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CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Jokes about Victoria and fashion were usually just "man, isn't this permissive!"

Yeah, but drat if this isn't one of my favorite Second Doctor moments.

From Tomb of the Cybermen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD926WSh5w8

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MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Gaz-L posted:

Plus, y'know, Ben and Polly. I think they may actually be more forgettable than Dodo, because Dodo is at least notably pointless.

They were just Generic Companions. Not great, not terrible.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


MrL_JaKiri posted:

They were just Generic Companions. Not great, not terrible.

Yup. That's Ben and Polly alright.

Ben exists largely to be wrong and have the Doctor explain how, Polly at least does a little more than scream, sometimes they help out, they both want to get home, yadda yadda yadda.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


The Cyberman leader just had a speech about how dumb humans are, ending with him just saying "Clever... clever... clever..."

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I've been thinking, if they're that fixed on survival, maybe the Cybermen would benefit from eating a well-prepared meal.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


A MIXTURE OF ALL THE SOLVENTS

Metal Loaf posted:

I've been thinking, if they're that fixed on survival, maybe the Cybermen would benefit from eating a well-prepared meal.

They should just have a snack

Potsticker
Jan 13, 2006



I had forgotten about Curse of the Black Spot, but recalling it now it was mostly inoffensive and fun enough.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


"If the Earth doesn't see the flare they'll assume we'll all dead, and then they'll do nothing"

Man this job has a low life expectancy

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Potsticker posted:

I had forgotten about Curse of the Black Spot, but recalling it now it was mostly inoffensive and fun enough.

Rory dies and Amy dresses up like a pirate, what more do you need?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


MrL_JaKiri posted:

They should just have a snack

I imagine if the series had continued past 1990, the Cybermen would've eventually been beaten when the Doctor tricks them into drinking Nescafe Gold Blend.

Potsticker
Jan 13, 2006



howe_sam posted:

Rory dies and Amy dresses up like a pirate, what more do you need?

Amy dies and Rory dressing like a pirate?

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

Bicyclops posted:


I, on the other hand, just heard the first Iris Wildthyme standalone, which was attempting to be zany just a little too hard, I think. It was fun to listen to after last week's episode though, because it does have Robin Hood in it, carrying a fellow's head around on a stick.

And her companion Panda was in "Robot of Sherwood" as the official at the the archery contest!

Which would have been more awesome if he was actually playing Panda.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005



Metal Loaf posted:

I imagine if the series had continued past 1990, the Cybermen would've eventually been beaten when the Doctor tricks them into drinking Nescafe Gold Blend.

This is the alternate reality where Tony Head comes out of Rocky Horror and straight into the TARDIS, right?

Psybro
May 12, 2002


I listened to Situation Vacant as I'm having a terrible Friday evening with nothing better to do and it was very, very RTD first episode in the series-y.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Trin Tragula posted:

This is the alternate reality where Tony Head comes out of Rocky Horror and straight into the TARDIS, right?

I misread "Tony Head" as "Tony Hadley" and imagined the Cybermen being beaten by Ace blasting Spandau Ballet at them on her boom box.

Speaking of Anthony Head, I've been binge-watching Highlander: The Series lately and there's an episode at the end of season one where Head guest stars using an American accent, and it just sounds weird.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

Defendere
Hoc Est Quacktum




Bicyclops posted:

It's comforting to know that one can assemble a bunch of random letters and come up with a porn star with an extensive IMDB listing

Anal Attraction 2 wasn't nearly as good as the original. When are people going to learn to stop making sequels?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Metal Loaf posted:

Speaking of Anthony Head, I've been binge-watching Highlander: The Series lately and there's an episode at the end of season one where Head guest stars using an American accent, and it just sounds weird.

You want weird? Track down video of Alexis Denisof using his real American accent. That made my brain hurt.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Darth Freddy posted:

Looks great, want a forums certificate?

I'm all good, if you can make use of any of them, please do.

Bicyclops posted:

Is the Moonbase the one where Jaime is like "Hey, Victoria, what do you think of these shiny leotards everyone is wearing?" and Victoria is like ?

I was thinking of The Ice Warriors but that doesn't make much sense given the climate, but I recall the scene going down with Victoria complaining about how the girls are dressed "provocatively" and Jamie enthusiastically agrees that this is wrong, then quietly asks,"Would... uhh... would you ever consider wearing something like that.... ?"

