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Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005





Right, so I PMed some mods about the issue of whether weekly threads are really necessary for us, they don't seem to care, and it is a bit of a song and dance doing a new OP every week, so. (If they do, someone can just change the thread title back and we'll carry on with weeklies, right?) Here's your thread for the rest of series 8 (34).

( Last weekly thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3662849 )

Here is an episode listing!

1). Deep Breath by Grand Moff Steven, directed by Ben Wheatley
2). Into the Dalek by Phil Ford & GMS, directed by Ben Wheatley
3). Robot of Sherwood by Mark Gatiss, directed by Paul Murphy
4). Listen by GMS, directed by Douglas Mackinnon
5). Time Heist by Stephen Thompson & GMS, directed by Douglas Mackinnon
6). The Caretaker by Gareth Roberts & GMS, directed by Paul Murphy
7). Kill the Moon by Peter Harness, directed by Paul Wilmshurst
8). Mummy on the Orient Express by Jamie Mathieson, directed by Paul Wilmshurst
9). Flatline by Jamie Mathieson, directed by Douglas Mackinnon
10). In the Forest of the Night by Frank Cottrell Boyce, directed by Sheree Folkson
11). Dark Water by GMS, directed by Rachel Talalay
12). Death in Heaven by GMS, directed by Rachel Talalay

On the subject of spoilers: this thread must by order of the mods be able to cater for those who somehow don't notice when every national newspaper, the Six O'Clock News, and half the internet leads with the headline "MARTHA JONES IS A RUTAN: CONFIRMED!" If you should feel the need to satisfy any weird and unnatural urges to discuss what might be about to happen next before it's been aired, there is a no-holds barred spoiler thread where you can pretend that you aren't all sad, broken people who hate fun and mystery. (Please also note that casting news is explicitly not a spoiler, especially not when the BBC devotes half an hour of primetime coverage to the announcement.)

And it seems like a quick restatement of the First Law of Doctor Who Fans is a necessary thing to have here, so. The First Law of Doctor Who fans says: "No substantive discussion group shall be entirely able to agree on the merits of any given story, not even the 'except X, that just plain sucked/rocked' corollary to this law." A great example of this is the four parts of The Trial of a Time Lord; we generally agree that one of them is a misunderstood classic, one is good harmless fun, and the other two are hideous smelly failures that we should never speak of again. What we can't agree on is the question of which story is which...

So please do bear this in mind before bemoaning THE THREAD HIVEMIND CONSENSUS, because people will make fun of you if you do that, and serve you bloody well right. (Wouldn't that make a great episode title? Or at least a great Big Bang Theory episode title?)

RATINGS GO HERE, IF YOU DON'T CARE, SCROLL RIGHT DOWN

Full explanation of what all this means is in the Deep Breath thread. TL;DR, it's all fine, chill out, people are still watching and loving the show.

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Death in Heaven

Overnights: 5.45 million, a 23.3% share.  AI of 83.
Chart: 3rd for Saturday behind Strictly & The X Factor
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (9.37 million)
Final rating: PENDING

Convictland: 620,000


Dark Water

Overnights: 5.27 million, a 22.4% share.  AI of 85.
Chart: 4rd for Saturday behind Strictly, The X Factor, and Pointless Celebrities
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (7.45 million)
Final rating: 7.34 million

Convictland: 541,000


In the Forest of the Night

Overnights: 5.03 million, a 21.6% share.  AI of 83.
Chart: 3rd for Saturday behind Strictly and The X Factor
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (7.34 million)
Final rating: 6.92 million, 20th for the week

Convictland: 566,000


Flatline

Overnights: 4.55 million, 19.5% share.  AI of 85
Chart: 4th for Saturday behind Strictly, The X Factor & Pointless Celebrities
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (7.71 million)
Final rating: 6.71 million, 23rd for the week; pushed out by The Apprentice & Downton

Convictland: 971,000


Mummy on the Orient Express

Overnights: 5.08 million, 22.1% share.  AI of 85.
Chart: 3rd for Saturday behind Strictly and The X Factor
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (7.7 million)
Final rating: 7.11 million, 14th for the week, beat an EastEnders episode

Convictland: 526,000


Kill the Moon

Overnights: 4.82 million, a 21.5% share.  AI of 82.
Chart: 3rd for Saturday, behind Strictly and The X Factor
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (7.18 million)
Final rating: 6.91 million, 20th for the week

Convictland: 447,000 (against the NRL Grand Final)



The Caretaker

Overnights: 4.89 million, 21.8% share, AI of 83
Chart: 3rd for Saturday behind Strictly and The X Factor
Timeslot: Lost vs The X Factor (7.7 million)
Final rating: 6.81 million, 20th for the week

