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kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy


:siren::siren::siren:BLANKET NWS WARNING: EVERY VIDEO IS FILLED WITH BLOOD, VIOLENCE, RAMPAGING, TITS, VIOLENCE, BRUTALITY, QUASI-GUTS, AND DID I MENTION LOTS AND LOTS OF VIOLENCE? DON'T WATCH THIS AT PLACES WHERE YOU'D GET IN TROUBLE FOR LOOKING AT STUFF LIKE PORN OR R RATED MOVIES.:siren::siren::siren:

I love Greek mythology.
Seriously, Greek mythology is crazy and amazing. Ask me about the time Dionysus turned an entire ship of pirates into dolphins. Ask me about the time that Perseus killed Medusa just to keep some dude from marrying his mom. Ask me about the time Poseidon had horse sex with his sister. Greek mythology is filled with all sorts of stupid, insane poo poo like this, and nobody cared if it contradicted each other. I'm always on the lookout to learn about new stuff about Greek mythology, to the point where I wish there was a college around me that taught it so I could take that class and only that class. I own books (as in multiple) on the subject, and have several bookmarks in my web browser to Greek mythology sites.

I love God of War.
Seriously, I love this entire series. I've beat every game in the series on the second hardest difficulty at the very least. I've learned the fighting mechanics pretty thoroughly. I know it has a bunch of QTEs and it's kind of repetitive and that it's really skewed towards having the default weapon be the best one, but I don't really care. God of War made me fall in love with action-packed hack-and-slash games such as Metal Gear Rising and Lollipop Chainsaw, and it will always have a special place in my heart. A special, violent, tit-filled place that could probably get ripped out with a few button presses.

Class is now in session.
So God of War is a game heavily steeped in Greek mythology. I've established I love both of these things. What does this mean for you? It means I'm gonna learn you some education. Every video I will try (key word try) to find a relevant subject to talk about. If I can't find something relevant, I'll just go into my deep knowledge of Greek mythology and talk about something that never really comes up in the God of War series (like Arachne, or Echo and Narcissus). This entire LP is just basically one big, multi-month long excuse to sperg out about Greek mythology. I'll also be talking about game mechanics, as this game is MUCH deeper in its fighting mechanics than any other game I've LPed.

:ducksiren::ducksiren::ducksiren:SPOILER ALERT: ORANGE:ducksiren::ducksiren::ducksiren:
Spoiler tagged discussion about this game is fine, but please try to reign in talks about the future games. I'm going to eventually get to those, and unlike Ratchet and Clank, I'm going to be playing these games in release order. However, discussions about Greek mythology should flow freely, even if it's something I won't touch on until God of War 3. Don't be afraid to talk about common elements like Hercules / Heracles, or really obscure elements like the Hecatonchires. Try to tell me stories I haven't heard already!

Episode 1: Hydra ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 2: Medusa ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 3: Cyclops ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 4: Minotaur ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 5: Kronos ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 6: Spartans ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 7: Cerberus ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 8: Centaurs ... Episode ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 9: Arachne ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 10: Satyrs ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 11: Harpies ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 12: Roman Gods ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 13: Greek Tragedy ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted
Episode 14: Ares ... Cut ... Polsy ... Uncut ... Polsy ... Hosted

BONUS VIDEOS

Challenge of the Gods ... Youtube ... Polsy
Costume Quest of War ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 1 - The Making of God of War ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 2 - Trailer 1 ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 3 - Trailer 2 ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 4 - Deleted Levels ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 5 - Heroic Possibilities ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 6 - Visions of Ancient Greece ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 7 - Monsters of Myth ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 8 - The Birth of the Beast ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 9 - Character Graveyard ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 10 - A Secret Revealed ... Youtube ... Polsy
Bonus 11 - The Fate of the Titan ... Youtube ... Polsy

kalonZombie fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Dec 22, 2014

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kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy
Characters


Kratos is our main man. He's very very angry and will kill you for pretty much any reason, including that you are full of delicious, life-giving orbs.


