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Hello I would like to join this game.
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# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 06:14 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 08:59 |
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Confirmed. Falling in line with my motto 'if it ain't smothered in garlic, I won't eat it', my best bread is a soft garlic bread with a hard crust.
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# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 23:33 |
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Adus posted:are bagels really bread, though? they're some sort of mutant amalgamation as far as i'm concerned. I wasn't allowed to have bagels growing up because my mom thought pretty much the same thing.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 04:30 |
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Strong Mouse posted:If we are counting bagels as bread, does that mean cinnamon rolls are as well? I was going to say cinnamon rolls for my bread, but then I figured they wouldn't count. I feel that would be a little unfair to all the other types of bread, since cinnamon rolls would clearly wipe the floor with them.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 05:11 |
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm still going with Prop! Not because I'm super sure she's scum or anything but until I hear non-bread related things I feel like my gut is all I have. That said, there's plenty of time for discussion. I get the vibe they're town, if only because their posts seem lighthearted but not forced. Not to mention there wasn't much going on before PM went full bread.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 23:13 |
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Mr. Maltose posted:That is a good point, since this is Most Newest Mafia the appeal to lurk out as scum may be too tempting. Well, I know in my case I'm just afraid of saying something regular stupid as opposed to scum stupid. Especially since the last time I used a forum I was 13. And it was a forum for a comic about anthro cats.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 23:38 |
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TwelveBaud posted:
I don't see calling out the lurkers as particularly scummy, especially if the intent was to get them to post more which is what it looked like to me. Am I completely off-base here?
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 00:49 |
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soscannonballs posted:The only thing thats happened so far that I thought was interesting was people going back to bread chat after Murmur Twin started trying to make a case. As far as lurker chat goes, in the other games I played the consensus was that lurker lynches were usually a bad idea because its easy and doesn't give town something to go back and look at in the later days to make connections. Hmm, that return to bread talk would have been Met, but Murmur Twin directly asked if anyone else had bread things to share after posting their case: Murmur Twin posted:Adus/anyone else, any leads and/or stories about their favorite type of bread?
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 00:53 |
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Not terrible logic. They also asked for leads, but I guess that would be a pretty good way of keeping things ambiguous. They went out of thread to find PMs posting patterns which seems like something you might do if you needed a case and wanted to appear to be making a good town effort. That combined with the return to bread could indicate something?
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 01:23 |
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To be honest, Met, I think you're posting about as much as the other newbies.
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 05:49 |
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Met posted:Unless they want us to think that and are actually money... unless they knew we'd think that. Does money = scum?
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 05:51 |
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Met posted:I'm 12 hours off of EST. I'm up all night, baby. Oh crap, apologies for completely missing the 'Australia' bit in your one post. Now things are making more sense.
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 06:30 |
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Met posted:That was just a joke on the Wallace Shawn character going off on some tangent about Australia while trying to figure out which glass was poisoned. Oh God... Then never mind... I am an idiot...
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 06:50 |
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Murmur Twin posted:
Keep in mind, I have absolutely nothing to go off of except my own intuition when it comes to scummy behavior. I can't use scum modus operandi to make my cases since I have no idea what it looks like, which leaves me with 'what doesn't make sense right now for someone to be doing?' The problem is that I've been afraid I'd mistake town behaviour for scum behaviour. I've been asking questions so that I know I am not barking up the wrong tree. Essentially I am trying to use questions like 'am I completely off base?' to say 'is this opinion really stupid guys?' As for defending people, I have mostly been discussing PM and that's because I was getting a pretty solid town read off of her. It makes things a bit easier if we can figure out who to rule out for now. And I wasn't sure yet! But things are starting to get more intense now, and I think I've got a few ideas.
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 21:19 |
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Murmur Twin posted:May I ask specifically who, if anyone, you think is scummiest right now? Met looked suspicious to me earlier. Originally when I called them out, as seen above, I was just pointing out that they also were on par with us newbies at that point. But after I posted it I realized that most of the newbies had at least been posting about game related stuff and seemed engaged. That set off alarm bells. I was waiting for Met to post more and they did last night at which point they explained that they live in a different time zone. But then after they got online they were still posting a bunch of nothing which confirmed stuff for me. At that point I was away from my computer and tired, so I figured I'd post in the morning. Then I slept in until 3 by accident. TwelveBaud's whole butter thing against PM was so weird that I really have no idea. I would vote vote Met before them. I don't know if I'd vote Murmur Twin out this round. I know it would benefit me to say they've been acting super scummy but there isn't enough there for me to feel it's conclusive. There were a couple things that seemed off, but they've been making their own cases and they haven't been fixated on any one person as far as I can tell.