Convictland: 882,000



Time Heist

Overnights: 4.93 million, 23.8% share, AI of 84
Chart: 2nd for Saturday behind The X Factor (8.4 million)
Timeslot: Won vs The Chase (4.2 million)
Final rating: 6.99 million, 14th for the week

Convictland: 977,000


Listen

Overnights: 4.8 million, 23.5% share.  AI of 82.
Chart: 2nd for Saturday behind The X Factor (8.5 million)
Timeslot: Won vs The Chase (4.1 million)
Final rating: 7.01 million, 7th for the week

Convictland: 661,000


Robot of Sherwood

Overnights: 5.2 million, a 25.4% share.  AI of 82.
Chart: 2nd for Saturday behind The X Factor (8.7 million)
Timeslot: Won vs The Chase
Final rating: 7.28 million, 10th for the week

Convictland: 1.085 million


Into the Dalek

Overnights: 5.2 million, a 25.7% share.  AI of 84.  
Chart: 2nd for Saturday behind The X Factor (9.3 million)
Timeslot: Won vs The Chase (4.2 million) then maintaned audience vs The X Factor
Final rating: 7.25 million, a 30.4% share.  9th for the week.

Convictland: 1.1 million


Deep Breath

Overnights: 6.8 million, a 32.5% share.  AI of 82.  1st for Saturday.
Timeslot: Won, vs some awful poo poo on ITV that nobody watched
Final rating: 9.17 million (!!!), 2nd for the week (behind The Great British Bake-Off (!!! ))

USA! USA! USA!: 2.6 million, the highest rating ever for a premiere on BBC America, 
the most-watched cable show of its timeslot
Canuckistan: 1.4 million on Space, the highest-rated show on the channel so far this year
Convictland: 1.187 million on the ABC, the highest-rated drama of the day.
Now, if only there was some cromulent Patrick Troughton quote that might be used to express an opinion on this alteration of circumstances...

Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2014 around 13:25

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Trin Tragula posted:

Now, if only there was some cromulent Patrick Troughton quote that might be used to express an opinion on this alteration of circumstances...

Oh my giddy Aunt, a season thread!



I've only seen the preview at the end of the episode last week, but this looks like it is the annual appease the mighty spirit of Robert Holmes/terrify every child in Britain episode, and I appreciate that.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


New thread, don't like it, boom!

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider



We're going to stop making new threads!

To commemorate this, a new thread!

(Sorry Trin, it made me laugh.)

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I don't know if I'm entirely optimistic about this evening's episode, but we'll see.

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary


It's a Moffat episode, so I'm wary. But this looks like it could scare the poo poo out of some kids, so yay!

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax


Metal Loaf posted:

I don't know if I'm entirely optimistic about this evening's episode, but we'll see.

I've hated this episode since before it was written.

What do I win?

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY


I'm interested to see all of your reactions to one aspect of this episode in particular.

SwimmingSpider
Jan 3, 2008


Jön, jön, jön a vizipók.
Várják már a tólakók.
Ez a kis pók ügyes búvár.
Sok új kaland is még rá vár.


I really like how 12 is shaping up so far. He comes off as a such a killjoy rear end in a top hat and it's just so endearing.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Irish Joe posted:

I've hated this episode since before it was written.

What do I win?

The opportunity to be a sound tech on a Bonnie Langford serial.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Tim Burns Effect posted:

A little ways into the "Philip Hinchcliffe Presents" box set and apparently Big Finish's throwback to the Hinchcliffe era includes the casual racism

Oh dear, that's unfortunate. Care to elaborate?

Throb Robinson
Feb 8, 2010

He would enjoy administering the single antidote to Leia. He would enjoy it very much indeed..


As for the DW ratings what does Convict land mean?

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Throb Robinson posted:

As for the DW ratings what does Convict land mean?

Australia

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Irish Joe posted:

I've hated this episode since before it was written.

What do I win?

I can't stand all the relentless negativity in this thread,

Trin Tragula posted:

Full explanation of what all this means is in the Deep Breath thread. TL;DR, it's all fine, chill out, people are still watching and loving the show.

May I ask, if anyone knows, why iPlayer is excluded from the ratings calculations?

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at Sep 13, 2014 around 14:46

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


PriorMarcus posted:

I'm interested to see all of your reactions to one aspect of this episode in particular.

Maybe it'll be cut like Rusty exploding!

We could be that lucky right?

Right?

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


This looks to me to be the requisite Moffat horror of the season. They're usually inoffensive at worst, if I can recall.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Burkion posted:

Maybe it'll be cut like Rusty exploding!

We could be that lucky right?

Right?

Please stop this poo poo. I'm trying to go into this (and E5) unspoiled. Don't be all coy, it's very irritating.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I'm continuing to work my way through the old series and I'm starting to recognize reused props and set dressing. Somebody help me before it's too late!

