of singing the Lollipop Song in a sailor costume?

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Naet posted:

BoJack is suddenly successful and popular again but now he's legitimately worried about being a bad person. Playing Secretariat might just fuel that, as well, considering that Secretariat doesn't seem like that great of a role model. Maybe BoJack will try to settle down? Todd is now PB Livin' large, suggesting he might move out of BoJack's place -- what will happen to that relationship? Princess Carolyn is happy with work and finally in a stable relationship... with 3 kids stacked on top of each other. Mr. Peanutbutter is a total doof but apparently has a so-far unexplored dark side (see: his horribleinsightful advice to Diane about finding distractions until death comes).

I fixed that for you - and yes, i want to see more of Mr. Peanutbutter. He is very interesting and I'm curious to see more of his inner mental workings.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

IRQ posted:

Is it just me or is Netflix's release schedule pretty quick for some things? It seems like this and Trailer Park Boys just had their seasons, yet TPB is out next week and this is out in a couple months?

e: wait, this came out last august? Feels like it hasn't been that long.

Animation almost always takes longer than live-action.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Hollismason posted:

Jesus Christ Episode 11 is brutal. Just a full on kick in the teeth. Her reaction though was loving perfect

Just think how much more brutal that Episode 11 could have been if that balloon drifted by a few minutes later.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Dolash posted:

Just finished myself and I have to agree, even with episode 11
That and Princess Carolyn finally scoring a win. That felt huge, like an actual character triumph in a show that prides itself in making the point that characters don't change. So two rays of hope.


Princess Carolyn stuff: I really agree. At first I had to wonder about the sudden introduction of Rutabaga and the new dynamic at Vigor, but when it was combined with the Vincent storyline the amount of development and character growth for her was amazing. Super awesome. Good job burning those bridges.

Dolash posted:

Edit - I wonder what Bojack's friends would make of the events of episode 11, if they knew? Would it just be one more bad thing Bojack had done, or would it go too far even for people accustomed to him?

Episode 11: I am sure they would be fiiiiiinnneee with it. After all, 17 is the age of consent in New Mexico and she hadn't drank a drop! Totally legal, which means that it is completely ethical and moral, right? Right? I think what is really telling is what Bojack said to Penny - "You look just like your mother". First he refused her, and made moves on Charlotte, and only after being rejected did he take up Penny on her offer. Its ironic that he told her "You don't know what you want" because he is is the same boat. He has no idea what he wants, much less what he needs, and he continually tries to fill this empty space inside him with phantoms of the past or outright delusions. Penny and Bojack are both looking for something the other cannot give them, and so their attempted tryst is more tragic than it is shocking to the conscience.

Episode 5: I think that Episode 5 might have had the best self-contained gag. The entire sequence with Meow Meow Fuzzyface and his fellow officers trying to decide which cop cliche applied to each other them was funny. I just like it. A lot.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Dolash posted:

Ba-dump tsh!

I couldn't resist.

Dolash posted:

They did a pretty good job of muddying the whole situation up. The way Charlotte encouraged him to stay and definitely had some inappropriate feelings for him, she didn't know what she wanted either. Bojack turned Penny down every time but there was definitely some transference for Bojack from Charlotte to her daughter - at first I was sure they must be messing with us and Charlotte must have misinterpreted, like Penny was just there to talk, like not even Bojack could cross that line. The stuff with Penny's friends and the alcohol was really, really bad and almost seemed to be there just to cut through the ambiguity around his interactions with Charlotte and Penny to remind us in no uncertain terms that Bojack's just broken, awful and selfish.


Episode 11:
As usual, it seems like the show continues to revolve around the notion that nobody really has their head on straight, and everyone has bad decisions/thoughts happening to them. How they deal with that mostly seems to be ignoring the issue and involving themselves in false drama just for the purpose of distracting themselves from the emptiness that they feel inside. Diane's crusade against Harry was all about her feeling unimportant, for example.

Unrelated, but this quote will never stop being relevant.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Rolo posted:

Yeah I know that, I just didn't realize they actually got him to do it and not just some voice actor.

Radcliffe is set for life on residuals. There is no factor other than 'I want do?' when it comes to securing him.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Hey can I have your av when someone invariably buys you an ARTA?

Are you using ARTA to mean A Red Text Avatar? I suppose as time approaches infinity the chances of anyone being the target of a spiteful, if witless tantrum approaches one, so it makes sense.

I made this AV myself and it's pretty terrible and mistimed, but if you want it that bad just send me an AV gift certificate and you can have it. That'll save us both time and hassle.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Escobarbarian posted:

Finished ep 10 and was googling to remember who Charlotte was (it's been a little while since I saw the funeral episode okay) and the biggest freaking spoiler (BoJack hooks up with her daughter) shows up literally on the Google page in one of the snippets of webpage text. gently caress EVERYTHING

You should have asked here instead. You have none to blame but yourself.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

The Time Dissolver posted:

Can't wait for next season's Very Special Episode that takes on minstrelsy by trashing fursuiters.

