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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Please no death millers

##holiday Sesame Day

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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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I'm hoping Sesame means Sesame Street so we have alphabetise our posts

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Hmmm.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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##trick merk

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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100YrsofAttitude posted:

Rarity trick on you and absence is slightly suspect but that's lurker logic.

I'm British. I was working and then drinking.

Ok so, thoughts.

##holiday ADD Appreciation Day (or whatever it's called)

I disagree that scum would want to hoard their candies. Early D1 vigs are far more likely to hit town than scum. At the end of the day, the risk of giving away candies is worth the rewards of knocking off a town player, plus the town cred of looking generous. I haven't given away any of my candy and I'm not going to. As far as I'm concerned there's only one player in this game that's confirmed town and that's me. I don't want candy to go to scum so I'm not giving it away.

Krell trying to mafia dad merk of all people is the most hilarious loving thing.

I tricked merk because I wanted to get the ball rolling. I tricked merk specifically because he was the player I most wanted to read a reaction from. The fact he brushed it off instead of making a thing of it makes me feel good about him. Also, I like how Byers was unwilling to let me race into an early candy lead and took steps to balance it out.

My biggest scum read so far is Dragonatrix for only really posting setup discussion. 100yrs is trying really hard to look like he is sacrificing his own benefit for the good of town. I don't like uranus's use of his vig.

##vote Dragonatrix

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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uranus posted:

rarity are you scum

I wish.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Puntification posted:

Has dragonatrix played mafia before? They don't have any games listed on votefinder.

Oh wait, is he new?

##vote 100yrs

Ok, Dragon guy, let's give you a chance. What do you think or uranus and merk's use of their vig?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Dragonatrix posted:

Bit pre-emptive, but considering D1 can only really go on gut instinct right now.

That said, while the vig use wasn't inherently suspect, merk's explanation after the fact doesn't sit right with me. I don't think the intent as 100yrs put it is the problem on its own, it's the fervour with which he seems to want to be confirmed town that comes off as a bit, well, off. Really the attempt to go out of your way to be confirmed town is hard to justify in a non-scum manner, since that's something someone who is scum would want to do, after all it gives them a decent amount of towncred and the apparent confirmation is hard to shake off, and the candy setup gives them a golden opportunity to do just that.

Uranus's just funny which is a good way to hide in plain sight. Also makes it hard to be suspicious because (and this might just be me here) it's hard to distinguish some jokes from serious slipups. Metajoke calls are obviously jokes and in no way suspect or distracting.

I can understand merk's lynch of BN because he's one of the scummiest players on SA so whether town or scum it saves us wasting a whole bunch of time discussing him. If I was going to vig a player before any of us had posted, I'd vig BN. uranus, on the other hand, immediately rushed into a vig based on barely any information with the most spurious of justifications.

Is there mafia history with Token Female I'm not aware of?

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Oct 21, 2010

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I don't like uranus doubling down on his scum read. Has anyone here ever felt confident of a scum read on page 4 of a game?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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100YrsofAttitude posted:

I did earlier when I told merk I'd rather he shoot no one.

In regards to my "non cases", there's a reason why I haven't voted. I've been trying to air out my thoughts and just write down my perception of things. Maybe I should have more conviction? But as everyone readily sees most of my thoughts are pretty empty, at least they're nothing I would be able to vote on with confidence, especially cause when playing mafia my number 1 rule is that I'm always wrong. It wasn't an attempt to vote leap behind anyone else either. At any rate the way Dragon moved his vote over onto me is suspicious because he first says he gets what I'm saying but then votes me anyway. I could see a scum team between them and rarity whose earlier vote on Dragon just gets switched because Dragon's new. Rarity's reason to vote BN is awful and it's just buddying up to merk. Would vote either and will ##vote Rarity.

Of course I switch if Dragon is new. We don't D1 lynch first time players.

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Oct 21, 2010

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Harold Krell posted:

All you're doing is just tunneling on me for whatever reason, and quite frankly, all of this ignorance and attacks on my personal character is pissing me off. Please, remember to show some respect in the future before you consider posting again, understand?

Dude, it's mafia. Get over it. Questioning people's character is the point of the game. Maybe quit blustering about being besmirched and play some mafia. You say that the two vig kills are solid pieces of evidence. How about you share your analysis of that evidence?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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I think that's an overly simplistic way of looking at things. Town shoots town all the drat time when they have vigs.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Ok, so I looked a little closer at the candy levels and I had a thought. There are three players who have lost candy, merk and uranus who gained candy and Somber who claims to have given away candy.

Dragonatrix gave away 2 candy (unclaimed)
Big Nothing gave away 1 candy (but he's dead now so that's irrelevant)
ApostateCourier gave 2 candy (1 to Punt, 1 to Ernie)

First things first, Dragonatrix you should claim who you gave your candy to. If that person ends up flipping scum then that confirms you as town. Now AC says she gave candy to Punt and Ernie, which means in theory that they should each have given away 1 piece of candy as well. However, there's this:

uranus posted:

yeah it told me i ate them all as soon as i got them, i just didnt see my pm till this morning

If AC had gifted Ernie a piece of candy then that would have taken him up to 4. He would have eaten them automatically and he wouldn't have had a chance to give one away so he could drop back down to 3. In other words, AC is lying.

##vote ApostateCourier

merk, did you get the same PM as uranus?

