[Mafia] Role Madness 2

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Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

lynching me ends your game

Tell me why in a 13 player game.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:27

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 16:49

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

Because I didn't believe it?

For the record, I switched TT and CPig because I had no idea what to do with Night 1, so just targeted two people I thought might either try to do or be the target of something scummy.

How do you not believe this when you never announced it before hand:

tearshed posted:

##vote mfcrocker

I jailed (targeted) cpig N1, but it ended up on TT. The only possible way that happened is either witch, or bus driver. And poison mushroom claimed bus driver, but never claimed her N1 targets. Ergo, she can confirm what I did N1.

And I targeted somber N2.

Both of my jail targets claimed in thread they were jailed. So uh, where you getting your ideas from?

He only had half of that information from the thread when he claimed, from TT's claim. He never had Cpig's.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:29

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

8 players left

3 scum alive

cmon

What am I missing? It goes 5 to lynch to 4 to lynch. It's potentially just as bad today if we mislynch and you just place a vote on whomever tomorrow.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:30

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

there are nightkills ras

?? Yes, 8 -> 7 lynch -> 6 alive after NK. 4 to lynch.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:33

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Hmmm oh. well gently caress.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:37

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

I hate everyone who left a survivor claim up on d3

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:38

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

That means Pmush shouldn't be voted either since at best case she is town bus driver, worst case 3p witch but wins with mafia.

Hell I suppose that means we could have lost already so I guess we shouldn't live in that world and just hope to kill a scum at this point.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 04:39

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

Lamp, how did you get a result on my alignment with my name in your pm while there was a bus driver between me and capitalist pig?

This is from Role Madness Game 1:

quote:

-Bus Driver: Targets two players. Whatever would have happened to one player would instead happen to the other. Vice versa. Targets aware they were bussed.

This is from the current game:

quote:

-Bus Driver: Targets two players. Whatever would have happened to one player would instead happen to the other. Vice versa. "Target was hit by a bus" announced to game if Bus Driver makes someone kill themselves.

Witch is unchanged from game 1 to game 2.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 18:43

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

Must be scum, but there's no SK and the cult got whacked n1 so I'd imagine no cult

hmmmmm

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 18:48

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

CapitalistPig posted:

This will help, I did target Magnus n1.

Im the town escort.

Pmush n2

Opop n3

Why didn't you counter claim d2? Better yet, why didn't you roleblock the guy you would know 100% would be scum from your own counter claim? You could have effectively neutralized an entire scum PR on your own from your point of view.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 18:49

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

Let me be clear, I am not survivor. I believe ras to be based on his reaction to my claim, but I could believe scum trying to smoke signal me voting with them.

vote yourself

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 23:19

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 23:20

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

what are you getting at here?

missed this: it reaffirms what Lamp suggested -

Lampsacus posted:

Well I did target you n1 and player names have showed up in my PMs. I just rechecked the said PM.

So lets break it down:
Either I'm lying or,
The names I pick show up but really the actual target is obscured or,
Somebody else is lying.

I'd tend towards the last one.

Met probably changed that particular PR around so it didn't confirm the bus driver as hard as it could have previously, as well as makes it more difficult for the bus driver to actually confirm other roles. Maybe he took a lesson from how hard absorber cleaned house the previous game.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 23:26

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

The danger is witch / framer.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:03

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

We are better off killing Eps pretty much, because if your results on Opop is be trusted, then your result on Cpig is likely to be trusted as well. Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps at this point.

It's really that simple.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:03

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

No scum is ever going to directly CC Sheriff a day before mylo either. That's why I asked for sheriff to claim if we weren't going to kill TT. I messed up the mylo timing but the logic still holds fine.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:06

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Lampsacus posted:

I literally do not understand half last dozen posts. Somebody just posted a picture of donuts?

jfiwoifafiojsdfjasidfajodsi odisoi eejio sodi! joifdsj dddd ieoxox? hoi!

I was establishing that your claims are likely not fabrications on your part since TT was throwing dirt on them by virtue of a bad PM gambit (the fact you were getting names of players in your role PM).

