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poo poo happened. Watch this match instead: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12xkql_katsuyori-shibata-vs-tomohiro-ishii-njpw-g1-climax-23-08-04-13_sport Brock Lesnar is your champ Dolph Ziggler is your IC champ The Usos are your tag champs Paige is your diva's champ e. Sheamus is your US champ lol  Let's post about how the WWE is really treading water without Daniel Bryan and Dean Ambrose NickRoweFillea fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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I honestly think that if someone explained the sunk cost fallacy to Vince, he'd murder them on the spot.
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Sep 2, 2014 04:52
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WWE is a rough treading water spot and will eventually get better much to the surprise of some people.
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Sep 2, 2014 04:53
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They really screwed the pooch with Cena after seemingly moving in the right direction over the last couple of weeks. He didn't sell me at all on the notion that he's now a driven and dangerous man pushing over the line in order to deal with the biggest obstacle he's ever faced in his career. Threatening a lawsuit was a bad start, and then falling back on his usual cheerful cockiness in the main event didn't help matters at all either.
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Sep 2, 2014 04:53
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Hey guys how was Raw?
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oldpainless posted:Hey guys how was Raw? it had a pretty good tag match with Ziggler/Sheamus taking on Cesaro/Miz (with Sandow) but it went downhill real quick after that
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oldpainless posted:Hey guys how was Raw? It was not very good. Not as bad as it is being made out to be, but not a good show at all. I really felt the three hour running time on this one.
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Bad Raw not as bad as some people made it out to be but still bad. Also OOOHWAH, Reigns owns, haters vacate.
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Commenter elsewhere posted:I'd compare watching Raw nowadays to spending a night with a hooker.
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NickRoweFillea posted:it had a pretty good tag match with Ziggler/Sheamus taking on Cesaro/Miz (with Sandow) but it went downhill real quick after that With a brief bright spot of Bo Dallas interviewing all the Americans that Swagger let down by losing to Rusev, featuring glorious Putintron.
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Sep 2, 2014 04:55
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It seems to me that WWE could really use more jobbers.
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NickRoweFillea posted:poo poo happened. Nothing happened, everyone is still fighting the same everyone else exactly as they were before. We're getting Bray/Jericho IV in a week, the Usos and GoldStar are still fighting each other week after week, Reigns and Orton are fighting to be the prettiest man in a wrestling ring, the Bella Story has been going on for a month now with just interminable time devoted to a story where nothing happens - the heel says mean things and the face never fights back, tacitly agreeing I suppose. I mean, this evening, in the ring, there were five distinct female characters (four wrestlers) with their own motivations and reasons for doing things. That's unprecedented and really great from a feminist point of view... and I could not care less about it because they've been at each other's throats with no payoff (or even build) for months. This holding-pattern poo poo is just the worst. Oh, and don't get me started on how they hosed up Rusev by having him run from Henry. All you have to do to save that spot is have Lana (who is already in the ring) interpose herself (possibly even holding Rusev back) - now Henry is the face because he won't push a woman out of the way, the two giants get to leer at each other face-to-face rather than from 60 feet apart, Lana gets heat for stopping the fight we all want to see, and everything is better in every way. Instead, the unstoppable Midcard Monster is a chickenshit heel. 
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Sep 2, 2014 04:57
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More like Yawn Cena. All I really saw was Bo talking about people being deported because Swagger lost and then Rusev.
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Guys, I just want to have fun. Why does WWE have to suck the fun out of everything?
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I tried really hard to watch this Raw, but once they started doing that Bella twins poo poo, I started watching The Simpsons.
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This RAW was horrible. It was abymally boring. The direction the company has taken is a giant step backwards. It really has gone back to mid/late 2000s SuperCena era stuff again. I knew the show would suffer when Ambrose left but I had no Idea it would be this bad. The thing that WWE has been living off of for the last couple of years has been the fact that even when the plots made no sense or things sucked the wrestling was on a whole probably the highest quality the company had put out in who knows how long. That's gone now. Once again they are throwing every one and everything under the bus for John Cena. Wyatt is dead. Rollins is next, Brock won't survive the month and they killed Cesaro for literally no reason. He didn't get fed to anybody and doesn't even get to do the swing anymore. For most of the last two years even on bad RAWS you would have a really good SHIELD or Cesaro,Bryan or Punk match not anymore. Now they just have poo poo, and the king of poo poo mountain John Cena.