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Oct 21, 2010

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Ernie. posted:

merk i'll cut you a deal

vig uranus if i give you a candy

##unvote

##vote uranus

Hang on I missed this post from before AC gave away her candy

Still working on a full list of treat claims but I'll go back to my original vote for now. ##vote 100yrs

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Puntification posted:

byers and/or somb give candy to ernie.

Where are you getting this from?

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Oct 21, 2010

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Someone needs to claim uranus's 2nd gifted candy.

Puntification posted:

It's a request not a statement rarity, it'd give ernie a vig without putting people on 0 - town should try to avoid zeroing themselves as it might tip off scum to who have PRs and who don't. I guess you and harold could do it as well but I didn't notice your count and I doubt he'd want to join in.

I'd rather not risk having town be down 3 players on D1, personally.

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Oct 21, 2010

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Puntification posted:

I thought byers claimed it?

I miss things when you call him spacebutt

Ok, here's the whole list of candy treats. Not in order cause that would be way too confusing.

BN -> merk
Ernie -> merk
AC -> Ernie
AC -> Punt
Dragonatrix -> Byers
Somber -> merk
Punt -> merk
Punt -> uranus
Byers -> uranus
Dragonatrix -> AC (unclaimed but this is the only way the candy totals work)

I think Punt, AC and Dragonatrix all look suspicious from this. Like I said before, I think scum would want to be giving away their candy. I especially don't like Punt pushing for a third vig.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Puntification posted:

Please demonstrate that wouldn't town want to give away candy too.

I've said this before too. I want town to have the candy. There is one player in this game I know is town. Me. Hence why I want my candy to stay with me. Is everyone going to follow this logic? No. There's no way all three of you, AC and Dragon are scum but I think it's likely that at least one of you is.

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Oct 21, 2010

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Ernie, are you scum with AC?

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Oct 21, 2010

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If you never gave merk candy then the only way it can work is if Dragonatrix gave his second treat to merk and AC is lying about giving a piece to you.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Ok, stick with me here.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

100yrs- 1
Apostate- 2
BN- 1
Byers- 2
Dragon- 3
Ernie- 3
Karold- 2
Merk- 0
Punt-2
Rarity- 2
Somber- 3
Token- 2
Uranus- 3

Taking tricks into account this is the original candy tally (I added Punt's trick on AC)

Little Mac posted:

Official Candy Tally

100yrsofattitude - 1
Apostatecourier - 1
Big nothing - 0
Byers2142 - 1
Dragonatrix - 3
Ernie - 3
Harold Krell - 2
Merk - 3
Puntification - 1
Rarity - 2
Somberbrero - 3
Token Female - 2
Uranus - 5

This is the first candy update we got (I added the 4 that uranus turned into a vig). First thing to note is that there's 27 total instead of 26. The total from the next update is 26 again so it looks like Mac just screwed up and forgot to knock one off somebody's total after a treat. Given the amount of confusion regarding Somber's tally, I think it's safe to say that's where the mistake is. Therefore we get from the trick tally to this tally with the following claims:

BN -> merk
Somber -> merk
Punt -> merk
AC -> Punt
Punt -> uranus
Byers -> uranus

Little Mac posted:

Official Candy Tally

100YrsofAttitude 1
apostateCourier 1
Big Nothing 0
Byers2142 2
Dragonatrix 1
Ernie. 3
Harold Krell 2
merk 4
Puntification 1
Rarity 2
Somberbrero 2
Token Female 2
uranus 5

And then we come to the second official tally (I added 4 for merk's vig as well). The difference between the two tallies is have Byers (+1), Dragon (-2) and merk (+1). We know Dragon gave 1 to Byers so that accounts for that, leaving the only mysteries as what happened to Dragon's second treat and who gifted merk his final candy. With the claims on the table there are two possibilities:

1. Ernie treats merk, Dragonatrix treats AC, AC treats Ernie
2. Dragonatrix treats merk, AC doesn't treat Ernie

Conclusion: Either Ernie is lying about not treating merk or AC is lying about treating Ernie. Logically, there is the possibility Dragonatrix treated someone else with candy that ended up looping it's way round to merk but nobody's claimed any treats that would allow it so unless they do I'm discounting that.

Conclusion to the Conclusion: If AC's lying then there's one very clear reason for it. Scum can't treat scum so one of them flipping scum would make the other confirmed town. I haven't got a good reason for why Ernie would be lying.

Dragon, can you check your sent PMs and figure out what happened to your second treat?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Dragonatrix posted:

Current totals are at 19 so not only did one go missing, but at least one more has been added somewhere too.

Nope, we're at 18 and you've definitely treated two people.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Little Mac posted:

There is a slight miscount in the numbers, but it's not too far off from what I've posted. Not sure where the mixup is, but I apologize.

1. merk 0
2. Somberbrero 1
3. uranus 0
4. 100YrsofAttitude 1
5. apostateCourier 0
6. Dragonatrix 2
7. Byers2142 2
8. Puntification 1
9. Rarity 2
12. Ernie. 1
13. Harold Krell 2

Well that's 12 total and that makes no sense whatsoever. I'm done with this. Imagine me tearing up a notebook.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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I modded Punt's first scum game. He was really good, he's not going to make newbie mistakes.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Little Mac, will you post a final candy tally when day ends?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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I just looked up C9++. That is one convoluted as hell way of setting up a mafia

No survivors though. I'm ending the day to limit potential town casualties. ##vote Somberbrero

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