TT is either scum or terrible 3p this game, he's not town from my PoV. Like I said before, if he was survivor with BP, he'd actually be trying to solve the game and not making tone arguments. He also wouldn't actually claim if he wanted to win with town.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:08

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

I tried to bus EP and either myself (if it was legal), or mfcrocker (if it wasn't). Never found out either way, my results PM just said I was roleblocked.

I thought that MFCrocker was possibly the closest thing we had to a 'confirmed' town who'd be killed based solely on their that-day posts.

Why would a scum team kill a guy that had claimed a tracker result that led to a mislynch?

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:09

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

Can you explain the logic to me? I'm probably missing something, but all I'm seeing in that is "Well, this one might be wrong. But this one might be wrong, and we have no idea which side of the counterclaim is accurate. Therefore, we should go with this one, because if we're wrong, ????"

Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps. Scum CPig could be lying about direct CC and if so, he's going 1:1 if we kill Eps and he flips town (unless town can role double escort then w/e, we're hosed). However if we are indeed 1-day minus lylo, they could end game tomorrow if survivor TT or whomever actually throws in with scum. Still a bit of an iffy play.

Lamp has two sheriff results: town clear on Cpig, scum hit on Opop. Scum Lamp could be doing the same scenario as I just laid out above, just a bit more elaborate. You can only frame SCUM results in this game, you can't frame town. It stands to reason if Lamp is scum, he still had to clear Cpig here.

The only outlier scenario I can think of is if both Cpig+Lamp+Eps are scum, and they just pulled hail mary claims + a bus to get to end game at 1 day minus mylo (nobody would do this I think).

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:14

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Basically even if they are scum gambiting, they kind of hosed up. It's more plausible to believe Lamp is truthful. Then it's just a matter of framing/witching/etc, but framing can't account for a town clear on Cpig. So Cpig is likely truthful and was also really lazy about his play this game (whatever).

Witching can influence it but it seems like if we had a witch, they weren't anywhere to influence the clear on CPig n1 since PMush has claimed results on targeting CPig/TT, not Lamp, and that has been validated afaik through tearshed's flip and his posts about jailing.

I think that about sums it up.

I have no idea wtf TT is doing this game, I think he's genuinely the survivor that tried to throw in with scum and is just loving around now.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:18

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

You're missing the essence of the situation. It's MyLo. We kill a town Eps, there is no tomorrow. I'm not seeing how you keep overlooking that, unless you're doing so intentionally.

Also, I've found that betting on what a scum CPig would or wouldn't do is a risky proposition.

EVen if it's really mylo I think my logic holds up. The hit on Opop can be framed, the clear on Cpig cannot be. Short of Cpig trolling, we're good.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:20

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Lampsacus posted:

So I actually investigated CPig because of the driver day one?

Tearshed claimed jail on TT and PM claimed swap on TT/Cpig. There's no other explanation for why you got a result as far as I can tell. If you actually hit TT, you should have failed.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:23

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

cpig claimed he rb'ed pmush n2 and pmush acknowledged that, nobody else seems to be able to account for any weird swappings that night soooooooooo

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 00:28

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

##vote tt

# ¿ Oct 9, 2014 00:37

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

rip

# ¿ Oct 9, 2014 01:13

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

##vote cpig

# ¿ Oct 10, 2014 21:09

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

Jester L O L

# ¿ Oct 10, 2014 21:48

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

The tearshed lynch was actually the greatest tragedy. Poor guy.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2014 00:12

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

PR wise he was clear though.

Another random bit is that Opop claimed getting role blocked and then later claimed bulletproof, but nobody noticed!

# ¿ Oct 11, 2014 00:53

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

I think if anyone more serious had been around we would have been in trouble. Lamp skipping deadline really hurt lol

# ¿ Oct 12, 2014 04:40

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 16:49

Rascyc: Jan 23, 2008; Dissatisfied Puppy

I have feedback Met but I'm waiting to get home Monday to type it up on a real keyboard.

I really like these setups and it's fun to iterate.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2014 17:42

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