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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Pellisworth posted:

The satire of the Hollywood "biz" is really good, tho I dunno how amusing it would be or well it would resonate if you haven't lived in LA or don't follow celebrity pop culture a lot?

I live in the UK and I got most of it (absolutely no idea what Spring Breakers is though) but I don't think I've had enough exposure to some of things people are complaining about here to immediately find them tired.

I liked the entire season all the way through, even the more obvious moments like the animal sight gags. Generally I'm none too harsh on series' that stay consistent and flow nicely, which this definitely did. For comparison, since it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I thought the Seahorse Seashell Party episode of Family Guy was absolute garbage of the highest order - Meg's rant sounds like a checklist of points they forgot they were supposed to turn into actual dialogue before recording and is just intercut with Peter making gags like the writers weren't able to so much as conceptualise the possibility that drama and comedy can be blended together even one iota; the whole thing is just awful on every level. Same with the episode where Joe's son turns back up after deserting the army. Bojack held itself together nicely and had a decent cast who get to bicker a lot about their lovely lives; I'd have probably been happy with that even without moments like Vincent Adultman.

Also, Neal McBeal made me wince every time he spoke. It can't be healthy to make your voice sound like that.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


My favourite animal moment was when Mr Peanutbutter opened the trunk full of tennis balls and while still talking to Diane, just for a brief moment, looks at the tennis balls and goes 'oo!'

I'm glad this got picked up for a second season, but I'm definitely wary about how many it can go on for without treading water. I think it needs to be judged on a season-by-season basis, see what they set up for the next one and whether it seems like they can keep the momentum going.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


DaWolfey posted:

I went into this show knowing nothing, it just popped up on Netflix and I wanted to watch something short and light. I really enjoyed it and I am very pleased I got past the first few episodes, allowing time for the characters to gain depth and a story to unfold - far more than the "oh it's just going to be a bunch of animal sight gags and some losers getting into scrapes every week" I thought it was going to remain after the first few episodes.

This is one of the things I'm really loving about Netflix's own shows, as the fact they dump every episode online at once means you don't get the same bullshit that kills shows on television - weekly pacing isn't going to kill viewing figures due to enforced pacing, network execs can't diddle the scheduling to screw with the show and if anyone starts a series but doesn't think it's going anywhere, they'll have the people who went ahead of them saying "no no, they totally address those issues, stick with it!"

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I had no idea about the Christmas special, so many thanks for mentioning it.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Chakron posted:

Netflix sent an email about it to anyone who watched the series. Either you have those promo emails turned off or something went weird.

It was the first thing that appeared when I logged in to my Netflix app, so I assumed anyone who watched Bojack would see it that way? :shrug: Apparently not.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


IRQ posted:

Is it just me or is Netflix's release schedule pretty quick for some things? It seems like this and Trailer Park Boys just had their seasons, yet TPB is out next week and this is out in a couple months?

e: wait, this came out last august? Feels like it hasn't been that long.

Trailer Park Boys is still going? I haven't watched it in years.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


New season is up and I'm away from any device that can play it for the whole weekend. :cripes:

But I'm off on Monday, so guess what I'll be doing!

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


nooneofconsequence posted:

This season I finally understood the hand sign that Sarah Lynn does.

Speaking of the episode where they reunite the Horsin' Around cast, did anyone else find it incredibly disappointing? All we get is some sort of mystery, followed by them solving the mystery and not a whole lot else. It hints at some interesting character development, but nothing comes of it. Princess Carolyn's bit was pretty funny, though.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Vincent was funny, but there wasn't a lot left to do with the character. Leaving him as a one season character was wise.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


A lot of people noted that Todd didn't really develop at all in season two; I really hope they listened to that particular criticism.

Anyhoo, I have a train journey ahead of me, so imma start season two again. I haven't watched it since it first came out!

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I've got three episodes left on my rewatch of season two, so I should have time for that then at least one episode of season three this evening. Good times.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Power of Pecota posted:

Or a peace sign in the UK/Australia.

Not quite; the peace sign is two fingers up with the palm facing outwards. Flip the hand around so your palm is facing inwards - now you've got an offensive hand gesture.

