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The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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DonnieBravo posted:

I'm thinking of buying an iPhone 6 in a week or two in Australia, but now I'm reading that the new model will most probably be announced early September. As I haven't really been following the prior iPhone releases, is there normally a price drop after a new announcement? Should I wait for the announcement to buy my new phone? Also if anyone from Australia could weigh in about carriers and which is the best I'd appreciate it, I'm currently open to any carrier.

Buying a phone outright is pretty silly - you get far better value buying on Contract, at which point a nominal price drop isn't worth it compared to just buying the new iphone.

To give you an example:

On Telstra, an iphone 6 costs $88 /month on a small plan (1gb of data per month, along with unlimited texts and $550 worth of calls) or $96 per month on a medium plan (2.5gb of data and $1000 worth of calls) - note that even a small plan will likely provide you with more call credit than anyone could possibly use unless they used their phone for work and were making calls all day long, so you're really just comparing data. Telstra plans go all the way up to XL, which offers 10gb of data for $139.

The previous model iphone, the 5S, on the other hand costs $76 per month on a small plan, $80 on a medium plan, all the way up to $135 on an XL plan - basically the difference is gently caress all. you can expect a similar situation with the new iphone vs the current iphone 6.

To buy an iphone 6 outright, you'd be spending a minimum of $1000, and then you'd still have to pay $55/month for a small BYO plan; $70/month for a medium BYO plan, all the way up to $135 for the large byo plan - so basically on a medium plan you're getting that $1000 iphone for 24 $10 installments.
As far as carriers go:

Telstra has far and away the best coverage, and internet speeds of any carrier by a fair margin (I can get as much as 100 megabits down/ 50 up in some places), but you'll pay through the nose for that privilege. If you aren't living in a major capital city, you should stick with Telstra.

Optus is the second best carrier, with decent speeds (and their new 4g network is supposed to be quite fast) and pretty good coverage - you'll likely never have a coverage issue if you're in urban Brisbane/Sydney/Melbourne/etc, and even in most towns you should be ok. expect coverage to become poo poo really quickly outside of those areas though.

You do get much better plans though - Compared to telstra, for an iphone 6, with optus you'd pay $77 for 3gb, $82 for 6gb, or $100 for 10gb. Optus also lets you pool your data allowance from all devices that you have optus plans for at no additional cost.

Vodafone had a really rough patch a few years ago, where they were hemorrhaging customers because their network was total garbage, and even major cities were full of blackspots. They've since invested huge amounts of money into improving their network and I suspect they're on par with optus at least now - plus their lower customer base means a less congested network . That being said, I don't think I'd risk them unless they were cheaper than optus, and they currently aren't.

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The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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So if I want a 6S plus on the first day they are available for sale, should I try to preorder one, or just go to the nearest apple store when it opens?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Thwomp posted:

Preorder.

do you then pick it up in store on launch day?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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I take it then if I actually want a phone on the launch day itself, I'd have to line up in an apple store right? from what you guys have just said, I'd be waiting days or weeks after the launch if I order from apple.

Note I'm also in Australia, if there are any Australian goons who can relate their past experiences with iphone launches. As a current Windows Phone user, I've never had to deal with other people actually wanting to buy the same phone as me before.

What are the queues like? do they typically sell out well before the end of the day?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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That's kinda promising. I've been led to understand that most carrier stores won't sell iphones outright in the first few weeks post release - only on a new contract, so my only in person option is apple I believe, and some googling of the iphone 6 launch talks of people camped out 3 days ahead and queues stretching for blocks. I really can't be hosed doing that. It would be annoying enough just having to wake up before midday.

The Lord Bude
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Endless Mike posted:

So just order it and get it when you get it? It's just a phone, man.

Well yes, but I'm thoroughly sick of my current phone, and getting it sooner is more desireable than later.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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You didn't have the willpower to wait like 2 more weeks?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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The apple australia site just has a message rotating through a bunch of languages saying 'our virtual doors are about to open, it won't be long now'. Preorders were supposed to start 16 minutes ago, what's taking so long!