Athena is the Goddess of Wisdom. She's tasked us with doing the impossible... killing a God. Only then will Kratos be forgiven for being such an angry doofus.


Ares is a jerk. He's also a god. We also have to somehow murder him.


This gravedigger is weird and wacky and seems to know more than he lets on. What a weirdo! Stop being a weirdo.


The Oracle of Athens is an avid shirt-hater. She told us how to murder Ares, which turns out to be getting Pandora's Box.


This guy doesn't really do much of importance, but the Caretaker is cool enough that I put him here.

Posts of interest

Skippy Granola explains Orpheus' quest to save his wife's soul.
Sleep of Bronze slams down some education on Kratos (the god not the murderman)
Sleep of Bronze at it again with some learning about the Spartans.
Great Joe explains the ties a guy made between the Trojan War and Iceland, of all places.
Dr. Buttass tells the tale of the Minotaur's origin in the most effective way.
Sleep of Bronze yet again with the Greeks, Gods, and hubris.
Sleep of Bronze continues to be thread MVP.
achillesforever6 talks about Diomedes in length.
Serperoth explains some ancient Greek annunciation.
Some bits about Poseidon and Odysseus from thread MVP Sleep of Bronze.
Pvt.Scott explains why hospitality is serious business back in the BCE times.
"You Musta Pissed The Gods Off" by Sleep of Bronze.
Night10194 talks a bit about Job from a rather interesting Bible/ Christianity derail the thread had (and I silently encouraged).
dotchan talks about the fall of the Greek pantheon.
Sleep of Bronze discusses why sacrifices were no biggie.
Bobbin Threadbare goes further into it.
Night10194 goes into how Christianity adopted things into its religion.
The Wizard of Oz further talks about the rise of Christianity.
Delta Green explains about more about Christianity and it's proselytizing.
Sleep of Bronze at it for the millionth loving time, talking about Kronos.
Night10194 talks about how human sacrifice was a no-no.
resurgam40 follows it up.

kalonZombie fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 20, 2014

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

"For your training, we will be slaughtering an actual mythical monster that was completely unique to one legend."

Smornstein
Nov 4, 2012
So is Kratos actually based on someone from Greek myth I've just never heard of or did they just make him up for the series?

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Smornstein posted:

So is Kratos actually based on someone from Greek myth I've just never heard of or did they just make him up for the series?

He's basically similar to Hercules at least for the first game, but that's about it. The God of War series has a pretty ludicrous body count when it comes to named/unique creatures from Greek myth; nobody "actually" from the original myths does anywhere near as much damage as Kratos does.

Skippy Granola
Sep 3, 2011

It's not what it looks like.
The dumb combo titles always get me. An 8 hit combo? That's inhuman! No man could hit a thing 8 times in succession!

I gotta say this game aged pretty well in terms of gameplay but I think that's more a function of a lack of innovation rather than God of War being super advanced.

Anyway y'all probably figured this out after the video but it was Lot's Wife in the bible who got turned into salt when she looked back at God (ironically) buttfucking Sodom and Gomorrah.

Orpheus made a deal with Hades to get back his girlfriend Eurydice from hell. Stories diverge a bunch, but the usual tale goes Orpheus was such a skilled musician that he could charm the birds from the sky etc etc. He ended up getting a hand from Aphrodite who, charmed by his talents, agreed to help him regain his lost love. Orpheus made the usual journey, through Tartarus, across the river Styx on Charon's raft, up to the throne of death itself.

"Gimme my girlfriend back," Orpheus demanded.

"Get hosed," Hades sneered.

"Oh yeah?" Orpheus said, and then he began to play.

Hades was so moved that he agreed to release Eurydice, but, being the god of death, he was loath to just give up a soul. "Okay, Orpheus, you can have yr lady back, but she's gonna stay a ghost until you get above ground. If you can make it all the way to the surface without looking back at her, she'll come back to life and you can go be fruity and multiply or whatever."

"No prob," Orpheus replied, and booked it for the surface.

