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I liked how when Soriano got on top at the end Skelly shouts "gently caress!" and then throws an elbow
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Groinshot->takedown is officially a viable strategy
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Chas 'The Human Backpack' Skelly had the whole second half of round two basically gift-wrapped for him and now he acts like Mark Hunt after walking up a flight of stairs. sm god drat h
He fought literally 13 days ago, the fact that he's winning at all is pretty impressive
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Sep 6, 2014 00:31
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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The crazy thing is Overeem is gonna gas harder than that dude
I'm trying to remember who called Sokodjou "Vitor 2: Bigger and Blacker" because it's the perfect description of Overeem
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Sep 6, 2014 00:37
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Iaquinta/Damm has the potential to be the shittiest fight of the night
I hope you're suitably chastened
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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LMAO at Weidman going Full Liddell
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Wasn't it Yuns who did an exhaustive breakdown of the arm-in guillotine?
Even though guillotines are not considered an advanced move, I find that many people have trouble finishing them and many of those people only have a cursory understanding of the guillotine and its mechanics.
The guillotine can take many forms but here I'll touch on a few:
The guillotine (no arm in) - This strangle uses your forearm and bicep to compress the major carotid arteries on both sides of your partner's neck. The back of his neck will rest under your armpit and the front of your opponents trachea with be in the crook of your elbow. For a superior high elbow variant of this strangle, once you've locked on the position take your pulling arm and the elbow up high and point it straight over your partner's back. This makes it harder to defend.
The power guillotine - power guillotines are generally those guillotines that do not have an arm in but instead of the traditional pulling up motion with the support arm you use a pushing in motion to compress. The most famous example of this is the McKenzietine used by MMA fighter, Cody McKenzie. He made a fist with his choking arm hand and used his second hand to push the fist inward. These power guillotines have the advantage that pressure can be maintained in mechanically disadvantageous body positions like a passed guard but the amount of pressure is less overall and, if body positional control is not maintained alternative counters can be used.
The arm in guillotine - This is probably the most common form of guillotine. Ideally you do not want your opponent to have his arm inside your choke. It is tougher to strangle a neck and arm instead of just a neck. However, in live rolling you will usually be able to get an arm inside guillotine much more frequently than an arm free guillotine. Additionally once you get that guillotine grip many people will reach over your nonchoking shoulder to relieve the pressure and your support hand will have to come under that defending arm and thus the arm will end in inside. Despite the greater difficulty, it is still quite possible to finish an arm in guillotine. I will discuss this guillotine in greater detail later.
The shallow guillotine - This is not the proper term for this types of choke but it is how I distinguish this choke from other types of guillotines that may look nominally like normal guillotine. This guillotine does not rely on a blood strangle of the carotids but rather relies on the blades of the wrist compressing the trachea. Frequently people will use it off a failed normal guillotine. Perhaps they got a guillotine on you but it is too shallow and the forearm is over your throat. By switching directions and instead of pull up the choking arm pulling the choking arm elbow up and back, you can sharply compress the trachea and produce severe pain and an extremely fast tap. Marcelo Garcia uses a shallow guillotine grip in combination with the high elbow guillotine as his marcelotine. Notice how shallow his grip is in this video http://randomgrappler.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-post.html
The one armed guillotine - I thought I'd briefly mention this submission. It is a submission from on top of side control where instead of the normal cross face arm position you reach around the head with one arm like a guillotine but use the second arm to underhook your partner's far arm. How turn to face opponent's head and bring his head off the mat. This is a combination neck crank and choke. Most people use it as a simple neck crank but it is also a choke. You can dial in the amount of cranking by how far your lift the head off the mat. You can dial in the amount of choking but how far apart your pull your elbows (pull you choking elbow back like you are using your forearm to cut your partner's throat).
I could give detailed instructions on all these guillotines and many many variant but let's focus on at least being able to execute an arm in guillotine properly.
First, the key to the arm in guillotine is your initial arm position. I usually know as soon as I get a good guillotine grip on the head whether I'm going to be able to finish the strangle or not. For a traditional strangle your grip must be DEEP. If you can see your elbow easily, then your grip is too shallow. Your head grip must be deep enough that your elbow is hidden.
Let's imagine a scenario.
Your partner is turtled in front of you after a takedown and you are in front with a quasi front headlock position. One arm is around his head gripping his chin and the other arm is gripping the back of his same side tricep.
* First make sure that controlled arm is cleared by pulling it toward you so that he can't defend by pulling back his elbow. You can also lock your hands palm to palm and use this gable grip to pull his trapped arm in toward you to clear it away from his body.
* Move your head close to and over the back of his head. By bringing your head over his, this allows you to get a deeper choking grip.