Bicyclops posted:

People don't talk about the Agatha Christie episode much. I'm still a little angry about it because although it is an okay episode, it is not really an Agatha Christie episode, which is a thing we should have had and now never will.

Even disregarding the awful use of Agatha Christie and many of the other problems I had with characterization in the story, the biggest problem with that episode for me is in just how poorly it was directed and edited. It's shockingly bad, and indicates to me at least that production was hugely rushed.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Nefud was right

Hahaha, I forgot all about that.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

The_Doctor posted:

You want weird? Track down video of Alexis Denisof using his real American accent. That made my brain hurt.

Sandy Rivers was one of my favorite recurring joke characters on How I Met Your Mother.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Jerusalem posted:

Hahaha, I forgot all about that.

I think I've lost the plot, here.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


The_Doctor posted:

You want weird? Track down video of Alexis Denisof using his real American accent. That made my brain hurt.

Denisof also did an episode of Highlander, actually, presumably while he was working in the UK, considering it was in a Paris episode. He was the US ambassador's junkie son that killed the wife of one of MacLeod's friends.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


DoctorWhat posted:

I think I've lost the plot, here.

Nefud used to complain about the idea of a Doctor/Rose romance being akin to a human being having sex with a dog. It lead to a comic by Brigadier Sockface where a dog trots past Tennant thinking,"Pervert "

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KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider



Metal Loaf posted:

Speaking of Anthony Head, I've been binge-watching Highlander: The Series lately and there's an episode at the end of season one where Head guest stars using an American accent, and it just sounds weird.

Head always sounds weird with an American accent. Did you see him in Dominion? Bizarre.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Jerusalem posted:

Nefud used to complain about the idea of a Doctor/Rose romance being akin to a human being having sex with a dog. It lead to a comic by Brigadier Sockface where a dog trots past Tennant thinking,"Pervert "

Ah, before my time, I'd assume. Was this contemporaneous to when he compared David Tennant to a traitor-to-fandom and/or a Nazi who was "just following orders"?

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

I think Charlotte might be...A MAVERICK!


Bicyclops posted:

Everyone remembers that Master arc though, partly because of Dobby and partly because Derk Jacobi was criminally wasted on having an extremely small role when he should be playing the Master for seasons and seasons, with the Delgado goatee.

Hey, he very well might have, if not for RTD reviving the TV show and scuppering the webcast plan for good. drat him!

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Yvonmukluk posted:

Hey, he very well might have, if not for RTD reviving the TV show and scuppering the webcast plan for good. drat him!

Scream of the Shalka was bad garbage and REG phoned it in. We're better off for it.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


DoctorWhat posted:

Ah, before my time, I'd assume. Was this contemporaneous to when he compared David Tennant to a traitor-to-fandom and/or a Nazi who was "just following orders"?

It was before that.

Nefud (Why Cookie Rocket now I think) generally had very interesting things to say though and it's a shame he doesn't post in these threads anymore.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Jerusalem posted:

It was before that.

Nefud (Why Cookie Rocket now I think) generally had very interesting things to say though and it's a shame he doesn't post in these threads anymore.

He hangs out in the Transformers thread now, where he complains about the plastic quality.

... and he's not exactly wrong.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Metal Loaf posted:

I imagine if the series had continued past 1990, the Cybermen would've eventually been beaten when the Doctor tricks them into drinking Nescafe Gold Blend.



Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



Jerusalem posted:

Nefud (Why Cookie Rocket now I think) generally had very interesting things to say though and it's a shame he doesn't post in these threads anymore.

Agreed.



Jerusalem posted:

These any good?





Whatever is used, the caption below needs to be "HAAAAAAIIIII!"

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax


Goddamnit, I lost a huge post, the gist of which was that the Macra Terror was not obscure, timelord-human relationships are as acceptable as human-cat relationships and the Three Doctors was a bit poo poo. Unlike this one it was very much a good post though. Come at me!

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Cliff Racer posted:

timelord-human relationships are as acceptable as human-cat relationships

Nobody accepts humans loving cats, which was the gist of Nefud's complaint!

I don't like the human/dog (or cat) comparison because it makes out companions to basically be "pets" of the Doctor, which is an extremely cynical way of looking at things. I far preferred the way the Doctor explained it in The God Complex, companions are basically children and he feels guilty about bringing them along on his adventures because it's such an irresistible temptation for them and they can't ever really know better, but he enjoys their company far too much to be able to stop himself offering them the chance to come along.