Before too long he heard footsteps behind him. Though our hero ached to look into the face of his beloved, he remained resolute. On and on they climbed and, as daylight brightened the gloomy cavern far above them, he heard Eurydice trip and fall behind him.

"Oh no m'lady!" Orpheus cried, turning around to catch her. "Aw buttons," he said when he realized his mistake.

The last thing he saw was Eurydice, pulled backwards with incredible speed into the inky depths of the underworld.

And again the story diverges. He was either left to grow old alone and despondent, or got turned into a bird, or got sucked into hell with her, depending on the relative depression level of the person telling the story.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

Smornstein posted:

So is Kratos actually based on someone from Greek myth I've just never heard of or did they just make him up for the series?

Kratos is the god of strength, brother of Nike, goddess of victory. He doesn't really have any myths associated with him, which is why I suppose the developers decided to use his name.

Skippy Granola posted:

And again the story diverges. He was either left to grow old alone and despondent, or got turned into a bird, or got sucked into hell with her, depending on the relative depression level of the person telling the story.

I've also heard that since he dedicated himself to Eurydice, he swore to never have sex with another woman. As such, he invented gay sex. Oh, and another ending is that he got torn to shreds by maenads, mad women who follow Dionysus.

Smornstein
Nov 4, 2012

Skippy Granola posted:

Stories diverge a bunch, but the usual tale goes Orpheus was such a skilled musician that he could charm the birds from the sky etc etc.

I've heard that he was so great as music that he managed to charm Persephone, Hades' wife, to tears and she basically begged him to give Orpheus his girl back in exchange that she would stay in the underworld with him longer that year. I want to say there's at least one version of the tale that sets him as a bastard kid of Apollo and a mortal woman and his musical talents coming from his dad.

Robo Turnus
Jul 12, 2006

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
You guys forgot the part where Orpheus is so despondent after leaving his wife behind that he refuses to speak anymore, which eventually leads to his head getting torn off by some rampaging celebrants of Dionysis. Greek Mythology is pretty dope, and I'd recommend everyone pick up a copy of Ovid's Metamorphoses, which is where we get a lot of them from (even though Ovid was a love poet from Rome, he still loved tellin stories.)

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
When you were talking about the Hydra, I thought that you had pronounced immortal as immoral. Your pronounciation of Typhon was a bit odd as well though that might just be because I've never heard it pronounced that way before.

Otherwise, I enjoyed the Zorak-style Greek mythology lessons and am looking forward to more of this LP.

Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Aug 27, 2014

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Smornstein posted:

I've heard that he was so great as music that he managed to charm Persephone, Hades' wife, to tears and she basically begged him to give Orpheus his girl back in exchange that she would stay in the underworld with him longer that year. I want to say there's at least one version of the tale that sets him as a bastard kid of Apollo and a mortal woman and his musical talents coming from his dad.

I like the version where Orpheus is so great at music, he manages to charm Cerberus from turning him into a chew toy. Then he rides Cerberus into Hades' palace. :smug:

Hades is generally a cool god (in comparison to every other one) and it sucks most modern adaptions treat Hades as a big, dumb jerk.

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010
This game is pretty great, a few sections later on are very irritating but otherwise it's still a lot of fun.

Also, good drinking game: each time Kratos yells at the top of his lungs when speaking in an indoor voice would have been fine, take a shot.

Or each time he does something pointlessly, needlessly cruel or otherwise acts like an enormous rear end in a top hat, take a shot.

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy
Yeah that's something I never got about Hades. Out of the big three, he was easily the most laid back and chill. He had a job, was loyal to his wife (even if she didn't like him that much), and was pretty much content to let bygones be bygones most of the time. He was pretty reasonable, too, usually granting most requests that weren't out of hand (like lending Cerberus to Hercules for his final task). Most modern depictions show him as a bad guy, the baddest guy, because he rules Hell and therefore MUST be evil, right guys?

Spalec posted:

This game is pretty great, a few sections later on are very irritating but otherwise it's still a lot of fun.

Also, good drinking game: each time Kratos yells at the top of his lungs when speaking in an indoor voice would have been fine, take a shot.