* Slide in your head grip arm in deeper so that your elbow is not visible and the back of his head is under your armpit. Ideally your elbow should be about at the midpoint of the front of his trachea.
* At this point, your partner may be trying to dig his choking side hand inside your neck grip and may wrap his nonchoking side arm around your body and place his shoulder against your chest to defend the guillotine. If he does not, you can get the guillotine with no arm inside for the easier finish.
* Bring your choking arm hand up around his opposite armpit while flexing your bicep so you are creating pressure already on both side of his neck.
* Now reach over his defending arm that is wrapped around your body and grab your choking arm hand or wrist. Traditionally, you use a finger finger or monkey grip (all fingers together with the thumb on the same side as the fingers) on the wrist and heel of the hand BUT the grip is not critical at all to this choke so feel free to use an alternative grip if you prefer.
* Now pull up your choking arm wrist as high as you can by lifting up your pulling arm elbow as high as you can. Your partners head should be as high as possible under your armpit
* You absolutely do not want to let your opponent get his body across yours (if he get cross body you won't be able to finish and he can shoulder/von flue choke you). You also do not want to be square on to/in line with your opponent as it's not the ideal position to finish from. To produce the strongest choking pressure you should be out of alignment with your opponent with your body to his trapped arm side. This alignment theory also works from mounted guillotines and instead of a pure square on mount it is better to finish a mounted guillotine from knee on belly off to the trapped arm side.
* So step your legs out to the trapped arm side then sit under your partner on your choking arm side hip by bringing your choking arm side leg knee first under your partner from the trapped arm side so that the foot is hooked onto the trapped arm side hip and the shin is across the stomach with the knee by the choke side hip.
* You should be on your choking arm side hip.
* Now throw your other leg over partner's back from the trapped arm side to keep him from passing to a cross body position and to keep him from rolling. You could also use closed guard but stay off to the side on your choking arm hip.
* ideally to finish you want to compress his carotids. Imagine your forearm and bicep are two arms of a pair of scissors with the hinge of the scissors being your elbow. Pull up hard on the choking arm wrist and flex the bicep to close the scissors as if they are going to chop off the head and bring your hinge/elbow tight toward your side/hip.
* The following are indicative of having the proper position. His back should be arched and he should be curled forward not stretched out straight. If his body is straight it is easier for him to pull his head out. Have him curled up. I prefer to have the crown of his head on the mat not the forehead. If his forehead is on the mat I feel he can pull his head out easier and there is less pressure. He should his chin forced down into his chest and turned toward your torso.
* You should be able to finish an arm in guillotine like this.
So that's a very quick summary of the guillotine.
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Sep 6, 2014 02:39
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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I always thought the TAM/Faber guillotine where he jumps to the guillotine and also traps an arm or two with his legs was the power guillotine but it sounds like it was just a really good and cool way to do a normal one. Very informative
Yuns is a sharp dude and he knows his guillotines
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Sep 6, 2014 03:01
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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And yet, Lauzon vs Miller was allowed to go to decision.
That one was high on the forehead, this one was in a spot where widening it could have had serious lasting effects on his eye.
I sure as hell wouldn't mind a rematch, though; the fight was great and I'm sure a second one would be too. Lauzowns.
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Sep 6, 2014 03:29
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Joe Lauzon is one of those guys who kicks rear end, has great fights, but will never get a belt. By the time he retires he better make the HOF.
He's got 12 *OTN bonuses and he only just turned 30, if he keeps going he'll be able to build his own HOF
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Sep 6, 2014 03:38
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Midnight Meathead rides again
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Sep 6, 2014 03:40
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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KO - Clipping Error
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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We're classy here, like myself and my close training partner who threatened his ex with a machine gun and chased her out of the country
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Sep 6, 2014 03:47
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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I'm trying to remember who called Sokodjou "Vitor 2: Bigger and Blacker" because it's the perfect description of Overeem
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Sep 6, 2014 04:05
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Were those tear tracks on Reem's face?
♫ ~ ♫ So take a good look at my face
You'll see my nose looks out of place
If you look closer, it's easy to trace
The tracks of my tears ♫ ~ ♫
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Sep 6, 2014 04:13
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Yeah if anyone knows what it was please advise
According to the Dean of Breen, it's Hate or Glory by Gestaffelstein
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Sep 6, 2014 04:36
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- fatherdog
- Feb 16, 2005
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Jacare's wrestling isn't the best and his striking isn't the best, but both of them are good enough that you have to give them respect, and both of them lead right into his ground game which IS the best.
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- fatherdog
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Reem/Nelson after he loses to Hunt
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