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Poison Mushroom posted:I kind of buy your Opop thing, since I felt that, too, but the Mills case reads a lot like a defensive OMGUS-y thing. And if you're scum, actually claiming your buddy is one of the scum would be a decent way to give you credibility, should the Opop lynch take off (and Opop actually turn out to be scum). But that's a big logical mess that I can't really use for a case. I'm mostly just thinking out loud. I am just incredibly sure of my read on Mills. Really though, he's a good enough player to know better than to make a case that bad. There's a difference between OMGUS and dishonesty. That he didn't even back it up with a vote until the bandwagon was in motion is just icing on the cake. In my experience it's largely scum who use emoticons like that. I am sure. I want Mills to get lynched. Thunderdome sounded cool but Mills was too babby. Sorry I said you were being willfully obtuse. I didn't mean that.
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Somberbrero posted:Several other people said no to an extension, it's silly and it's unfair to the scum team. I know how that probably sounds but I want to win the right way. Policy-lynching as a whole is a kind of long-term thing. If it becomes policy over time, it encourages people to not lurk if they want to live. But within the single game, it's only going to hit two types: The unmotivated player (who is almost always VT), and the rare lucky hit on a lurker scum. That's way too much of a gamble for D1, when almost any other lynch would give us more information. As for the lynch context, it could possibly be seen as not wanting to get on a vote for someone you know is town. So if the vote on EP did go through, and he did come up as lynched and town, you'd look better for it.
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Mills posted:That is a gross characterization of the facts.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:39
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I never know how to read Mills. He's just bafflingly alien to me. Mills, who do you think is least scummy, aside from yourself, based on gut and posting? And why?
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Votecount for Day 1  Somberbrero (2): fiery_valkyrie, Poison Mushroom, Magnus Gallant, Tremendous Taste (1): Epsilon Plus Magnus Gallant (1): Epsilon Plus, CapitalistPig, Mills (1): CapitalistPig, Epsilon Plus (0): Mills, Poison Mushroom (0): Somberbrero, Opopanax (0): Somberbrero, Not Voting (4): fiery_valkyrie, Opopanax, Poison Mushroom, Tremendous TasteWith 9 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch. The current deadline is September 25th, 2014 at 8 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 1 hour, 18 minutes.
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Excuse me, random joat vampire
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Tremendous Taste posted:Excuse me, random joat vampire  Somberbrero posted:Sorry I said you were being willfully obtuse. I didn't mean that.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:43
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Mills posted:Why are you referring to the town in third person? What facts, Mills?
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Somb is pushing this concept of me 'casing him with grammar' because I made a single throwaway line. It's his response to this throwaway line, and subsequent posting, that condemns him to the noose. He's doubled down on an argument no town player could possibly believe in, and padded it out with a terrible anecdotal argument that I made use of an emoticon that scum use - this kind of reasoning does nothing but associate unprovable negative concepts to me and is not a legitimate form of scum hunting. This is not real content or a real thought process. It's a glut of words designed to swing opinion through quantity not quality. Unfortunately for Somb, I am in and out of this thread enough to point out the bullshit.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:44
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Mills posted:Somb is pushing this concept of me 'casing him with grammar' because I made a single throwaway line. It's his response to this throwaway line, and subsequent posting, that condemns him to the noose. He's doubled down on an argument no town player could possibly believe in, and padded it out with a terrible anecdotal argument that I made use of an emoticon that scum use - this kind of reasoning does nothing but associate unprovable negative concepts to me and is not a legitimate form of scum hunting. This is not real content or a real thought process. It's a glut of words designed to swing opinion through quantity not quality. This is a lot of words to say that your grammar case was a joke and I am scum for taking it seriously.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:46
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Poison Mushroom posted:I never know how to read Mills. He's just bafflingly alien to me. I think Taste is pretty solid town. I read him as less engaged when playing town. In both Aladdin Mafia and Budapest Mafia he was town and not very useful. In both games he was happy to let me take the lead. I see the same from him here, and I don't see him willfully manipulating that into a meta to fool me in Beard Mafia of all places.
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Mills posted:I think Taste is pretty solid town. I read him as less engaged when playing town. In both Aladdin Mafia and Budapest Mafia he was town and not very useful. In both games he was happy to let me take the lead. I see the same from him here, and I don't see him willfully manipulating that into a meta to fool me in Beard Mafia of all places. This is the most active I've ever seen Taste, especially on day one.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:48
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Mills posted:Why are you referring to the town in third person? this was def a joke. somber's response is disproportionate to the post he reacted to.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:48
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I'm hoping to do more than Aladdin, I just hate D1
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Magnus Gallant posted:this was def a joke. It was like two hours from deadline dude.
