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KhyrosFinalCut posted:You misunderstand. I don't think xopods is scummy for that reason. The phrase you used was twisting theories to suit facts. And only scum would be looking for something to jump on a townie for, so how are you not calling him scummy?
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Byers2142 posted:Ok, throw out his defenses of Meinberg. Why is he scum? "The argument that QPQ's "non answer" of "it's as serious as it could be at that point" was maliciously crafted so that either interpretation could be hammered on as "the obvious one" later on is plausible (so he agrees) but it just doesn't ring true to me (oh wait, no he doesn't). I still think QPQ is scummy (so it's a plausible case he doesn't agree with on a guy he still thinks is scum?) for having any amount of serious in that vote and that's enough of a case for me. What I'm saying is that xopods' point is exactly the kind of thing I would say to fuel a fire on a townie getting steam built up on him (xopods is acting maliciously?) -- I don't think he's twisting things by ignoring later posts (or he's not?) , I'm just saying this point doesn't pass a smell test for me (wait, now he is again) , but I wouldn't hesitate to make it if I was looking for something jump on a townie for. (but I'd do it too, but I'm not this time, look how townie I am guys, wink wink)" All of his posts have this weird, twisty, yes-then no-then yes-then yes but for another reason-or maybe no structure to them. I've never played with him before, maybe this is how he is every time, but all of his posts seem designed that so can go back and hide behind them no matter what happens.
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This new font can lick my balls. kilran, that insult was directed at the font, which is not by definition a person. If it were a person, I would say it's a self-actualized agent that has not made the same life choices I would have but I can respect the differences between us, but as a font it needs to die in a fire.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:13
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Byers2142 posted:Someone volunteering to be a martyr is, because they're suggesting they'll make the ultimate sacrifice for town. How is that scummy? ninja: Make a case on Meinberg.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:15
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Byers2142 posted:The phrase you used was twisting theories to suit facts. And only scum would be looking for something to jump on a townie for, so how are you not calling him scummy? I think he's scummy for making that point at all. the emphasis was on I don't think he's scummy for overlooking later posts.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:17
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:I concede some of the semantics, but baseless vaguely personal standard mafia aggression is certainly a tool in merk's toolbox, even if it doesn't manifest itself in the way some other players get "mean" -- cultivating something else to draw from so you can be obtuse at will seems like it serves a scum agenda more than a town one. merk is more than capable of implying your inferiority and idiocy without resorting to direct attacks and if he wanted to bring it out in this game then he easily could. He works hard to present himself in an "I'm better than you" manner that's designed to intimidate. My read on merk right now is that he wants us to think he doesn't really give a poo poo so that when he does start to play we see him as coming along to save us and thus we end up following him to lynch the people he wants lynched.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:20
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Rarity posted:merk is more than capable of implying your inferiority and idiocy without resorting to direct attacks and if he wanted to bring it out in this game then he easily could. He works hard to present himself in an "I'm better than you" manner that's designed to intimidate. My read on merk right now is that he wants us to think he doesn't really give a poo poo so that when he does start to play we see him as coming along to save us and thus we end up following him to lynch the people he wants lynched. How hard were you trying to say nothing at all about his alignment?
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Sep 16, 2014 23:22
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merk posted:How is that scummy? His early posting was nothing but white noise or a little me tooing of my comments around Magnus's role. Magnus called him out as forced, I said that it was more vacuous, and literally minutes later he starts posting more content. Said content is almost exclusively about how bad his is at the game and how he'll have more when he has time to get into the game. Like I said before, town might lurk, but they don't hover over the thread to resond when their name gets called. They also don't fall so hard into a "I don't deserve to live" fugue after being called out for it, or suggest that it's better they die then someone else. The offered sacrifice is reverse psychology, similar to showing a willingness to walk away from the negotiating table.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:24
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:I think he's scummy for making that point at all. the emphasis was on I don't think he's scummy for overlooking later posts. Ok, in that case I withdraw the question. I thought you were with Magnus and QPQ, saying that he was scum twisting things by ignoring what was said later.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:27
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:How hard were you trying to say nothing at all about his alignment? It's a null read, merk pushes lynches whether he's town or scum. I'm going to need more content from him before I can say either way.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:29
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Magnus Gallant posted:That's the thing about this game though. Posts don't occur in a vacuum. When you pointed out your scummy post there were other posts to be examined/considered. I think those posts negate the scumminess of the post you highlighted. You ignore those posts in your original vote post. almost like you're looking for a scummy post to latch on to rather than trying to find evidence of a scum player. I'm not sure what post of his you think "negates" his previously scummy post, but I definitely read everything he had posted up to the point that I voted him. See, what actually happened was I saw KFC's posts and thought he seemed a bit scummy on a gut level. But of course, to be sure of that I had to check whether his case actually had any merit, regardless of what I thought of the style of his own posts. So I went and read QPQ and saw that, yes, I agreed with what KFC was saying, and that QPQ's response to him was at least as bad IMO as the post that QPQ had originally gone after him for. He posted some other things after that, yes, but I really don't see how anything else he said negates his initial hedging. He explained himself better later, sure... that has little bearing on the fact that his initial reaction to being pressed to decide how hard to commit was to hedge and evade the question.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:33
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xopods posted:So I went and read QPQ and saw that, yes, I agreed with what KFC was saying, and that QPQ's response to him was at least as bad IMO as the post that KFC had originally gone after him for. Mafia edit
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Sep 16, 2014 23:38
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Leaning town on Rarity feel pretty good about consistency of thought + based on the fuel rules confusion. When's deadline?