Or each time he does something pointlessly, needlessly cruel or otherwise acts like an enormous rear end in a top hat, take a shot.

At this point you may as well be pumping the alcohol directly into your bloodstream.

VVV I was explaining it from the viewpoint of people who don't look too deep into these things. You die and your soul goes to the down place. That must be Hell. Hades must be the Devil expy then.

kalonZombie fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Aug 27, 2014

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010

kalonZombie posted:

Yeah that's something I never got about Hades. Out of the big three, he was easily the most laid back and chill. He had a job, was loyal to his wife (even if she didn't like him that much), and was pretty much content to let bygones be bygones most of the time. He was pretty reasonable, too, usually granting most requests that weren't out of hand (like lending Cerberus to Hercules for his final task). Most modern depictions show him as a bad guy, the baddest guy, because he rules Hell and therefore MUST be evil, right guys?

He doesn't rule Hell (as a Christian would think it) though does he? He rules Hades which is different to hell. Hades was where you went after you died to be judged and either went to Elysium (Heaven) or Tartarus which is closer to the Christian idea of hell (i.e. a place of eternal torment).

Hades himself was pretty neutral in loving around with the lives of mortals, certainly compared to Zeus who was a giant rear end in a top hat.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

^^^^^^ I believe Tartarus was reserved exclusively as a prison for immortals. In general, while the wicked weren't granted Elysium, nobody was punished unless they personally offended the gods like Sisyphus and Tantalus.

kalonZombie posted:

Yeah that's something I never got about Hades. Out of the big three, he was easily the most laid back and chill. He had a job, was loyal to his wife (even if she didn't like him that much), and was pretty much content to let bygones be bygones most of the time. He was pretty reasonable, too, usually granting most requests that weren't out of hand (like lending Cerberus to Hercules for his final task). Most modern depictions show him as a bad guy, the baddest guy, because he rules Hell and therefore MUST be evil, right guys?

You know something funny? Hades' kidnapping of Persephone was the model for ancient Greek weddings. According to what I've heard, the husband would stage a mock kidnapping of his own wife when taking her to his abode. In addition, it was reasonably common for uncles to marry their nieces, which is Hades and Persephone's relationship.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Spalec posted:

Or each time he does something pointlessly, needlessly cruel or otherwise acts like an enormous rear end in a top hat, take a shot.

You do realize this is a series where one of your primary ways of regaining health is to find the nearest civilian and rip them in half, right?

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
So when you say future game, do you mean you'll be lping everything, or 1-3?

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy

Gensuki posted:

So when you say future game, do you mean you'll be lping everything, or 1-3?

Definitely at least Chains of Olypmus too. They reference it here and there in 3.

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010

kalonZombie posted:

Definitely at least Chains of Olypmus too. They reference it here and there in 3.

They tease Ghost of Sparta related stuff in 3 as well I seem to remember. It has some cool Greek Mythological characters too.

Speaking of Sparta, will you be talking about the city state of Sparta in your educational segments? It was pretty interesting place.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Spalec posted:


Hades himself was pretty neutral in loving around with the lives of mortals, certainly compared to Zeus who was a giant rear end in a top hat.
Hades doesn't even do the judging, he deputized a couple of former kings for it. He was probably the most live-and-let-live (irony appreciated) out of that pantheon, maybe with Hephaestus.

Spalec posted:

Speaking of Sparta, will you be talking about the city state of Sparta in your educational segments? It was pretty interesting place.
As far as fascist shitholes go, at least.

A bit more on-topic: I never played this series on account of being a PC snob, but the amount of QTEs looks incredibly tiresome. Fighting games would be better off without them in my opinion.

Nalesh
Jun 9, 2010

What did the grandma say to the frog?

Something racist, probably.
OSHA's gonna be all over this game.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

anilEhilated posted:

A bit more on-topic: I never played this series on account of being a PC snob, but the amount of QTEs looks incredibly tiresome. Fighting games would be better off without them in my opinion.