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active != engaged
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Sep 26, 2014 00:49
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Mills posted:I think Taste is pretty solid town. I read him as less engaged when playing town. In both Aladdin Mafia and Budapest Mafia he was town and not very useful. In both games he was happy to let me take the lead. I see the same from him here, and I don't see him willfully manipulating that into a meta to fool me in Beard Mafia of all places. Mills posted:Somb is pushing this concept of me 'casing him with grammar' because I made a single throwaway line. It's his response to this throwaway line, and subsequent posting, that condemns him to the noose. He's doubled down on an argument no town player could possibly believe in, and padded it out with a terrible anecdotal argument that I made use of an emoticon that scum use - this kind of reasoning does nothing but associate unprovable negative concepts to me and is not a legitimate form of scum hunting. This is not real content or a real thought process. It's a glut of words designed to swing opinion through quantity not quality. Would not vote Mills except to avoid a no-lynch. And on that note: ##vote Somberbrero Hour and change until deadline and I have dinner to eat.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:49
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PM Mills is blustering you here arghhhhh. Elohim, Elohim, why have you forsaken me?
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Sep 26, 2014 00:51
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Mills, who are you going to vote tomorrow after I flip town?
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Somberbrero posted:PM Mills is blustering you here arghhhhh.
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Somberbrero posted:Mills, who are you going to vote tomorrow after I flip town? I'll vote myself if that happens.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:52
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Mills posted:I'll vote myself if that happens. If Somberbrero flips town, I will case myself tomorrow to the best of my ability.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:53
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Mills posted:It's a glut of words designed to swing opinion through quantity not quality. This is really hypocritical.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:56
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Also, all of you saying you will case yourselves are idiots.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Also, all of you saying you will case yourselves are idiots.
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Mills posted:Unless we want to lynch Somb first. This is hilarious. Mills posted:Somb is pushing this concept of me 'casing him with grammar' because I made a single throwaway line. It's his response to this throwaway line, and subsequent posting, that condemns him to the noose. He's doubled down on an argument no town player could possibly believe in, and padded it out with a terrible anecdotal argument that I made use of an emoticon that scum use - this kind of reasoning does nothing but associate unprovable negative concepts to me and is not a legitimate form of scum hunting. This is not real content or a real thought process. It's a glut of words designed to swing opinion through quantity not quality. look at these posts look at them Mills is completely manufacturing his reasoning after the fact. It's silly to his post a ~throwaway line~ when we were two hours out from deadline with no candidates. Mills believes that I can't honestly believe in my case, which is based on Mills terrible reasoning, when he is voting me for making a case that he perceives as having terrible reasoning. What's worse is that he's making this case in the most overwrought way possible, trying to bluster through with phrases like "associate unprovable negative concepts to me and is not a legitimate form of scum hunting." That is not real content and that is not a real thought process.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:This is really hypocritical. I hate this criticism because I wrote 5 sentences and each sentence was its own important point. I am sorry that sometimes I use expressive language!
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Sep 26, 2014 01:02
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Actually read that second post out loud to yourselves and tell me what you think.
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##vote meezy
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Somberbrero posted:Actually read that second post out loud to yourselves and tell me what you think. To be fair, your meta case on Mills is terrible.
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Pretend that post was the movie entitled "Somb's gross misrepresentation of the facts" and this is the commentary overlay. 1. True characterization of facts 2. The reason that I am voting him 3. a. Somb unreasonable and difficult b. Somb deliberately attaching anecdotal negative concepts to me (for what purpose???) 4. Summary: not town 5. More summary
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Votecount for Day 1 Somberbrero (3): fiery_valkyrie, Poison Mushroom, Magnus Gallant, Mills (2): CapitalistPig, Tremendous Taste (1): Epsilon Plus Magnus Gallant (1): Epsilon Plus, CapitalistPig, Epsilon Plus (0): Mills, Poison Mushroom (0): Somberbrero, Opopanax (0): Somberbrero, Not Voting (2): fiery_valkyrie, Opopanax With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch. The current deadline is September 25th, 2014 at 8 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 51 minutes.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:To be fair, your meta case on Mills is terrible. His case on me is worse though, he's just smarter than I am.
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Tremendous Taste posted:I'm hoping to do more than Aladdin, I just hate D1 You and me both. --- I think Poison Mushroom's analysis of Mills' posts is good, but I really think the excessive wordery in post 2 is less than convincing. Really, it's the last line that makes me cautious. "Unfortunately for Somb, I am in and out of this thread enough to point out the bullshit" feels overly forceful given the content it's based on. ##unvote ##vote Mills
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Sep 26, 2014 01:09
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jesus do you have an opinion on the summary?
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Sep 26, 2014 01:10
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na you dont, you just dont want your scum buddy lynched. np
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Sep 26, 2014 01:17
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I, personally, think that labeling anything as factual (in this case, "true") in a game all about reading other people and figuring out their intent feels pushy. I mean, you've stated your case, but just because your interpretation of the events makes you label something as "true" does not automatically make it true. Both of you are doing it to an extent, but your case feels less believable.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:17
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I deeply apologize for rereading the last few pages of posts compulsively
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Sep 26, 2014 01:18
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is anyone that is not scum still around
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