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StarkRavingMad posted:I have seen some terrible RAWs but rarely one that had no redeeming moments the whole way through Damien Mizdow.
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NickRoweFillea posted:did john cena honestly need the rub of obliterating the wyatts Yes he did. He needed to change up his game and beast up in the way he promised to going into Summerslam. He looked reckless and dominant and it adds stakes to a match against a sneering tyrant who destroyed him utterly.
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Like, I'm sure John Cena is a swell guy (actually I don't, I fear his inability to behave like a basic human outside of a wrestling context), but it's kind of sad that WWE will never get out of the hole it's in until he's permanently injured or dies in the ring.
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Regardless of my personal feelings regarding the Wyatt's, that was terrible because the whole point was to make this a new, stronger Cena and all it did was have him re-squash a trio of dudes he just recently squashed. Cena redoing something he's already done does absolutely nothing to show that he is an improved John Cena.
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DeathChicken posted:Like, I'm sure John Cena is a swell guy (actually I don't, I fear his inability to behave like a basic human outside of a wrestling context), but it's kind of sad that WWE will never get out of the hole it's in until he's permanently injured or dies in the ring.
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Omally posted:this is true but he is also accountable for a huge percentage of earnings How much of this is because they have done very little to create other stars besides him? If they were actually competent at creating new stars, they wouldn't have had to rely on Cena this long.
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Omally posted:this is true but he is also accountable for a huge percentage of earnings if john cena wasn't around, wwe would push other people and one, two or even three of them would be allowed to be appeal to kids like he does and make them money
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BodyMassageMachine posted:How much of this is because they have done very little to create other stars besides him? If they were actually competent at creating new stars, they wouldn't have had to rely on Cena this long. Seriously. A lot of it has to do with just not bothering to have multiple contenders at once anymore. I'm not sure who made that call, but it sucks.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Yeah, but that's not a contrary opinion. So you're obviously wrong. He's not wrong. I just got no emotional stake in Wyatt. Cena needed a dominant win and it can't be to the modern equivalent to the mean street posse.
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Aug 26, 2014 04:19
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What could have been interesting is if he took out everyone in the ring. All the Wyatts and then his tag team. Then I might believe OK this is a different Cena, a man who will become a monster to kill another monster.
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Spikeguy posted:What could have been interesting is if he took out everyone in the ring. All the Wyatts and then his tag team. Then I might believe OK this is a different Cena, a man who will become a monster to kill another monster. That woulda been sweet. Except I like Henry too much to let that happen.
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Aug 26, 2014 04:21
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They should start a new Monday Night War with WWE vs it's fans that dump money into their stupid rear end product. Who needs WCW as competition when the booking staff does more damage to the WWE than WCW ever did?
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projecthalaxy posted:Was HHH in 2003 ever this bad? No he was not John Cena is the worst superman in wrestling Even when  was ing it up to the point where he brought a literal chair to the ring to sit down and promo for 20 minutes to start RAW he was still putting on tons of ****+ matches and being compelling, instead of "take beating -> AA -> no-sell" and made Batista (and Orton really).Honestly, ending the brand split has been really, really bad for them creatively. Edge would not exist in a world with no brand split, because he would never be allowed to carry his own show the way he did on SmackDown!. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Spikeguy posted:What could have been interesting is if he took out everyone in the ring. All the Wyatts and then his tag team. Then I might believe OK this is a different Cena, a man who will become a monster to kill another monster. can't get rid of the lil jimmies and their sweet sweet merch money
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Yes he did. He needed to change up his game and beast up in the way he promised to going into Summerslam. He looked reckless and dominant and it adds stakes to a match against a sneering tyrant who destroyed him utterly. As long as it leads to Cena being destroyed again regardless, then fine, otherwise it was stupid.
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Wish this show died in the womb.
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edit: this would be better in the weekly WWE thread.
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Retail Slave posted:2) Is Mickie James still an active wrestler? What I wouldn't give to have Paige bring her in, storyline-wise, and have her and AJ try to out-crazy each other every week. But this won't happen, because WWE hasn't given a poo poo about any woman not named Stephanie McMahon since Trish Stratus retired. And James is heavily pregnant
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Retail Slave posted:Is Mickie James still an active wrestler? What I wouldn't give to have Paige bring her in, storyline-wise, and have her and AJ try to out-crazy each other every week. But this won't happen, because WWE hasn't given a poo poo about any woman not named Stephanie McMahon since Trish Stratus retired. Bringing in Mickie and Trish for managerial/advisory roles on dealing with this feud would be pretty great.