If I recall correctly, this game is the one that made fighting game QTEs famous. So hey, now you know who to blame! :v:

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

kalonZombie posted:

Definitely at least Chains of Olypmus too. They reference it here and there in 3.

How about Ascension? It references a bunch of mythology but it's more divorced from Kratos' plot arc as a whole.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

So did they make That Section more manageable in any way for the HD port, or is it still the single most painful thing in the entire series?

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

So did they make That Section more manageable in any way for the HD port, or is it still the single most painful thing in the entire series?

Are you talking about the pain-in-the-rear end climb, or the pain-in-the-rear end block-pushing bit?

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.
Interesting. Fun enough to watch, and I think I'll enjoy keeping this thread honest. (I'm coming up on my Greats year, so I have some familiarity with Greek myth.)

Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Smornstein posted:

So is Kratos actually based on someone from Greek myth I've just never heard of or did they just make him up for the series?
Kratos is the god of strength, brother of Nike, goddess of victory. He doesn't really have any myths associated with him, which is why I suppose the developers decided to use his name.
Kratos is one of the personification gods - like Nike, literally named Victory; Ploutos, named Wealth and so on. Kratos is Power, and his twin is Bia, Force. They do have a place in myth, as Zeus' enforcers, and probably the most famous occurrence is in the prologue of Aeschylus' Prometheus Bound, where Kratos is particularly enthusiastic (and rather cruel, in the end) about chaining down Prometheus while Hephaistos is reluctant.

Prometheus Bound 1-17 posted:

Power:
We have come to the distant Scythian plain, the untrodden wilderness at the ends of the earth. Hephaistos, now you must fulfil the orders which the Father gave you: that this criminal be chained here, on these high, sharp rocks, in unbreakable fetters of binding adamant. It was your flower, the light of fire using which everything is made, he stole and gave to mortals. For such a transgression against you, he must make penance to the gods, so that he learns contentment with the rule of Zeus and gives up the human-loving ways he has had 'til now.

Hephaistos:
Power and Force, you have both carried out Zeus' command and there is nothing to keep you here any more; but I myself cannot summon up the courage or daring to bind my brother god by force to this mountainís winter-scarred chasm. But it is impossible for me not to dare: disobeying the Fatherís words is a weighty deed.

(Adapted from a friend's translation; she styled it in Shakespearean English because that's sort of how Aeschylus sounds in Greek.)


After being lazy about stealing that, I might as well do some actual translation, so here is how Kratos was born and came to be Zeus' ward and assistant.

Hesiod, Theogony 383-401 posted:

Στὺξ δ᾽ ἔτεκ᾽ Ὠκεανοῦ θυγάτηρ Πάλλαντι μιγεῖσα
Ζῆλον καὶ Νίκην καλλίσφυρον ἐν μεγάροισιν:
καὶ Κράτος ἠδὲ Βίην ἀριδείκετα γείνατο τέκνα,
τῶν οὐκ ἔστ᾽ ἀπάνευθε Διὸς δόμος, οὐδέ τις ἕδρη,
οὐδ᾽ ὁδός, ὅππη μὴ κείνοις θεὸς ἡγεμονεύῃ,
ἀλλ᾽ αἰεὶ πὰρ Ζηνὶ βαρυκτύπῳ ἑδριόωνται.
ὣς γὰρ ἐβούλευσεν Στὺξ ἄφθιτος Ὠκεανίνη
ἤματι τῷ, ὅτε πάντας Ὀλύμπιος ἀστεροπητὴς
ἀθανάτους ἐκάλεσσε θεοὺς ἐς μακρὸν Ὄλυμπον,
εἶπε δ᾽, ὃς ἂν μετὰ εἷο θεῶν Τιτῆσι μάχοιτο,
μή τιν᾽ ἀπορραίσειν γεράων, τιμὴν δὲ ἕκαστον
ἑξέμεν, ἣν τὸ πάρος γε μετ᾽ ἀθανάτοισι θεοῖσιν
τὸν δ᾽ ἔφαθ᾽, ὅστις ἄτιμος ὑπὸ Κρόνου ἠδ᾽ ἀγέραστος,
τιμῆς καὶ γεράων ἐπιβησέμεν, ἧ θέμις ἐστίν.
ἦλθε δ᾽ ἄρα πρώτη Στὺξ ἄφθιτος Οὔλυμπόνδε
σὺν σφοῖσιν παίδεσσι φίλου διὰ μήδεα πατρός.
τὴν δὲ Ζεὺς τίμησε, περισσὰ δὲ δῶρα δέδωκεν.
αὐτὴν μὲν γὰρ ἔθηκε θεῶν μέγαν ἔμμεναι ὅρκον,
παῖδας δ᾽ ἤματα πάντα ἑοῦ μεταναιέτας εἶναι.