Whether pets or enthusiastically naive "children", it's still utterly inappropriate for him to have sex with any of them though!

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Flight Bisque
Feb 23, 2008

There is, surprisingly, always hope.

Trin Tragula posted:

This is the alternate reality where Tony Head comes out of Rocky Horror and straight into the TARDIS, right?

Hopefully using the same costume for both roles.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax


Jerusalem posted:

Nobody accepts humans loving cats, which was the gist of Nefud's complaint!

Yes, the original point that I had made (and then hosed up when my foot played around with the computer cords a little too much) was that I had made the same point, using almost the exact same comparison as Nefud did, with a coworker who seems at least open to the idea of me being right. Nefud was not alone in his thoughts!

Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008



To make the comparison you have to accept the premise that the Doctor is on a mental level so far above his companions that they're basically animals to him, which is totally incongruent with the general tone of the show. He keeps his companions around to ground him, to provide input, and to make him see things he can't see by himself, amongst other reasons. They need to be close to his general level of intelligence in order for any of that to happen.

In general the Doctor's intelligence is highly technical and logistical but other than in those areas, he isn't any smarter than a particularly smart human and can sometimes be slow on the uptake when it comes to ethical, emotional or lateral thinking-centred quandaries. Who figures out that there's another way to end the Time War than using The Moment? Clara. Who figures out that the space whale in The Beast Below is still sapient? Amy. Without his companions to be smarter than him in those situations, the Doctor does extremely bad things because he can't think of any better way.

There's a whole kettle of other reasons why he shouldn't be in relationships with them, but "it'd be like a human dating a cat!" is an angle that deifies the Doctor's intelligence while short-selling the importance of his companions, eye em ohh. He's no good, even dangerous, without a companion, and it isn't just because they provide a moral grounding, but because they're often perceptive and smart enough to see things his single-minded focus misses.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax


It might be incongruent with the tone of the show, especially in the revival years but is it really incongruent with the Doctor's (and Timelords in general) abilities as repeatedly described? He's shown himself to be very able to come up with personality based plans when the writers want him to. His lateral thinking is generally pretty good when the plot doesn't require him to be dumb. I question whether emotional abilities are enough to make you equivalent to a human or timelord anyway. I'm reasonably certain that dogs and cats can feel fear, joy, love and hatred just like humans do. A better comparison would be whether Timelords are so smart that they are at a level above general sentience. I feel like they've been portrayed as being so, at least on their better days with things like limited telepathy, the Doctor's mumbo jumbo about feeling the earth move beneath his feet, etc.

Its fun to make the loving a cat argument because of how crass it is but you are right that the actual heart of it is what are what his companions to him. I honestly feel that they are treated as pets by him in the older stuff I've seen (first nine seasons) and as children in all of the revival stuff I've seen. Neither is an equal, adult relationship between partners. The very fact that companions can, and often are, replaced yet the Doctor can't be should be enough to show that.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


That's why I like the children analogy. It's not that they're ACTUAL children, but that while they're intelligent and capable their minds aren't quite as developed as his so they don't understand certain things that he grasps easily... but they're also capable of cutting through a lot of his bullshit or justifications with an almost simplistic world view of,"This is good, that is bad." They can also be justifiably outraged when he tries to talk down to them because while they may not know all the things he knows, that doesn't make them stupid, and they're certainly not "pets".

Making things sexual (both ways) would be creepy and inappropriate and weird, not because the Doctor should be asexual or because it's akin to loving a dog, but because it would be like a 15 year old going out with their 60 year old school teacher.

Tim Burns Effect
Apr 1, 2011



A little ways into the "Philip Hinchcliffe Presents" box set and apparently Big Finish's throwback to the Hinchcliffe era includes the casual racism

Ms Boods
Mar 19, 2009


The Action Man posted:

I'd love to see Capaldi in the Time Meddler with Craig Ferguson as the Monk.

I've made no secret of my love of Craig Ferguson, so I'm backing this one.

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Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005



Right, let's just take care of some AOB

whatsabattle posted:

Hopefully using the same costume for both roles.

How'd you do? I see you've met my faithful com-pan-ion. She's just a little brought down, because when you knocked, she thought you were the Kandyman.

And let's move along.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3664592

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