Would furries even develop as a culture when you can literally go out and have sex with an animal person?
Nobody even really seems to care about it either. Besides Bojack, but that was a competition ting with Diane.

Look! Non-porn fanart.



Also, is this a crossover episode?

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

TOM HANKS posted:

Do you happen to know who made this? It's really cool.

Steer yourself right over here. http://kevin-clifford.tumblr.com/

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Iron Crowned posted:

The downside of having the polyphonic Horsin' Around theme as my ringtone means everyone BoJack's phone rings I have to check my phone.

Where did you get it from? I need this ringtone.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Natalya Fartz posted:

Also a bunch of small things I want to make avatars out of.

Some of them have to be from Episode 6. You know, the music video.

I wish they'd release the full thing, not just clips.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Y-Hat posted:

You know this season piled the dark poo poo high when this doesn't even crack the list of bleak things.


Go look at this video

youtube.com/watch?v=k3MKSqUTr-A


Nothing is more soothing than 'Crack an egg on your head, feel the yolk drip down.'

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

twistedmentat posted:


Hell, they could turn the tables and have Mr Peanutbutter......


...get drunk and sleep with Bojack.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

"What is this, a crossover episode?"

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Baron Corbyn posted:

I want an album of full versions of all the original songs especially Get That Fetus and Generic 80s/90s/07 song

Get your uterus turn't!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MKSqUTr-A

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
After all that Bojack's been through, the ending of this season was a nice :unsmith: moment. I feel like he's turning it around. It isn't much, but when you're that deep...

Also, that shot from Diane's POV was...unsettling.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

boner confessor posted:

i think it was necessary to explain why beatrice was such an awful mother. she ended up with butterscotch and bojack because she wanted to piss off her father, she wanted to piss off her father because he purposely caused his mother to be brain damaged. her childhood was all about having her life controlled by men's needs and desires, as well as watching her mother suffer the same burden. she ends up making a lovely impulsive decision which ensures the rest of her life would end up being in that exact same spot - forever arguing with her husband she hates and son she resents. you can see this in the little fantasy of bohemian freedom she and butterscotch spin up before they move to san francisco and it turns out they can't hack it. after that she uses her intelligence and capacity for language to just take out her anger at being trapped on the rest of the world. bojack definitely takes after his mother in this way, if his father was a lovely poser for an author


Beatrice discussion

It is ironic that her father would actually set her up, inadvertently, with a suitor that might actually suit her. Corbin Creamerman didn't get a lot of time with us, but he wasn't a massive rear end in a top hat like her father. He shared in common a sense of paternal oppression and a desire for progress, albeit more in a science/business sense that Beatrice's more socially progressive mores. It seemed like it might be a really good pairing - but of course she rebelled at exactly the wrong moment. Irony.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

zoux posted:

I didn't love it, compared to the other two Ripped from the Headlines episodes. I'm as anti-gun as they come but I did find interesting the perspective of a woman feeling "as safe as a man" because of the power she feels a gun gets her, and honestly I think it makes a strong argument for why a woman would be attracted to gun ownership. The "Thoughts and Prayers" stuff is a bit overdone as a joke already so it didn't feel that groundbreaking. And it didn't have the singular HOLY poo poo moment like Get Dat Fetus, Kill Dat Fetus that makes you go "jesus that took some loving balls" and lift up the rest of the episode as a result.

I didn't hate it, it was funny, but I feel like the Hollywood-elites-don't-empathize-with-normal-folks theme has been done to death in other shows, so it didn't feel as fresh to me.

Thoughts and Prayers was obviously not about gun control, a stupid and ineffectual policy that would never make for a good storyline. It was instead (and I'm glad you brought up 'Get Dat Fetus') about female empowerment. Just as was GDTKTF was about taking control of one's own reproductive functions, TaP was about asserting control and taking an active rather than a passive role in society. It runs parallel to Beatrice's plotline about her failed attempts to assert control over her own life, in a lot of ways, and how THE PATRIARCHY! will go to any length to retain control over women and their bodies through legal, social, and emotional means. It traded a bit of humor for thought-provoking reflection on the state of society and the complex relationships we have with power, gender, and technology as a mean to equality.

It also had a 'manspreading' possum.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Did fanart and gifs become legal now?

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

ninjewtsu posted:

if you're not familiar with that bit of medical history, joseph sugarman comes off as being ridiculously malicious in a way totally devoid of being something an actual human would reasonably do. which makes him feel like, uh, a cartoon character. thus, it feels cartoony.

Do you even watch the show? Joseph Sugarman is a horse.



Not a human.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

D.N. Nation posted:

Much like how his aggressively positive outlook in S2 ended up with him nearing statutory rape.