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Jerusalem posted:It was not very good. Not as bad as it is being made out to be, but not a good show at all. I really felt the three hour running time on this one. I'm sorry but this makes no sense. If it's really bad but not bad but still bad. Doesn't that just mean it was a really lovely raw? Why are you so hesitant to just call it straight up awful?
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If this Cena build is leading to another Cena loss then great the build is doing what it's supposed to be doing, creating the belief that Cena can win. If he then actually goes on and wins, even if Rollins cashes in on him. It's just annoying as they still aren't doing anything interesting with the Cena character.
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BasicFunk posted:I tried really hard to watch this Raw, but once they started doing that Bella twins poo poo, I started watching The Simpsons. Which time? There were multiple (3 by my count) several-minute-long Bella sessions, each more inane than the last, all building to a match that will suck out loud because between the two of them there's like ¼ a competent wrestler. Really I just don't understand why WWE's writers don't understand how literally ALL OTHER SPORTS AND ALL OTHER ENTERTAINMENT works. Luke and Vader don't fight each other across the opening crawl, then fight again in the Cantina, then have an epic battle inside the Death Star before having another fight in the Massassi Throne Room for a Leia on a Pole, there's a build until Luke's epic trench run, then the release. Like, Football: All the teams play different opponents until there's only a few left, with odds-on favorites on two sides that won't meet until the SUPER BOWL. THAT'S HOW YOU BOOK A FEUD. The Seahawks and Broncos didn't play each other every week throughout January, have a Super Bowl game, then keep playing each other in February!! There was a build, then a release, and now the two teams have stories (Will they repeat?/Will they come back stronger and win this time?). A game that is literally real and not written in advance is booked better than WWE. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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The_Rob posted:I'm sorry but this makes no sense. If it's really bad but not bad but still bad. Doesn't that just mean it was a really lovely raw? Why are you so hesitant to just call it straight up awful? I'll call it bad. It was bad.
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NickRoweFillea posted:I'll call it bad. It was bad. This is all I really want.
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I was not able to watch Raw but I am glad to hear that Henry/Rusev is still on, but am confused about the fact that Wyatts/World's Steongest Show is also still on? I suppose the worst case scenario would be Rusev joining the Wyatts in the Phantom Zone.
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The_Rob posted:I'm sorry but this makes no sense. If it's really bad but not bad but still bad. Doesn't that just mean it was a really lovely raw? Why are you so hesitant to just call it straight up awful? There were a few things that were good, like Bo just laying it out for swagger, and probably some stuff that could have been good, but overall it just...it just didnt work at all.
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Brie Bella made a lovely RAW, and I didn't tell anyone.
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The_Rob posted:I'm sorry but this makes no sense. If it's really bad but not bad but still bad. Doesn't that just mean it was a really lovely raw? Why are you so hesitant to just call it straight up awful? Because I've seen far, far, far worse shows than that before, and more than anything else what was bad about it was that it was fairly boring or otherwise unremarkable. If it was straight up awful I'd say so, as I have in the past about those much worse episodes. The worst thing about it was the poor choice of direction for Cena's characterization after the last couple of weeks were so intriguing.
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gently caress, even TNA teased the "will Dixie be put through a table" for a month, with Bully Ray encountering Dixie before being run off/she escapes for a month. That is how you build to "tune in to see if it happens!" If WWE booked that feud, Dixie would go through a table every week until the heat death of the universe/Bully Ray started to get over, at which point, Bully would be fed to John Cena.