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Australian store is up! bought a 64gb gold 6S plus!

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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fordan posted:

If you want to use Apple's upgrade program.
If you don't want the phone delivered to the billing address of the wireless account.
If you want to trade in your old phone to Apple.
If you are scared of unboxing technology alone and want/need an Apple Store employee to hold your hand during the process.

You forgot:

If you crave the 'atmosphere' of spending an evening camped out in a giant queue in front of an apple store.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Quantum of Phallus posted:

I'm from Ireland and U.S. data plans are literally criminal. I pay the equivalent of around $30 a month for unlimited data/texts/same network calls and other networks are free on weekends.

In Australia a sim only contract from our highest quality carrier is $95 for 6gb.

I typically get LTE speeds around 80-100 megabits though.

The Lord Bude
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IuniusBrutus posted:

I need to be able to get my email for work, so yeah, gotta be a smartphone. I found a 5S for $200 - I might just use that until the battery becomes completely unacceptable, and then go from there.

Just buy a Lumia 532 or something for $50 - it won't be comparable to the flagship experience you're used to but email on windows phones is excellent, and entry level windows phones are smooth and responsive and perfectly usable, unlike say low end android handsets.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Has anyone done a proper comparison of the different content blockers yet?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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tuyop posted:

Re: keyboard guy: I haven't spent much time with an android stock keyboard, and I've never actually seen a Windows phone in real life, so you could be right.

Do manufacturer skins also include keyboards, usually? Because that might also be the problem. It just seems to me as well that there's a problem to fix on Android. I've never had any trouble typing on iOS, and if I did I would want to fix that with a different keyboard, since android users want to fix it, I imagine there must be a problem, but that's not necessarily true.

I also hear people bitching all the time about their android keyboards, and they seem more clumsy with them when I take the time to notice, fwiw.

As a current windows phone haver, the keyboard will be the one thing I miss when I make my jump tomorrow - the suggestion and autocorrect functionality is superior, and in portrait mode you have a comma and a full stop on either side of the space bar - plus you can long press to get other common punctuation.

The Lord Bude
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Courier just delivered my 6S plus - I'm excited to finally be joining you guys here, after a pleasant, but somewhat desolate past couple of years on Team Windows.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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various cheeses posted:

So with Crystal now allowing advertisers to pay to get on a whitelist and Peace pulled from the app store, what adblockers are you guys planning to use?

Also how hard is it to get a refund from the app store?

If you're wondering about Peace I believe apple has announced they are automatically refunding everyone who bought it (or at least that's what was reported in my local newspaper today).

noirstronaut posted:

lol

I got to the Apple Store at like 8:30 or something. The dude there told me that they couldn't accept AT&T payments (I decided to go with Next and pay off one phone) so I had to go to the AT&T store. Cool, they have one in the mall. I get there, the dude is like "We have phones here, you can just get it here if you wanna" so I do exactly that after paying off the phone. Literally no line, store had 250 phones.

It was a new "AT&T Experience" store which was realllllllly nice. Took some obvious cues from Apple but replaced steel with wood.

Anyway, that's my store about how I left and returned to my house all within 30 minutes.


e: Also, it's the Mall in Columbia, MD in case anyone is wondering.

I too enjoy laughing at the sillies who wait in a line for hours. I spent 5 mins preordering my phone, and it arrived at my house at 10 am - there would likely have been people waiting at the nearest apple store when the doors opened at 8 am who were still waiting in line. All it took me was about 10 minutes of effort and the indignity of having to be awake at 10 in the morning, and even that is tolerable once I get a half dozen or so shots of coffee in me.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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dialectics posted:

I just did this last night. It's pretty cool. You download the Apple Store app, click the pay option, scan the barcode with your camera and pay. A receipt pops up and there's a little message about asking a specialist if you'd like a bag. Wife for sure thought we'd get stopped on the way out but nothing happened. Painless.