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


DoctorWhat posted:

Please stop this poo poo. I'm trying to go into this (and E5) unspoiled. Don't be all coy, it's very irritating.

I'm not saying anything about episode 5.

I'm talking about the fact that in the rough cut for Into the Dalek, Rusty blew itself up at the end, which just kind of made everything pointless. One of the big points I give to the episode is leaving Rusty alive so he can come back in the future!

Like Jenny! Who Moffat specifically asked to be left alive so she could...

...not ever return I guess.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway


I was surprised when Rusty did not kick the bucket at the end, that's how these kinds of tales usually go. Instead Rusty goes off on a venture.

I think Rusty has more possibilities than Jenny, and I kind of hope he stays in canon (daleks having memory alteration hardware and being okay with it, as I posted previously, actually makes a lot of sense and could do some interesting things... unlike whatever the hell was going on with Jenny)

I'll also mention that I saw 11's seasons first, so I did not know the trio didn't have an origin in 9 and 10's stories, and also have a bit of face blindness, so when Jenny showed up I wondered for a it if they were in fact the same person before realizing that made no sense.

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY


Burkion posted:

I'm not saying anything about episode 5.

I'm talking about the fact that in the rough cut for Into the Dalek, Rusty blew itself up at the end, which just kind of made everything pointless. One of the big points I give to the episode is leaving Rusty alive so he can come back in the future!

Like Jenny! Who Moffat specifically asked to be left alive so she could...

...not ever return I guess.

I wonder what happened to her? I'm surprised she didn't get a tie in novel or reappear. Maybe one day.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax


Burkion posted:

I'm not saying anything about episode 5.

Yes you are, apparently there's something awkward or controversial about it. Thanks for telling us all that, jerk.

Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at Sep 13, 2014 around 17:22

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary


Rita Repulsa posted:

I was surprised when Rusty did not kick the bucket at the end, that's how these kinds of tales usually go. Instead Rusty goes off on a venture.

I think Rusty has more possibilities than Jenny, and I kind of hope he stays in canon (daleks having memory alteration hardware and being okay with it, as I posted previously, actually makes a lot of sense and could do some interesting things... unlike whatever the hell was going on with Jenny)

I'll also mention that I saw 11's seasons first, so I did not know the trio didn't have an origin in 9 and 10's stories, and also have a bit of face blindness, so when Jenny showed up I wondered for a it if they were in fact the same person before realizing that made no sense.

Nicholas Briggs probably got down on his hands and knees and begged Moffat not to kill him off so Big Finish could one day give him his own range.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005



Airdate tonight is 7:30pm QOSTZ, Johnny Foreigners beware. That's about 25 minutes. We've also got another 50-minute episode.

Autonomous Monster posted:

We're going to stop making new threads!

To commemorate this, a new thread!

(Sorry Trin, it made me laugh.)

Why'd you think I did it? Come on, give me a bit of credit here.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006



I'll actually be at home to watch this live for once, but since I don't actually have my tv hooked up to an aerial I'll still have to watch it on iplayer. Watching tv in the future is strange.

Solaris Knight
Apr 26, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT POWER RANGERS MYSTIC FORCE


It's almost time for 2 Spooky 4 Me: Doctor Who edition.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003



Trin Tragula posted:

We've also got another 50-minute episode.

How frequently Moffat's episodes run long does make me laugh in light of his comments about there being no stories that can't be told in 45 minutes.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

This and the next one are directed by Douglas Mackinnon. Loved his direction in The Power of Three, was kinda meh on his take on Cold War. Let's see how this goes!

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary


Just noticed that the show on before - somw dancing malarky - is produced by Andrew Cartmell

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Well that's off to a suitably creepy start.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider



Wait, did Moffat just reinvent the Silence?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


In a clever twist, the horror of this episode is the horror of the awkward first date.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider



Seriously, enough with the Doctor pissing on Clara please.

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary


Capaldi just gets better every week

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007
Simaggeddon



Jerusalem posted:

In a clever twist, the horror of this episode is the horror of the awkward first date.

The Ambassadors... OF AWKWARDNESS.

Cruel Rose
May 27, 2010

saaave gotham~
come on~
DO IT, BATMAN
FUCKING BATMAN I FUCKING HATE YOU


I thought she was asking "how long have you been drinking?" for a moment there.

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.


Autonomous Monster posted:

Seriously, enough with the Doctor pissing on Clara please.

Nope. More please.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006



I have a deskbed I can't identify with any of this.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.


That smile was absolutely fantastic.

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KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider



Chucat posted:

I have a deskbed I can't identify with any of this.

Mine was on stilts. I knew what was under there: mostly books.

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