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Everblight posted:Really I just don't understand why WWE's writers don't understand how literally ALL OTHER SPORTS AND ALL OTHER ENTERTAINMENT works. Here's the thing that it keeps coming back to: these people cannot do their job, on any level. I'm not just talking competence, because really, you don't need to pen Wire-like or hell, even Arrow-like plots to tell a successful story in wrestling. I'm talking that everything has to go through Vince. And Vince doesn't want to tell a good story. Vince HATES wrestling, and now that it's probably pretty clear that all his dreams of branching out have failed, I'm pretty sure he's slowly going crazy from his lifetime of issues that he tried to self-medicate away. Really, if you get hired to write wrestling storylines, and if everything you do can be thrown out or changed on a whim, or if you get in trouble because you broke some unwritten rule it's impossible for you to figure out, or if you actually try and work out a bible and storyboard stuff and you get derided and insulted for your extra effort, then why bother even trying? Go through the motions, collect a paycheck, network. What's happening with Cena this and last week is a perfect example. Vince is afraid 'Cena will lose credibility' so he RAPADOOS over a bunch of people. The ten years leading to this and all the facts that this is not the case for a dozen different reasons go in one of Vince's ears and out the other. The only thing that matters is what Vince thinks, and he had the power to inflict his thoughts, QED. It all comes down to Vince, and the fact Vince is a hosed up near-lunatic control freak who wants us to dance to his tune and just doubles down every time the crowd won't. That's it. That's all. Wrestling is INCREDIBLY hosed up, and he's just the latest version of the hosed-up diamonds it produces.
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The_Rob posted:I'm sorry but this makes no sense. If it's really bad but not bad but still bad. Doesn't that just mean it was a really lovely raw? Why are you so hesitant to just call it straight up awful? Needs More Ditka posted:Guys, I just want to have fun. Why does WWE have to suck the fun out of everything? I will say that at least NXT is goodish (not as perfect as some say) but their quarterly PPV is coming and it should be a fun show sans the probably terrible Bull Dempsey Mojo Rawley match.
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You forgot to mention that Sheamus is the US CHamp currently in the WWE.
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achillesforever6 posted:Because there are way worse Raws than this that would make you embarrassed to be a fan of the WWE. Stuff like Cole getting BBQ sprayed on him or lovely 2009 Raws. NXT is about to get Real Good when KENTA, Steen, and Devitt show up. Holy gently caress I cannot wait
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achillesforever6 posted:Because there are way worse Raws than this that would make you embarrassed to be a fan of the WWE. Stuff like Cole getting BBQ sprayed on him or lovely 2009 Raws. The bbq sauce was at least funny though.
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Anime Device posted:You forgot to mention that Sheamus is the US CHamp currently in the WWE. lmao, shows you the value of the US Title
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Cena cared less about this Raw than I did.
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The only enjoyable thing tonight was laughing at how terrible it was. Well, that and Bo's bit.
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The_Rob posted:The bbq sauce was at least funny though.  NickRoweFillea posted:NXT is about to get Real Good when KENTA, Steen, and Devitt show up. Holy gently caress I cannot wait
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achillesforever6 posted:No it wasn't it was one of those moments that you have people walk in when watching wrestling that makes you hate the product for making you look like a fool. http://pwinsider.com/article/87966/wwe-signing-top-california-talent-finally.html?p=1
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achillesforever6 posted:No it wasn't it was one of those moments that you have people walk in when watching wrestling that makes you hate the product for making you look like a fool. 
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projecthalaxy posted:I was not able to watch Raw but I am glad to hear that Henry/Rusev is still on, but am confused about the fact that Wyatts/World's Steongest Show is also still on? I suppose the worst case scenario would be Rusev joining the Wyatts in the Phantom Zone. They actually addressed this in a sensible backstage segment where Henry said he was putting the World's Strongest Show on hold to defend America's honour.
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Man, planning Dean Ambrose's time off for now seems so dumb. Not even just cause he's sorely missed, but he really was doing great since The Shield breakup and that Rollins/Ambrose main event was taking it to another level. I'm sure he'll be fine when he gets back but holding off when the iron is hot seems like a bad call. Bray Wyatt only cut an standard Bray Wyatt promo for all of Raw. I say standard because, can he really keep running with the "destroying your heroes" thing? It was good at the start of his run, got great when he had actual momentum, but after the Cena feud and the Y2J feud being lackluster I wonder if they're going to have to switch it up with him. Or at least tweak it. The Brie/Steph storyline was well-handled and resulted in a surprisingly watchable match - the Nikki heel turn made a lot of sense. But for the airtime they're being given, the crowd really really didn't seem to give a poo poo anymore, even when they brought in AJ and Paige. Admittedly this was Iowa, which tends to be awful, but I think the acting talents of the Bellas being used in a soap opera-y promo heavy storyline might be the bigger problem? I am rooting for the Dusts and Cesaro, over their face opponents. These are my thoughts on a bad Raw.
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