Quick thoughts on the season then:

Episode 3 - the end really spoke to me, when Cuddlywhiskers says it takes a long time to realize how unhappy you are, and even longer to realize it doesn't have to be that way. I've got through that first bit I think, but the second is a touch more elusive. The simplicity of his life, of just dropping all that garbage and going somewhere to be content in yourself, seemed real nice though.

Episode 4 - didn't really care for this one. The premise is great, which is why I'm so baffled that most of it was devoted to some bizarre slapstick sequence involving a baby. I didn't understand at all how it was supposed to tie in to Bojack working out how to open up to Kelsey. It wasn't bad, but whatever meaning they were going for was completely lost on me.

In regards to where the series can go from here, I don't think it has to end with Bojack dying. Assuming he connects with his daughter, I think the best possible way it can end for him is realizing that he doesn't need to be a famous star, or to have lots of friends or really anything going on his life at all - he should just fade into the background, living a regular life and just being there for his daughter. You know, just being a regular-rear end person. His dream in season one of living with Charlotte involved just that.

When he goes to see Charlotte in season two, it is ruined in part by him NOT being the father figure, just a friend. If Charlotte's husband wasn't present, he probably could have inserted himself into that life, Penny would have seen him as a father figure rather than sexually and he wouldn't have had this impossible tension with Charlotte that he ruined in the worst way possible. We've already seen his happy ending, and how his current life makes it impossible. He just needs to take Cuddlywhiskers' advice and learn that it doesn't have to be that way.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


coyo7e posted:

I think that the baby was very much the point, and it left BoJack in a surreal headspace in a situation where he really couldn't communicate with anybody other than himself. The whole time I felt like the baby thing was saying "can you grow up BoJack? Do you want to? Do you actually care about a living being who's done nothing bad to nobody, ever?" and the answer was "yes" to most of those. It also prepped him for the end of the season finale, when he realized he really couldn't bring himself to harm another innocent kid - at least from his point of view.


I suppose, but I still think it got lost in the complete wackiness of the episode. Like it was so nonsensical that there was no clear connection in the episode itself to any of the issues the series was focusing on, and it's not like it was brought up again in any other episodes; the concept is straight out of a dumb family comedy, but with no subversion of the idea other than it being underwater.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Vincent Adultman was a great one season joke that really shouldn't be resurrected outside of, like, the two second clip in season two where he okays one of Todd and Mr Peanutbutter's dumb plans (I thought the Kevin episode ruined the joke), but a brief appearance in a flash forward where he's the size of three adults on top of one another would be pretty funny.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Data Graham posted:

:thejoke: being that those are the same things.

The mouse guy even says as such at the time.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I don't think you can really call Bojack McFarlane-esque, which is really defined by its scathing hatred of anyone who isn't like Seth Macfarlane.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


The message throughout Bojack has been the toxicity of celebrity culture and how happy people are when they leave it behind for a simpler, more humble life. He will find some form of peace by doing the same.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I did say humble; he needs to change as a person too, not just step away from celebrity, but it's all interlinked.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


He's cool as poo poo in A Series of Unfortunate Events, too.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


CoolCab posted:

The second (Lootcrate, I assume) exploits the fact the human brain is broken when it comes to gambling and calculating the cost of subscriptions.

Lootcrate is a way of throwing money down the toilet on gaudy, worthless tat that grown adults are supposed to look at for a minute and say 'huh, that's cute' before going and spending their time and money on things with any use or worth whatsoever (or even the not exactly difficult goal of occupying your time for longer than it takes you to open a box and examine the contents), because they're grown human beings who are supposed to have the smallest modicum of self control and perspective on their purchasing decisions.

I mean it's not even nice stuff you can hang on your wall or put on a shelf to make the room nicer, it's just the cheapest poo poo that you glance at for a second then throw in a cupboard.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jun 5, 2017

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


There is a whole grey area between being just fine with humans boning manimals and being a sleazy, unkempt cave troll with one hand permanently in his pants, relax dude.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I'm going to watch the season anyway, so reading reviews seems incredibly redundant.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Just finished episode four.

Boy, they got a bit graphic there, didn't they.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Okay, season done. I appreciate that they pulled back hard from the first three seasons and went smaller and more personal again; episode eleven was brutal, but in a different way, and the final episode ended in a really nice way.

Bits that hit home in particular?