This is like the sixth time I've seen someone read that situation in a way that paints Bojack as a wannabe rapist and I think it's weird.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

boner confessor posted:

bojack made alcohol available to a teenager

Penny's friends showed up with red bull and vodka, which turned out to be pointless because she didn't even drink.

This kind of lazy inattention to detail, shared by previous posts, makes it even more stupid. I think one poster even claimed Bojack got her drunk.

No Wave posted:

Do you know what statutory rape is? It might clarify why people are saying it and how it's not an adventurous reading.

I'm aware, but it's precisely the opposite of an 'adventurous' reading because it's so shallow and pat. 'Bojack is hosed up, rapists are hosed up, no further thinking required.'

Simplifying that episode to 'Bojack is a predatory rapist' misses the entire point (plus it's a concept that's been done to death) of it, which is to point out the depths of pathetic passive cowardice he's sunk to the level of that he'd allow Penny to make a terrible decision.

You literally lose the meat and more interesting concepts the episode explores with such a shallow reading.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Brah, don't have sex with a 17-year-old.

Don't project your own barely constrained urges on me.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
Let me go ahead and clarify that I feel Bojack was in the moral wrong, as he usually is up until the latest season.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
As it turns out consent is a nuanced concept. Who knew.

Let's not have a discussion about character development, how art reflects the complexity of society, or anything complex though. Let's just refuse to engage on anything except in the simplest terms and attack anyone that challenges us.

I like when the chubby horse man falls down.

LeJackal fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Sep 19, 2017

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

TenCentFang posted:

I still don't think that's actually the case for most people who know what lobotomies are in the first place, and even if they didn't, context clues, man.

Plus this thread demonstrates that for those not in the historical know, the episode provides a good motivator to find out more. I bet a lot of people that otherwise never would have learned about the topic are now much better informed.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Calaveron posted:

I miss the Mr. Peanutbutter/Bojack interactions but where can they go from them making out at the end of that episode of That Hollywoo Stars Trivia Show That Has A Really Long Title I Can't Recall, Let's Find Out

Obviously the best place for them to go is out on a date.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I'm listening to the Bojack Horseman soundtrack and the theme song to Mr. Peanutbutter's house gave me a powerful 90's flashback.

I liked it so much that I made it my ringtone. It's pretty rad. :cool:

Bojack's theme is really powerful in full, but Sea of Dreams might be the best for riding around at night.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

mobby_6kl posted:

Speaking of bestiality. When I was trying to get my parents to watch Bojack, my dad just went completely :gonk: when he realized Mr PB and Diane were a couple. And that wasn't even when they were actually loving this season, but somewhere in S1.

There is an entire segment in the first episode about how Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter are having sex. It's right there, part of their character introductions.

And does it count as bestiality when the animal people are talking and have citizenship and are fully capable of consent and are lawyers and governors and police officers and executives and so on?

LeJackal fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 30, 2017

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

GPTribefan posted:

Now we'll never see Miss Taken :(

Did you notice that the big 'vato' pittie from Secretariat was also in Miss Taken? I hope that poor handsome pibble got paid his share of kibble!

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Shima Honnou posted:

I've never had a pet that wasn't named something that could just be a regular person name.

Mister Peanutbuttet is a regular person name though. :confused:

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Shbobdb posted:

You already ruined the animation thread with this poo poo. Do you have to do it here too?

I'm sorry that my ability to remember things ruins your enjoyment of media.

Let me show you -

Here is the scene from the filming of Secretariat where he's teaching vatos about the importance of algebra.

Here he's just a side character, but its possible that he has lines in a scene we didn't see. Note the bicolor steel gray with white crest. The tattoos, particularly 'Beware of Me' are amusing and useful for identification.

Then we see the test shots from Ms. Taken.

Its the same guy!

So I have to wonder if he's another character actor typecast into 'Latino macho dude/thug' like we have with some of our actors like Raymond Cruz or Danny Trejo or Michael Mando. Even though the movie got shelved does he still get paid at least his daily scale? It makes you think about the logistics of Holywoo.....

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

twistedmentat posted:

Mr Peanutbutter would be a better choice to have involved with a Hollywoo scandal because he's "so what lets be happy!" attitude towards everything would fit in with how many of these guys seem to act, like whats the big deal that I showed her my penis?

I sort of doubt Mr. Peanutbutter would do that sort of thing. He's a real pushover and sweet guy and that would tarnish him and he's like my favorite despite his flaws.

counterfeitsaint posted:

Oh poo poo, Penny is gonna come forward with what happened and Bojack will be like "Please that was years ago."

Well that would be a reversal in the current trend, certainly.

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LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

SEX BURRITO posted:

Mr PB has a dangerous combination of getting carried away with things, and also occasionally losing his temper pretty badly. I could see him getting accused of something inappropriate.

He did do pretty well with that crazy angry fight sex this last season, that is pretty true.

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