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Bigass Moth posted:HHH's reign of terror made me tune out for nearly a decade. Made me tune out too, but only until around late 2006-ish. To be fair, I just started watching again after a hiatus through 2012 to this year's Rumble because I was tired of RAPADO!
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Triple H put over the loving Brooklyn Brawler somewhere in there. Let's see Cena put over Sandow...oh.
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Everblight posted:Theoretically Mickie is still active and with TNA (but pregnant). I didn't know this because I have never given a poo poo about TNA, ever. But congrats to her.
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They could actually pull off this Cena thing if they ever bothered to make more than 3-4 guys at a time actually mean something. As it is, they hardly push anyone at all and because that group is so small, they don't want to feed those people to Cena, so they feed him the rest of the roster, only the rest of the roster is so conditioned to look like middling poo poo that when Cena destroys them it's met with a "okay, that was supposed to happen so what's the point" response. Everyone is either Superman or a complete joke and you can't make strong people look stronger when that's the case.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Damien Mizdow. I forgot about that. That was pretty good. Next week let him come out as Jhon Cendow and bury the Wyatts and the rest of the whole roster, why not. I'm down with that.
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Everblight posted:Even when Gonna have to ask you to back this up because IMO Cena is ten times the big match wrestler HHH is. It would be interesting to compare HHH's 2003 to Cena's 2014, I don't think this year has been great for Cena but surely he's had more good matches than 2003 HHH? Spermgod fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Aug 26, 2014 05:53
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Mizdow, Uso/Dust, SlaterGater/Matadores all coulda been good or better if they weren't so SHORT god drat they rushed through everything.
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That really did feel like a hundred segments out there. The eulogy should have been longer, because it was the best thing on the show.
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It's weird how they have 3 hours and still feel packed. Like, cut out a couple recap segments or at least edit them down instead of showing the whole segment at the top of the hour. One reason ratings used to be so much higher is because people felt like they missed something if they didn't tune in.
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sticklefifer posted:It's weird how they have 3 hours and still feel packed. Like, cut out a couple recap segments or at least edit them down instead of showing the whole segment at the top of the hour. One reason ratings used to be so much higher is because people felt like they missed something if they didn't tune in. Close to a 1/3rd of the 3 hour show is recaps, commercials and shilling. It's really annoying.
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The alternative is to be Impact, where nothing is talked about or shown after it happens, and doesn't seem to matter. The problem isn't the recaps. It's that everything else sucks.
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I'm watch the Hulu version and did Raw really start with HBK, Hogan and Flair sitting in the ring behind an announcer table for 10 minutes?
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Call Me Charlie posted:I'm watch the Hulu version and did Raw really start with HBK, Hogan and Flair sitting in the ring behind an announcer table for 10 minutes? Yes, and it was bad like the rest of the show.
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Auron posted:Yes, and it was bad like the rest of the show. Yeah, I got a laugh out of JBL burying Swagger as he's suppose to be the good guy who never gives up. WWE has completely lost the plot.
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Call Me Charlie posted:I'm watch the Hulu version and did Raw really start with HBK, Hogan and Flair sitting in the ring behind an announcer table for 10 minutes? THey talked about Cena needing to overcome some odds, then he came out and also talked about it. It was a completely pointless and unnecessary segment. It may have made sense if he wasn't in the building and was still selling his beatdown, but he came out like nothing happened and got all serious.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkSjAcxmus
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Everblight posted:Even when HHH didn't have any good matches in 03 I can remember outside of the Elimination Chamber. Granted he faced Steiner and Nash half the year, but still. Anything to do with him that year was too long and usually bad.
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Here's a recap of the hulu version for anybody who's curious. Old guys talking in the ring. Serious Cena promo. JBL burying Swagger for being a loser. Sheamus burying Cesaro for being a chump as he beats RVD. Dean Ambrose wake with a Reigns run in. Dust Brothers apparently turning heel? Countout ending, post match beatdown. Lesnar promo. Lawler trying to help out the Bellas program with Brie crawling on her hands and knees looking like a chump while Nikki went Big Boss Man level heel. Kane/Rollins vs Reigns handicap match. DQ ending, post match beatdown. Wyatt promo. John Cena, 100% a-ok, vs Bray Wyatt. Wyatt looks like a complete chump. DQ ending, post match brawl with Henry/Big Show. Impromptu six man tag match. Wyatts vs Faces. And I guess Cena destroyed the Wyatt Family but I fast forwarded. RAPADOO. Cena poses in the ring and looks like he didn't even fight Brock as Wyatt has to get helped to the back. That was considered the best of Raw.
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So they cut Bo and Damien Mizdow, you know, the only redeemable parts of RAW.
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