I'm amazed you made it more than 5 feet into the store without a staff member asking you if you needed anything. Every time I've ever been into an apple store they have an insane staff to customer ratio -even staff per square meter. They usually have like 20 staff. It's pretty impressive the way they all whip out their iphones and complete your transaction then and there though.

The Lord Bude
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

You gotta remember the venue dude :ssh:

I have to say I love the battery saver mode that iOS 9 prompts you to turn on when the battery hits 20%. Perfect for those times when it's the end of the day and I haven't quite made it to bed where I plug my phone in for the night.

Windows phone does it better though - It automatically comes on when your battery hits a user defined percentage.

The Lord Bude
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:

That's not better. That's different. I prefer it asking imo.

Asking only works if your phone happens to be on your person. Although I suppose iOS doesn't suffer from the typical Windows phone scenario of random app in the background suddenly deciding 'gently caress you imma eat your battery' and next thing you know your phone is hot to the touch and battery capacity went down 70% in half an hour while you were in the kitchen putting together a spot of lunch.

I've got to say I'm pretty impressed with the battery life of my 6S plus in general - I took it off the charger before I went to bed, 9 hours later when I woke up it was at 97% (My windows phone would drop 10-15% overnight, despite email not being set to push, and not having any always on type stuff like 'hey Siri' ) then after spending an hour and a half out for my breakfast/coffee, during which time I was surfing the web or browsing the forum, and playing music over bluetooth in my car, it's now at 87%. My old phone (which had a larger battery) would be around 65 - 70%.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Jeherrin posted:

Thanks for the figures. There's always a disconnect between app size and how much it actually uses.

Will it change my usage habits? I don't know, but I doubt it. I spend my working hours in front of a screen, and have little drive to continue working with an (even smaller) screen out of my self-imposed office hours. In all the years of working with WP, I've never even watched Netflix or iPlayer on it. Small-screen content consumption isn't really my style. I tend to use my phone more as a PDA than for entertainment, and that's how it's always been.

That being said, your question is one I've been considering. Moving from WP to iOS represents a not insignificant increase in my monthly phone bill, so I just want to be sure I don't buy something that's far beyond my needs.

I want to reiterate that I know I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, here. Everyone's input has been hugely appreciated. I am probably overthinking things.

As people have said, please do also keep resale value in mind. Unlike windows and android phones, it's not uncommon to sell iphones for well over 50% of what you paid for them after a couple of years, but very few people will want to buy a 16gb phone now, let alone 2 years from now.

I would suggest that your usage habits may change now that you have a phone with an actual app ecosystem - you may find yourself using your phone in ways you hadn't expected - I certainly did, and I was also a windows phone user until a few days ago.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Haggins posted:

I keep track of paying my bills by using an excel spreadsheet. I just have a simple list of what needs to be paid every month. Bills that haven't been paid are in red font and I change them to black font when they're paid. I make a new tab every month.

I keep this file on a thumb drive attached to my keychain so I can pay and keep track of my bills on my work computer if needed (work blocks google docs). I just thought today that this is stupid and archaic and I should just find an iPhone app to accomplish this simple task. Any suggestions on a good app for doing something simple like this? I don't want to track my spending, have it link to my accounts, or anything fancy. I mean I guess it could have the fancy stuff, I don't just don't want to be required to use it for my simple task.

I'm sure there are a million budget tracking apps, but in the meantime you could always use onenote or excel for iOS - store it on onedrive and keep it synced no matter where you access it from

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Duckman2008 posted:

Yeah, the 6S+ seems to back ordered for a bit. I haven't seen a crazy demand for it, my guess isn't Apple just made a lot more of the 6S for launch.

Also anecdotal, way more people seem to be getting Silver/Gold this year than Space Gray.

Maybe people just like having a white front on their phones.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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shrike82 posted:

Looks like this year's -gate is Apple's dual sourcing of chips from Samsung and TSMC for the S models with the TSMC models having significantly longer battery lives (~2 hours).

