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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

The final conversation between Robin and the Doctor was far more appealing to me than I expected it to be. But I don't have many strong feelings yet. Maybe on a rewatch.

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Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

*AUTISM INSTENSIFIES*



Ben Miller as Christopher Guest in the Princess Bride was wonderfully hammy. Supremely silly, but also very entertaining.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

The Sherriff was decapitated in the duel, revealing he was actually a robot. He then pops his head back onto his body and continues the fight.

Diabolik900
Mar 28, 2007



Fun Shoe

That was much better than I expected. I enjoyed it a lot.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

HD DAD posted:

The Sherriff was decapitated in the duel, revealing he was actually a robot. He then pops his head back onto his body and continues the fight.

Jeez, that's a huge plotpoint to completely lose in the edit. It also makes Robin's brutal goddamn murder of him seem... well, more in-line with usual Doctor Who morality.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


HD DAD posted:

The Sherriff was decapitated in the duel, revealing he was actually a robot. He then pops his head back onto his body and continues the fight.

Ahh, that makes sense given the blink and you'll miss it "I'm a half-man/half-android!" stuff he shouted in the middle of their fight out of nowhere.

Edit: I loved the design of the robots too, they looked great.

Solaris Knight
Apr 26, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT POWER RANGERS MYSTIC FORCE


This was definetly a much needed, cozier episode, especially compared to the huge bombast of Into the Dalek and Deep Breath. It felt very refreshing in that aense, seeing how Twelve is in a slightluy slower pace.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Jerusalem posted:

I don't know what was edited from the original cut, but I thought the climax (from the peasant revolt against the robot knights to the duel between Robin and the Sheriff) felt a little haphazardly edited - I don't know if they cut stuff out or if what they filmed was a mess and that was the best they could salvage from it.

Edit: Based on this and The Crimson Horror, Gatiss might have finally found his strength in Who - silly stories where everybody just has a great time.

It was a scene where Robin cuts the Sherriff's head off, revealing him to be a Mechanical. Robin almost immediately throws the head back on because it's a bit too freaky.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005



That was everything The Curse of the Black Spot and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship tried to be and failed miserably at. And it looks like we're making a play for something more than just "entertaining cobblers" next week, too.

I do wonder how long Gatiss has wanted to do that story. A lot of that preening and action stuff seemed like it'd have played right into the hands of David Tennant, but I'll bet someone said to him "not while Robin Hood's still being made, mate".

Also, I believe that this is the first time there's been a Doctor Who guest actor who's also been employed by a pornographic TV channel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhtWNUKtIsQ

(I do also enjoy the concept of Paul "Endurance UK" Ross having a pop at bad cable TV shows...)

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Also holy poo poo that was Ben Miller? I didn't recognize him at all.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I didn't have high expectations of the episode but actually ended up enjoying it a lot more than I expected to. Even the stupid spoon fight. It was fun. Would watch it again.

For whatever reason, it kinda sorta reminded me of Rik Mayall as Flashheart Hood from Blackadder Back and Forth, but I'm probably alone in that.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

I'm actually really glad this episode is getting such a positive reaction; I thought I was alone in enjoying to workprint version. It's definitely up there now along with The Crimson Horror as Gatiss's best.

Twelve and Robin locked in the dungeon was the highlight of the entire thing for me.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Metal Loaf posted:

For whatever reason, it kinda sorta reminded me of Rik Mayall as Flashheart Hood from Blackadder Back and Forth, but I'm probably alone in that.

That moment when he and the Doctor are arguing in the dungeon and he starts laughing made me immediately think of Rik Mayall too

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

*AUTISM INSTENSIFIES*



The only criticisms I would have of that episode, and they're very small ones, is that I think they could have made the opening 20 minutes 15 without losing anything of value, and not have to make as many cuts later on. The golden arrow solution was also very bizarre.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012



Clearly, Gatiss overruled Moffat on this one and did not make a good episode bad by inserting a stupid Missy scene.

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY


Carbon dioxide posted:

Clearly, Gatiss overruled Moffat on this one and did not make a good episode bad by inserting a stupid Missy scene.

Nope. ISIS did.

TheHoodedClaw
Jul 26, 2008



Carbon dioxide posted:

Clearly, Gatiss overruled Moffat on this one and did not make a good episode bad by inserting a stupid Missy scene.