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 21:20 |
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soscannonballs posted:Met did have an opportunity though. I think the rest of us are making a pretty solid effort at looking for scum, and there was information circling that he could have made an argument from when he posted. I'm unimpressed so far, and of course I am willing to change my mind if he posts some meaningful stuff tonight, but he's firmly topping my list at the moment.
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 22:54 |
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(oh god, can someone help me, i don't know how to cast a vote, do i just do two pound signs and bold it? does it automatically bold?)
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 01:27 |
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soscannonballs posted:I feel like we have a pretty good chance of hitting scum if we disregard the top and bottom two posters and examine those who remaining. Here is the list as of right now: If there are two scum in the whole group, and you take a sample of over half group, of course there's a good chance of hitting scum. This doesn't tell us anything at all. Anyway, I'm gonna ##vote Met based on my reasoning from my earlier post.
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 01:43 |
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I'm fine with switching to Twelvebaud, if that's our pick. ##unvote Met ##vote TwelveBaud
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 03:03 |
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soscannonballs posted:That was a very dumb hammer vote. My thoughts exactly. I was under the impression we were waiting to hear from our voting candidates before slamming things down.
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 06:04 |
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Propaganda Machine posted:but neither of them showed up. I thought we had over an hour left. At the risk of being accused of asking too many questions, is it normally considered bad to wait until the final hour when voting in mafia?
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 06:08 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Red flags here. Can you explain what you mean by 'it would benefit me'? You were making a case against me, PM was making one arguing that you might be scum and that you were trying to incriminate the two of us. If I had said 'YEAH, Murmur Twin sure is acting scummy!' then your case against me would seem less sound. But I didn't feel you were acting as scummy as PM seemed to think you were.
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 18:29 |
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Met posted:
Yeah, after I voted and then TwelveBaud was hammered quick as hell I definitely regretted switching so quickly. It was an unwise move on my part, and it I later realized it opened the floor to scum players switching or voting and feeling safer about it. I'm still learning, though, and I should've trusted my gut more when I was voting. If I were scum I never would have made that move for fear of people accusing me. But frankly, that has not been something I have had to worry about other than the passing thought of 'oh man, I hope they don't accidentally vote ME out'. Also, TwelveBaud was my second pick anyway. I definitely felt there was less to go on with them than there was with you, Met, but I was way less sure about every other player in the game and we were establishing that it was important to not end up in a situation where nobody was voted out.
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 18:33 |
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Murmur Twin posted:
What, that it would benefit me? It would've. Not to mention that you, Murmur, were the one putting me in the line of fire last time. It's a weird topsy-turvy game you're playing here, as far as I see it. Why would I have not just gone ahead and argued alongside PM for voting you out, were I scum? Like I said before, it would have made your case against me look weaker, and there would be no reason to point out it was a move that benefitted me. Also, when you are town self-preservation does play a part in your game, even if it is not the top priority. Maybe I'm still too naive at this point, but I've been playing under the impression that the town killing each other is bad, and have thus thought about what would benefit me in terms of not being booted from the game, as I am part of the town. Am I overly concerned about being accused? No, if the other townies end up killing me off they'll at least realize they done goofed, and that they need to rethink things. I'm starting to wonder if you don't think of me as a threat that needs to be eliminated since I supported PM on certain things and you seem to have had some interest in voting her off. And since the general read on PM is town, maybe you think it's best to immediately follow Mets actions with someone who looks worse in the town's eyes at the moment.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 00:17 |
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I'm phone posting, so I'm not gonna quote, but I realized that in that last paragraph the language I used made it sound like I meant ''does not see me as a threat' when I meant the opposite. Apologies if that was confusing.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 01:10 |
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Murmur Twin posted:
When I first read the above post I then moved on to your later post and addressed that one instead, but I can address this one too because the more I read your arguments against me, the more suspicious I get. At first I thought 'Well, I'd better tell Murmur what my motivations were' but now I'm wondering a whole lot more about your motivations. So the first outlined scenario was: I'm town and I think you're town - But I had my doubts about you being town, as seen in this quote which you yourself quoted earlier so you'd be hard-pressed to argue you forgot. The Carpet Shark posted:I don't know if I'd vote Murmur Twin out this round. I know it would benefit me to say they've been acting super scummy but there isn't enough there for me to feel it's conclusive. There were a couple things that seemed off, but they've been making their own cases and they haven't been fixated on any one person as far as I can tell. While I wasn't comfortable voting you out because I felt there was too high a risk at that point, I was definitely not convinced of your innocence. And of course shifting the lynch off of myself would have been beneficial: the only person who I know is town is myself! How could I possibly guarantee you're town, even if I wasn't doubting it at the time? But you weren't in my very top picks, so even though I was not convinced of your towniness I wasn't about to point my finger at you. So scenario two: I'm town and I think you're scum - You might assume we would hear a case, but that is, you know, an assumption. Remember, a few of us here are REALLY new. Feeling out all the nuances of the tipping point from 'vague scum vibe' to 'I bet this person is scum!' is a tough business so I think even if it's not ideal for the game in general that a few of us have been more hesitant to make cases, I definitely don't see it as an automatic downvote into SCUM TERRITORY. It looks like you were trying to erroneously rule out options so that you could more easily point to me as scum. And if I were scum it would benefit me to discredit you - but I didn't.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 06:01 |
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Also I don't want to count my chicks before they hatch but it's interesting to see that the voting inclination has broken out perfectly into people who I semi-trusted and people who I didn't trust at all. Take what you will from that.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 06:10 |
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Murmur Twin posted:If you're town, act like town! Can you please make a case on the person you think is scummiest? If it's me that's totally fine, just please have better reasons that are better than hypothetical situations? Show me that you're reading the game hunting for clues. Saying things like 'if you're town act like town!' is really frustrating. I get that my case wasn't up to your standards. That's fine, it's on me to make a good case. But trying to prod me into behaving like a better town person doesn't work when I have no basis for how to do so. How am I supposed to know what thing you are next going to decide isn't just the right shade of town for you? Like the time I asked a question?? I have navigated this game honestly, albeit foolishly, and I really am trying my best. I apologise to you, Murmur, and the rest of you, if I am being too irritating with my lack of understanding of the nuances of the game, and I am glad to be playing because I am learning.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 07:28 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Quick time-out here: Don't worry, I wasn't upset that I'm on your list nor did I think you were targeting me for a personal reason. And I definitely appreciated what you wrote, Murmur. I think I did indeed forgot I was supposed to be having fun with this, and the game started to overwhelm me a bit. I'm going to try and clear my head and take things more lightly from now on. That being said, I'm going out to dinner tonight for my father's birthday and I'm not going to be available again until tomorrow morning. I hope you guys all have a good night!
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 20:23 |
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Met posted:
I know the Mod personally and was aware he was at work at the time, so I figured that since the nature of the game is for new players to learn, someone might be able to help me out. Then I figured it out myself because I looked at the little BBcode article and discovered that square brackets work here, as opposed to <b>.
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# ¿ Sep 13, 2014 19:32 |
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Met has made an argument against me that seemed reasonable in it's logic, but his later backing of essentially 'you're all dumb if you don't think my opinions are correct' was pretty weak. My worry is that he's actually just a bit of a grumpy dude, but if he's not I would bet he's scum trying to sound assertive and make us feel foolish and second-guess ourselves when we don't agree with him. I could vote his way. Strong Mouse gave me a town vibe at the beginning of this game, but as soscannonballs pointed out, they've really been jumping around with their opinions and never seem to want to settle on saying anything that hasn't been prompted by other players. I am nervous about voting this way, so I'm going to give the thread another re-read. I'm inclined to believe soscannonballs is town. Since I was unable to glean anything personal from their posts I found them the most confusing player in terms of whether they were scum or town, and earlier this led me to distrust them a whole lot. Their actions, though, have all fallen in line with a town game as far as I can see, and have for the most part made sense to me. Since actions speak louder than a brusque posting style I feel their case against Strong Mouse is genuine. Another thing worrying me is that Strong Mouse is voting for Met. D:
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 02:33 |
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Well, I mean I'm super hesitant to vote with Murmur or Strong Mouse but since they're on either side now it doesn't really matter anymore and I kind of just have to go with my gut. I'm going to go with ##vote Met despite the fact that Met and Murmur would both love to both chime in with how I am clearly PM's scumbro. I've naturally got a level of distrust for people voting me out, and while I think his reason for pointing suspicion my way didn't read scummy to me, it seems weird to use that as the sole point for voting against me and I can't help but wonder about the 'you fools!' attitude he's taken.