Is there an easy way of telling which you have?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Thorpe posted:

I checked mine using this. it's from a decently well known jailbreak dev but it requires installing a profile so use at your own risk etc.

For what it's worth both my white 128gb and my girlfriends black 64gb were both TSMC, purchased at AT&T.

looks like you can also use Lirum Device Info Lite – System Monitor, which is in the app store. If your phone model is N71AP or N66AP, you have a samsung CPU. If it's N71mAP or N66mAP then It's TSMC. Mine is TSMC, which is good, although I suspected as much, since the battery life of this phone is the best of any phone I've ever had.

The Lord Bude
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GutBomb posted:

You guys are giving access to your phone to someone who makes malware simply to see who manufactured some component of your phone to see if you have some "problem" you haven't noticed yet.

I used the app that's in the app store. No way in hell I'd use that other thing that was posted. That's why I posted the safe option.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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TinTower posted:

The CurrentC alliance is loving hilarious.

"I know what the future of mobile payments is! QR codes!"

Besides, anyone saying "Oh, Apple Pay has totally failed" is kind of expecting Apple to only develop for American audiences. In countries with 21st century technology, Apple Pay adoption skyrocketed because the hardware is already there.

Actually, in Australia, where we've had chips for about 7 years, contactless has come standard on all new cards for about 3 years, and signatures stopped being accepted over a year ago, all the banks basically told Apple to gently caress off, because Apple Pay didn't do anything we weren't already doing, and they didn't want to pay apple's cut. Our government puts very strict limits on interchange fees, and is in the process of lowering them further, so they are much much lower than in the US.

The Lord Bude
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Endless Mike posted:

I have an Apple silicone case and it's not sticky at all nor was it ever. Maybe you should stop spilling syrup all over yours.

We all know it's not syrup making it sticky.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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I'm pretty sure that the switch functions as a rotation lock on ipads, and as silence on iphones.

The Lord Bude
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To be fair if you have a case on your phone the 3d touch swipe is an awkward gesture to pull off and it's easier to just double tap the home button, especially on a big phone.

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xzzy posted:

That's okay, Pandora will incorporate Rdio into their product that gets completely ignored by the entire world and as near as I can tell no one actually uses.

But somehow they still have a ton of money to acquire other businesses.

Pandora is the dominant streaming service in Australia from memory. It's certainly the main one that cars have a built in app for. It's ability to accurately work out exactly what I like despite me having a fairly eclectic taste and just streaming good songs without me needing to do anything is certainly very good, but it has a very limited library of songs - about 1.5 million, (compared to >30 million for the other services) and after using it for a few months I became dissatisfied with the variety.

I use Apple Music now and I'm very happy with it.

The Lord Bude
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the panacea posted:

White phone Saddle Brown
Black Phone Black Leather

This is not rocket science guys!


I got a standard brown one for cheap during a sale and am seriously contemplating switching to saddle brown.

I think you're on to something here. Drawing from automotive interior design, I think it's also fairly safe to say that black phone + red case would also work.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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People tend to look at you funny if you clad your kids in saddle brown leather.

The Lord Bude
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cowofwar posted:

If someone really needs to use my phone i hold the phone while they dial and they have to use my ear buds to hear/speak.

No I'm not going to let you hold my $1,200 fragile electronic device which you will steal/ruin.

You allow other people to put headphones which are going to go into your ears into their ears? That's disgusting. I wouldn't even let someone who wasn't a close relative hold my phone up to their ear, let alone do that. Make them use speakerphone.

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dexter6 posted:

I'm confused about the iPhone product line now. I get the SE. Who is the 6/6+ targeted at now?

normal people that can't function with a screen size that society advanced past in 2011.