Not a direct one anyway.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Yeah the golden arrow solution basically made no sense at all (well really none of the episode did, but that in particular), outside of the fact that it required the Doctor, Robin and Clara to stop fussing and feuding over who the cleverest was and actually work together as a team.

I loved the Doctor's grudging admission that he completely cheated the archery competition too.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

*AUTISM INSTENSIFIES*



I liked that they actually used longbows

McDragon
Sep 11, 2007



Also I love that the amount of gold they used for the arrow was worth about 12% of their entire engine power. Silly robots definitely seem to be the order of the day so far.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012



Robin Hood is as real as the Doctor.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Jerusalem posted:

That moment when he and the Doctor are arguing in the dungeon and he starts laughing made me immediately think of Rik Mayall too

"WOOF!"

Awwwwww.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

McDragon posted:

Also I love that the amount of gold they used for the arrow was worth about 12% of their entire engine power. Silly robots definitely seem to be the order of the day so far.

There are a lot of goddamn robots this season, aren't there?

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

Wait, people like The Crimson Horror? It's loving terrible.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


HD DAD posted:

There are a lot of goddamn robots this season, aren't there?

They want to reach the Promised Land because they're Ambassadors......
















....OF DEATH!

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Jerusalem posted:

They want to reach the Promised Land because they're Ambassadors......
















....OF DEATH!

TWAAAANG

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wait, people like The Crimson Horror? It's loving terrible.

I love it, the only issue I really have with it is that the first half sets itself up so well as atmospheric horror before the second half happily embraces going silly... but the second half is just so much fun and everybody seems to be having such a good time that it is infectious. I always end that episode with a big smile on my face, probably helped by Diana Rigg hamming it up so well.

Cruel Rose
May 27, 2010

saaave gotham~
come on~
DO IT, BATMAN
FUCKING BATMAN I FUCKING HATE YOU


Jerusalem posted:

I loved the Doctor's grudging admission that he completely cheated the archery competition too.

Guess the homing device was how he was able to make the explosion with his sonic earlier.

who am i kidding it would've been able to do that anyway

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Also we better see the Hives of the Ice Warriors at some point

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Jerusalem posted:

Also we better see the Hives of the Ice Warriors at some point

They have a cream for that now

egon_beeblebrox
Feb 29, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wait, people like The Crimson Horror? It's loving terrible.

I agree. I didn't care much for series 7 in general, and that one was the worst. It irritated the Hell out of me.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


It was very cool that they included this shot in the Robin Hood database

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Jerusalem posted:

It was very cool that they included this shot in the Robin Hood database



Clearly Ramon Salamander had a successful film career before he entered politics.

EDIT: though on a more fan-wanky note, that does tie into the question of "where do the faces come from"...

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


If we never get any more of an "answer" to that question beyond the Doctor's musing about his subconscious trying to tell him something I'll be absolutely satisfied. It's a question that doesn't really need to be asked or answered.

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.


The whole "real becomes legend" thing annoyed me because it felt like some tacked on happy ending flying in the face of everything else which was revealed to be fake.

Also, maybe it's just me but it really seems like they're using Capaldi to break apart/deride many of the more lovely/campy elements of the previous seasons.

Like, Smith/Tenant would have just run with it and gone all fanservicey for the whole episode only to go "aha, i knew you were all fake" at the end. Whereas Capaldi was shouting it all down as being fake and shite from the moment it started.

Even Clara started mocking the overuse of the screw driver in that prison scene.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Jerusalem posted:

If we never get any more of an "answer" to that question beyond the Doctor's musing about his subconscious trying to tell him something I'll be absolutely satisfied. It's a question that doesn't really need to be asked or answered.

Never had one of those under Moffat

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.


Will SOMEONE please link me a video or mp3 of this joke?!?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


CobiWann posted:

Will SOMEONE please link me a video or mp3 of this joke?!?

Here is your link....













OF DEATH!

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


CobiWann posted:

Will SOMEONE please link me a video or mp3 of this joke?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we7BNW8UqZw

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Cruel Rose
May 27, 2010

saaave gotham~
come on~
DO IT, BATMAN
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DoctorWhat posted:

Clearly Ramon Salamander had a successful film career before he entered politics.

Jonathan Morris made the exact same joke on twitter earlier.

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