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Sep 16, 2014 23:41
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merk, what do you think of my read on Andy? Byers, you too.KhyrosFinalCut posted:When's deadline? Tomorrow, I think 5pm EST?
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Sep 16, 2014 23:43
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Rarity posted:merk, what do you think of my read on Andy? Byers, you too. I can see it. I'm still not sure I like his KFC case, either. Especially with him linking KFC and Meinberg as a way to try and build votes. Deadline's in almost exactly 48 hours.
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Sep 17, 2014 00:03
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Give me a name to case
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Sep 17, 2014 00:34
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##vote meinberg
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Sep 17, 2014 00:58
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Rarity posted:merk, what do you think of my read on Andy? Byers, you too. I don't know.
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Sep 17, 2014 00:58
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bowmore posted:Give me a name to case merk
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Sep 17, 2014 00:59
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merk why are you sticking with the Beast schtick?
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Sep 17, 2014 00:59
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bowmore posted:merk why are you sticking with the Beast schtick? 
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Sep 17, 2014 01:13
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Byers2142 posted:merk
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Sep 17, 2014 01:14
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I've done all the work I intend to do this game day. I am voting Meinberg through deadline.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:14
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merk posted:I've done all the work I intend to do this game day. I am voting Meinberg through deadline.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:14
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merk posted:I've done all the work I intend to do this game day. I am voting Meinberg through deadline. Welp. That doesn't seem like the best option. But I'm not sure if I can change your mind.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:15
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merk posted:I've done all the work I intend to do this game day. I am voting Meinberg through deadline. I don't know why but this post is incredibly annoying
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Sep 17, 2014 01:17
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bowmore posted:I don't think I will be able to do this today That's where I am, too. Was hoping you could get more leverage on it. It's not too scummy to be scummy, it's... look, we're playing checkers, some of the players are playing chess, and merk is pissing in the snow and winning.
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Magnus Gallant posted:I don't know why but this post is incredibly annoying We all know wy, we just can't verbalize it. merk, is this your attempt to get past the fact that you're getting lynched recently just because you're, well, merk? Do nothing, avoid night kills, and have an explanation why D3/D4?
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Sep 17, 2014 01:19
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It would be funny if scum NK'd him tonight
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Sep 17, 2014 01:20
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merk posted:I've done all the work I intend to do this game day. I am voting Meinberg through deadline. ##vote Merk typical Merk scumplay.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:21
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Byers2142 posted:We all know wy, we just can't verbalize it. He should stop being scum in all his games.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:22
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Grr my vote didn't take ##vote CapnAndy
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Sep 17, 2014 01:22
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DGK2000 posted:##vote Merk typical Merk scumplay.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:23
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Rarity posted:Grr my vote didn't take
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Sep 17, 2014 01:24
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bowmore posted:Why? It's cause the vote I made on him earlier didn't go through.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:28
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Rarity posted:It's cause the vote I made on him earlier didn't go through.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:29
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bowmore posted:yeah but why are you voting him? I would kindly recommend with the utmost respect that you read the thread in future to prevent needing to ask unnecessary questions. Think of the time you will save!
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Sep 17, 2014 01:32
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DGK2000 posted:##vote Merk typical Merk scumplay. As much as I'd like to agree, I'm not sure it is. He basically latched onto Meinberg right away, whereas I'm used to seeing him poke people until he finds someone he can get a rise out of and then latch on (usually to me). It's possible he just doesn't want to do that here because we're supposedly being nice, and is therefore sitting back until someone commits an unforced error, but so far it just seems to me like he finds the game uninspiring.
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Sep 17, 2014 01:34
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Rarity Next time just say, because of this
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Magnus Gallant posted:Rarity That is the exact post I linked to, yes.
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