The Lord Bude
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dexter6 posted:

I think you misread my post. I understand why there is a 6S/6S+. I don't understand why there is a 6/6+.
Oh, OK. got it. haha

I did, but the point still stands really. Iphones are considerably more expensive than android flagships, and plenty of people can't/won't pay for the premium, but also won't use a phone with a 4" screen. Buying a previous gen iphone is a more attractive option to many people on a budget than going with the security/update/3rd party skin clusterfuck that is the android world. I would think that the majority of people buying an iphone SE are doing it because they want a small phone with current specs, not because they can't afford a 6S. I'd be reluctant to recommend a 6 or 6+ to anyone though, given bendgate.

The real apple product that shouldn't exist is the Macbook.

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Endless Mike posted:

This isn't really reality with the way most people buy their phones. Samsung and LG are, by far, the highest selling Android manufacturers and their current/upcoming flagships are both starting at $700. HTC's run around there, too. You can point to Nexus and Moto as lower-cost flagships, but their sales models (direct-to-consumer/unlocked-only) aren't how most people in the US buy their phones, and their unit sales reflect that.

I'm not in the US so I can't comment there. In Australia a galaxy S7 is about $80 cheaper than a 64gb iphone 6s ($1228 vs 1148), a 6S plus costs $1379 (and I'd argue that's the more appropriate comparison given screen sizes). An LG G4 goes for $699 and an HTC is $799. The nexus 6P is $900 and and the 5X is around $580.

Even if you look at 24 month contract prices, (and most people here buy on contract as well, even though it's cheaper to buy outright, and get a sim only plan) you'll see (I'm using an optus as a common point of comparison, on their 6gb of data plan, so price differences reflect the cost per month of handset repayments)

Iphone 6S+ - $105/month
Iphone 6S - $98/month
Galaxy S7 - $85/month
LG G4 - $80/month
Nexus 6P - $80/month

If anything the difference on contract is even more pronounced.

The Lord Bude
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Minidust posted:

How do Apple's leather cases stand up to workout activity? Like will it be cool to stuff it into an armband and go run in the heat. I don't sweat excessively but I guess that shouldn't even matter if the armband is decent.

I'd imagine sweat would penetrate leather - that sounds like it would get pretty disgusting. If I were you I'd buy a silicone case for when you work out and then switch the phone over into a leather case the rest of the time. Or just buy an iPod nano or something for workout music, having a big phone strapped to you while you run is kinda weird.

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Killer_B posted:

Worth it to upgrade from a 4S to an SE, or wait for a 7?

SE seems to be pretty close in size to what I've got currently, I'm thinking about it.

Test a 6S first. The majority of people adapt to a larger screen size very easily - and a 6S is still a very small phone compared to android flagships. The large screen size is a massive quality of life improvement if you use your phone for web surfing or games or multimedia. Get an SE only if you are sure you can't handle a larger phone. My personal opinion is that it's better to upgrade during 'S' years, since new designs always seem to have hardware kinks to be worked out, like the antenna issue on the 4 or the bending issue on the 6.

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BGrifter posted:

That's a marketing slogan if I've ever seen one.

"Lumia 635, the phone for discerning buyers who want to cram their phone up their rear end"

The thicker phones are more satisfying.

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EmmyOk posted:

I've had a 4S for the past two years and just recently it has trouble loading apps so I decided to get an upgrade as I'm due one. My two main choices are an SE and 5S so which do I go for? I'm not too fussed about screen size it's mainly longevity I care about because I'll be in another two year contract.

Definitely don't get a 5S, it's an ancient phone. An SE is more or less the hardware grunt of a 6S in the smaller body of a 5S. I'm not sure why the 6S isn't on your list though - Unless you are absolutely certain you don't want a larger phone, or the 6S will break the bank, you should at least play with one to see if you don't prefer it. Also do the math on buying outright and getting a SIM only plan vs buying the phone on plan. It depends on what country you're in, but the former usually ends up cheaper in the long run (definitely the case here in Australia for example, by several hundred dollars). If you can't afford the lump sum on a phone, remember that apple offers financing if you purchase directly from them - In Australia at least it's interest free.

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