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 03:01 |
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Adus posted:well i guess if i were to vote met now it would bring the hammer down and we still have 50 minutes. i imagine he can't post right now? seems kinda lame that he gets so few chances to defend himself but my feelings aren't particularly strong toward anyone else. Yeah, I'm kind of concerned that we keep voting people who can't for whatever reason get in to discuss things? But I just don't feel confident with Strong Mouse, and a no-lynch with so few people seems like a really bad idea!
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 03:21 |
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In the meantime I'll say, re-reading the Strong Mouse posts I am actually now super unsure and am feeling they might be scum! I know sos pointed out the whole saying TwelveBaud didn't feel scummy and then switching and starting the vote against them thing, but I sometimes have trouble parsing long passages of information so when I went over the the whole thread myself, I caught that same thing and it stuck out to me so much. I know they defended it with a fourteen hour time difference, but it still seems strange to me to cast that original vote instead of waiting, especially when we had so much time left that time, I don't know. What are you guys thinking right now?
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 03:32 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Same thing I said to Carpet Mouse: all I am doing is trying to determine whose role PMs say butter instead of bread. Oh no, I hope you have not been getting us mixed up too much! (I do understand why you would though, they are kind of similar names)
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 03:47 |
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Adus posted:to vote strong mouse would essentially be assuming that pm is scum as well since she's his only real possible partner at this point. or so it seems? Well, if Strong Mouse flips town it'll confirm for me that Murmur's scum. If Strong Mouse flips scum then I'm definitely thinking PM is scum. And this: Murmur Twin posted:
Is actually something I have been wondering about, and has been keeping PM on my radar!
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 03:55 |
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Met posted:We have no scum down yet to compare, but Carpet Shark and Props are playing off each other while throwing accusations at every person going by to see what sticks. I call bragging points if they both turn out to be scum. Shame on one if the other is scum and leading them on. I made the following post at the end of Day 2 but didn't end up posting it because of the time constraints and I was going back and forth so much on whether I felt Strong Mouse or Met was scum. But apparently these three posts were the glaring indicators of my scumbro alliance with PM- [quote="”The Carpet Shark”" post="”434671802”"] I don’t see calling out the lurkers as particularly scummy, especially if the intent was to get them to post more which is what it looked like to me. Am I completely off-base here? [/quote] [quote="”The Carpet Shark”" post="”434668055”"] I get the vibe they’re town, if only because their posts seem lighthearted but not forced. Not to mention there wasn’t much going on before PM went full bread. [/quote] [quote="”The Carpet Shark”" post="”434707200”"] As for defending people, I have mostly been discussing PM and that’s because I was getting a pretty solid town read off of her. It makes things a bit easier if we can figure out who to rule out for now. [/quote] And I guess also the fact that PM said she got a town vibe off me. My real question is why would scum vote PM? A few people mentioned she was going to look pretty suspicious if Strong Mouse flipped scum, so why would they eliminate someone the town had established they might vote for?
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 05:57 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Given that sos played a huge rule in getting Monkey lynched, and that Met is the person that known scum Monkey was trying to target, I feel very confident that the two of them are town. Jesus, Murmur, how high are you? Anyway, your post has definitely given me some food for thought.
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 06:38 |
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Adus posted:4. they figured we'd guess a scum would not make the hammer vote on their own ally and therefore come to the conclusion that PM was most certainly town therefore making her the most appealing choice to kill. If PM had survived I would have thought that the last minute switch by PM was because I was going to switch to Strong Mouse, and she just wanted to take the opportunity to look good if her partner was pretty much guaranteed to go down anyway. Of course, this wasn't the case but I don't think it's too difficult to logic out, so I was pretty shocked to see PM go. I don't know, it just feels really weird.
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 06:40 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 08:59 |
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Murmur Twin posted:My theory is that Adus thought that Carpet Shark was going to vote for Strong Mouse, so he was trying to reinforce the notion that PM and Mouse were scum together. That way, me/Met/Shark/sos all vote and hammer Strong Mouse and it's a super easy sell to frame PM on D3. I think that she messed up this plan by beating Shark to the hammer and leaving him without someone to frame. Then he got nervous, overthought it, and nked PM, thinking we wouldn't suspect PM anymore once she had switched for scummy Strong Mouse. I suppose that last minute switch might not ping your radar as possibly scummy if you knew who the scum were. I'm digging this, it seems to answer my question pretty darn well!
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 06:56 |