And Styx, Oceanos' daughter, joined with Pallas; she bore Nike of the beautiful ankles and Zelos in his hall, and also birthed the two glorious children, Kratos and Bia. They are never far from Zeus' house, and have no place to rest or road to travel which that god has not brought them to - they are always by the side of Zeus of the loud thunder. This was as Styx, immortal daughter of Oceanos, planned it on the day when the Olympian of Lightning called the deathless gods to Olympos' peak. There he told them that he would leave alone all the possessions and glorious titles of the gods who would fight beside him against the Titans, and he would give them honour like they had had before among the deathless ones. He said that anyone who had gone without reward or glory under Kronos would have them both, as was right. Then immortal Styx was the first to go to the Olympian - with her children - thanks to the counsel of her beloved father. Zeus honoured her and gave her extravagant gifts: he appointed her to be the great oath by whom the gods swore, and her children would live alongside him every day.


Spalec posted:

He doesn't rule Hell (as a Christian would think it) though does he? He rules Hades which is different to hell. Hades was where you went after you died to be judged and either went to Elysium (Heaven) or Tartarus which is closer to the Christian idea of hell (i.e. a place of eternal torment).
The use of Haides for the underworld is interesting to track through time. You might think "isn't it a bit weird that the god of the underworld and the underworld itself are exactly the same? Wouldn't that get a bit confusing?" Well, there are more confusing things with names going on in Greek myth, but in this care you're right. The most common way to refer to the underworld, certainly in the earlier Greek texts, is not as Haides, but as Aidao or Haidao. That's the genitive construction, literally 'of Haides': in context, with a name, it's understood as 'the place of Haides' or 'the house of Haides'. Eventually, the simple metonymic use of Haides for his house does gain more currency, but it's always understood that it derives from its ruler god.


And the obligatory reminder every time non-Classicists discuss the 'modern' phenomenon of portraying Haides badly, that it comes from the oldest and most respected Greek writings on the gods.

Homer, Iliad 9.158-159 posted:

...Ἀΐδης τοι ἀμείλιχος ἠδ᾽ ἀδάμαστος,
τοὔνεκα καί τε βροτοῖσι θεῶν ἔχθιστος ἁπάντων

...Haides, you well know, is savage and wild
and, because of that, mortals hate him most of all the gods.

Hesiod, Theogony 455-456 posted:

ἴφθιμόν τ᾽ Ἀίδην, ὃς ὑπὸ χθονὶ δώματα ναίει
νηλεὲς ἦτορ ἔχων ...

And mighty Haides, who lives in his palace under the earth
and whose heart has no pity ...

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Are you talking about the pain-in-the-rear end climb, or the pain-in-the-rear end block-pushing bit?

I only played the HD collection so I don't know if they were better or worse then the PS2 release, but they were both responsible for a lot angry shouting in my house.

Also, the 2 pain-in-the-rear end balance beam bits. The worst thing is if you die multiple times at those bits the game will (incredibly insultingly) offer you to switch to easy...which won't help make those sections any easier at all. :kratos: :kratos:

JackNapier
Jun 20, 2014
I will be following the hell out this thread, both for my love of God of War, and a love of Greek Mythology

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.
Finished up the video, so some points for that last part with Athene. Will probably expand on it later, with some specific examples.