Episode nine: "That cartoon cat is right, if you just pull yourself up and look to the futur- oh. Oh right. :("

Episode twelve: When I rewatched season three I thought they were playing up Diane being a tiresome dork too much, so I don't think I've felt as completely and totally crushed about my life as I did realising how much like her I actually am.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


AlternateNu posted:

And I didn't find the lobotomy to be that unrealistic.

If anyone thought that was even remotely unrealistic then they need to listen to The Dollop podcast episode about it. It's a hilarious episode, but the facts and history are horrifying, especially the absolute blazé treatment of it.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I knew I knew that voice in the advert, couldn't pin it down though, thanks!

I really hope PB goes back to Ralph, not every promising relationship in this show has to tank.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Seriously, look at this poo poo: have a short, harrowing read or a long, hilarious listen. This was within living memory.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


PB isn't depressed, he's the series' likeable stand-in for thoughtless privilege. He treats life as a series of distractions because he is privileged enough to not have any real problems to think about, so he doesn't know how to deal with them when he can't avoid them, like an unhappy wife or a sick brother. That's his 'serious' role in the series, and is otherwise just some good comic relief and a vehicle for various plot points.

Edit: Specifically a thoughtless lack of depression is his flavour of privilege.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 12, 2017

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I like the tune, but I'm the kind of person who doesn't really take in lyrics properly, like I process the lines individually pretty much as just another sound in the music rather than coherent connected statements you're supposed to pay attention to. One of my favourite songs is Don't Stop Me Now, in part because it's just a bunch of individually cool lines one after another.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


It's just a funny dog name, Jesus loving Christ :cripes:

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Laterite posted:

I don't know how anyone could have watched Season 4 and not realize Peanutbutter is at least as broken as Bojack.

Because flawed and broken are not even remotely the same thing.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Game Grumps also did a pretty good drawing series for a while called Doodle Doods, even if you don't care about their other content it's worth a look.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I like that a major cast member and his axolotl maybe-girlfriend are fellow non-sex havers, I hope they have lots of fun adventures together.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I don't know what you want from me, Motherfucker, I had sex a few times and each time just kind of lost interest partway through, then never felt compelled to pursue it again; some people just have a super low libido, I can't imagine what you find so threatening about that.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Feb 22, 2018

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


No medication, decent social life, plenty of confidence to meet new people. And I'll have you know I always finish what I start. :colbert: Because I'm not a giant arsehole, you see.

Becoming more self confident didn't make me more sexually active, it just made me more confident to accept myself for who I am and not pursue things that I didn't care about doing. Why you find that so aggressively hateful is beyond me, but it's a bit loving rich for you to be saying that I'm the one who needs therapy.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I'll agree with you on the point of not hanging your identity on a term, for sure; IRL I don't come across any differently to anyone else, but if people start pressing me on relationships and hooking up I just brush it off by saying I'm not fussed about it rather than going 'umm, ACTUALLY :colbert:', because it just opens a can of worms for no good reason. Obviously on a dead gay Internet forum I don't care half as much.

I'm not sure what medication you think is supposed to 'help' though; I don't have a problem with arousal, or socialising with potential partners, there's just no interest in combining those things, and it's not like I haven't tried.

Apologies for talking about my junk so much.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Feb 22, 2018

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Motherfucker posted:

You're right, I should just get drunk and let the future slowly engulf me like the waves of a melting polar icecap.

That's the spirit

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Senor Tron posted:

With series like Star Trek, there are some fans who aren't bothered by continuity issues like changing alien makeup or obviously fake special effects because they rationalize it as we are effectively seeing a stage show of the "real events".

The gently caress is wrong with these people.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Astroman posted:

To be fair, stuff like classic Doctor or Dark Shadows works a lot better if you look at it like a play. Not necessarily the part that it's real though.

This is the bit that confuses me. It's already a staging of pretend happenings, that's literally what fiction is as a concept. This idea of it being a staged production of a staged production of a thing is just bizarre.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Dumbledore being gay was literally just Rowling trying to seem inclusive after the fact when she was called out on it, same with "well I never said that Hermione wasn't black". She is a typical middle class liberal, making inclusive sounds when it's easy without doing the actual spade work, while going on about aspiration and hard work and dogwhistling about the poor when she literally used state welfare to find the time to write the first book with no expectation that it would become the insane mega-hit that it did. She is a two-faced, ladder-pulling piece of poo poo, so gently caress giving her any benefit of the doubt.

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