Gods outright fighting each other certainly happens in myth, and you just have to hope that the writer can capture what it means when that happens.
I don't recall any specific instances when Zeus allows one god total free reign while others are forbidden to interfere, because his position as sovereign tends to involve something of a balancing act between them all. It doesn't preclude a story of that sort having been told, and I could imagine an episode where he tells everyone to leave, say, a love match made by Aphrodite alone, but not common I think.
However, he can and does drop a blanket ban on immortal interference in some event if the gods' fighting is getting out of hand.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:

However, he can and does drop a blanket ban on immortal interference in some event if the gods' fighting is getting out of hand.

The Trojan War is a good example of this. Also an example (prior to Zeus stepping in) of gods participating directly in battle, as Ares is on the battlefield and gets wounded.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I keep wondering why is Athena's voice so familiar so I go the the imdb page for this game... Turns out her VA did exactly the same role in Age of Mythology. Wham.
Actually some quite infamous names in this game's voice cast.

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy

Sleep of Bronze posted:

Chaos dunk of education

Between this and Skippy's storytime, I realized I desperately needed somewhere to link to interesting posts, so I added just that.


Kurieg posted:

How about Ascension? It references a bunch of mythology but it's more divorced from Kratos' plot arc as a whole.

I will probably do Ascension just to complain about the weird gameplay changes they made in Ascension. That's many many LPs from now, if I do it at all.

Pennfalath
Sep 10, 2011

Why are these teenagers not at home studying their Latin vocabulary?
:eng101: Herakles/Hercules was onriginally supposed to do only 10 labours, but 2 of them got disqualified (Hydra because of Iolaus, Stables of Augias because of getting paid for it or because the water did all the work).

bman in 2288
Apr 21, 2010
This topic reminds me of how, during one of the Playstation Commercials, the "Michael" one, Kratos shows up, and I think it's his voice actor, too.

Oh, and mythology stuff. Very nice, I always love a bit of lore in my LP's. Really add to the experience.

Drachir D Nalem
Aug 14, 2012
Mythology is loving great and Greek mythology is among the best because the gods are such raging assholes. I lost all my books on the stuff, so this kind of brushing up on the subject is pretty great and appriciated.

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy
I should probably mention that I also had to add the subtitles myself, because God of War was made in that nebulous time where it was acceptable to have a fully voice acted game without any subtitle options. I want to say this because I'm usually not the best at spelling at all, so if you notice an odd typo here or weird capitalization there or the wrong use of "it's" loving everywhere because gently caress it's and its and its', that's my fault. I'm trying to stymie those though.

Cursed Lumberjack
Nov 14, 2006
A rather unfortunate logger indeed.
KalonZombie, I just wanna say that I've enjoyed your LPs for a while now. Good stuff, keep it up.

Also, "it's" is only ever used as a contraction. If your word could be replaced by "it is" then the apostrophe is what you want. Whenever I type "its" or "it's" I read the sentence in my head and use "it is" as a replacement so I always know when I've messed up. "That dog just bit it is own tail" sounds wrong, so no apostrophe. It makes it a little easier to notice the distinction, for me.

Just a tip!

God of War has always been my favorite gratuitously, ridiculously over the top ultraviolence game so I'm looking forward to you going through it.

Cursed Lumberjack fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Aug 27, 2014

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Grimey Drawer
Finally, it begins. :unsmigghh:

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING

I've heard a bunch of different versions of the Orpheus story and the only difference of any significance in the ones I've heard is the exact reason that Orpheus turns around at the end; sometimes Eurydice trips, sometimes Orpheus runs out of willpower, making him the one that trips at the finish line. In my personal favorite version Orpheus understands Hades to mean that he can't look at Eurydice until he, personally, has left the underworld, and he performs admirably; feeling pretty good about his success, Orpheus turns around to help Eurydice across whatever passes for the threshold to the underworld, and Hades goes, "Nope, that totally counts, you lose dodongo." It's just so cartoonishly petty compared to the usual "go big or go home" attitude Greek gods take towards dick moves.

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Desmodae
Apr 24, 2010
My personal favorite version of the Orpheus myth is the folk opera version.

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