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Wow, there is a significant drop-off in post-per-week quotient, pretty sure, since I haven't been on here in a month or two. BUT:Xealot posted:She's the Dean of the show, definitely. But they have like 5 significant characters, so there's always the option. THIS specifically has been irritating me in all of the recaps or judgements or whatever you want to call anyone who talks about supernatural anymore. There is literally nothing the same about Dean and Claire. I LOVE this show (as much as you can still love it and be irritated at the last 15+ episode decline) and I HATE CLAIRE. There are numerous sensible reasons for her to be the annoying shitbag that she is, but it's not FUN ANYMORE. She's literally the worst person out of all 6 girls that were left in this episode. Jodi has been fleshed out beautifully and is awesome. Donna is a loveable dork! Older sister had a pretty good story and still acts within those boundaries and is an acceptable backup and does what she does The Psychic chick is new at this but just drove cross country to save a life, and I like her actress Kaia is understandably reluctant but give her like 2 more episodes before you draw a conclusion..(lol) Claire is ALWAYS A PAIN IN THE rear end. PLEASE KILL HER. And they're intending to build a show around Claire and her diary?? Good luck. They should have kept Kaia, made a diary for Jodi (or the oldest daughter .. yeah I can't remember her name, is it that obvious?) and killed Claire in this episode and had Mirror Clair come back as a bad guy. It would have had a lot more meaning for mirror Claire to be fighting half the rest of the cast than for Mirror Kaia who everyone met like a minute ago?? Even mirror Charlie was more compelling in arguable one of the worst episodes ever. Plus there are the genuinely dumbassary moments of the episode. I REALLY love seeing all chicks mount up! Because both all team-ups and specifically my gender team ups are cool, but wow, such bad scenes in general, and then: #1 Claire and Kaiya find the boys in 1 minute from the space-crack when they've been looking for days?? It's just BAD WRITING #2 They stand around in front of the quickly-closing way to go home for like a solid minute, for no reason!, long enough to get someone killed? This is spectacular bad writing and editing. #3 I have read some other forums and stuff, but nobody seemed to be even chuffed that they just left her body there when it was like 3 feet from the butt-crack, and they spent like 10 times more time watching her get killed then it would have taken them to bring her body home. It just felt really gross and out of character and out of universe in the way they have created it. Honestly, it might not seem like it, but this is a show I really wait for all week still, but I have been constantly disappointed in the writing of the last ~20 episodes. There's just a *factor* missing. It doesn't mean that I hate it. I'm just disappointed every week?
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Pretty good backdoor pilot. A bit heavy on the overacting, but all in all, I'd give the series a chance. I hope it makes it through the portal
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BrianWilly posted:Y'know...I haven't been watching this show since season 7, and not to be a fat dick here, but every time I check back into what Supernatural has been doing lately, I find myself reliably dropping in on another round of this thread being really disappointed about one thing or another that the show has done. It ain't always something super dire, but the topic of any given day always seems to be something about "well that didn't make sense" or "this should've happened instead" or "why are they just dropping that plot" or...something like that. I never see any posts about one episode or another being really badass or satisfying or how any seasons are upping their game a bit. It's much like X-Files, where there are some good/great individual episodes in each season but the season arc is utter trash. That said, I think most people here will agree that the season arcs have been serviceable enough over the last few seasons to keep it worthwhile. I think the absolute nadirs have been the Leviathan season and the season where Dean had the mark of Cain.
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Jan 20, 2018 22:00
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DoggPickle posted:THIS specifically has been irritating me in all of the recaps or judgements or whatever you want to call anyone who talks about supernatural anymore. There is literally nothing the same about Dean and Claire. I LOVE this show (as much as you can still love it and be irritated at the last 15+ episode decline) and I HATE CLAIRE. You may not like Claire, but she is extremely similar to Dean. The flippant, rear end in a top hat demeanor, disdain for authority, tendency to jump into dangerous situations without a plan, the weird lone wolf poo poo where she refuses help, the martyr complex where she invites death or injury...it’s all right out of Dean’s playbook. I mostly find it funny that Kathryn Newton plays the same bratty, rebellious teenage daughter in *everything*. She’s done this in Halt and Catch Fire and Big Little Lies...I’m pretty sure she’s that in Three Billboards prior to getting murdered, and I’m sure there are other examples.
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We skipped ahead a few seasons of our normal podcast coverage (we're about to finish season 6: CASPLZ) to do an episode on Wayward Sisters. If you want to hear two dudes that love Supernatural talk about the new pilot, here's the link for you. Also, Claire is 100% what Dean was like when he was younger, except with less training and tragedy in her life (which is saying something, Claire's backstory is filled with a lot of tragedy). The big difference between the two of them is that at the end of the episode, she had already acknowledged her need to be supported by other people, and to not run into situations without some sort of plan. The show never showed Dean losing someone he was responsible for until he had been a hunter for years, but Claire is going to already have learned that lesson by the time the show starts (hopefully it starts, anyway).
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EC posted:We skipped ahead a few seasons of our normal podcast coverage (we're about to finish season 6: CASPLZ) to do an episode on Wayward Sisters. If you want to hear two dudes that love Supernatural talk about the new pilot, here's the link for you.
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Thanks! We have a ton of fun doing it. We're gonna start covering the comics soon (tyvm patrons) me OH BOY this first series is hilarious and bad. It really, really leans into John being a terrible father.
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DoggPickle posted:Wow, there is a significant drop-off in post-per-week quotient, pretty sure, since I haven't been on here in a month or two. BUT: Yep I was going to say. I liked all the characters there except for the one they focus on the most, who is the worst actor by a league and the least interesting character to boot. It's like they're scared to focus it on the older women in the set, when they are the real draw. Also I can't be the only one who wanted the soundtrack to start screaming "GO GO POWER SISSSSTERSSSS" every single time those monsters showed up? The way they jumped around and moved making those sounds made me laugh every time. Xealot posted:You may not like Claire, but she is extremely similar to Dean. The flippant, rear end in a top hat demeanor, disdain for authority, tendency to jump into dangerous situations without a plan, the weird lone wolf poo poo where she refuses help, the martyr complex where she invites death or injury...it’s all right out of Dean’s playbook. Actually that irked me a bit because I felt like the writers literally were just writing Dean and shoving it into her mouth. Like literally it could have been a body switching episode. Plus she can't pull off the cocky thing well, like at all.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Yep I was going to say. I liked all the characters there except for the one they focus on the most, who is the worst actor by a league and the least interesting character to boot. It's like they're scared to focus it on the older women in the set, when they are the real draw. I never don't want the soundtrack to go GO GO POWER X where X is the name of the thing I'm watching.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Pretty good backdoor pilot. A bit heavy on the overacting, but all in all, I'd give the series a chance. Over editing too. The literal stop-and-show-you-flashbacks every 5 seconds to drive every single plot point home like otherwise you'd be too loving stupid to get it drove me a little nuts. When you're clip showing the same episode to explain things you've basically just said "I am a lazy loving editor, or a bad one" I know it was a backdoor pilot but it's still part of a serialized show, it doesn't need to flashback to one episode ago like it was a different series yet.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Over editing too. The literal stop-and-show-you-flashbacks every 5 seconds to drive every single plot point home like otherwise you'd be too loving stupid to get it drove me a little nuts. When you're clip showing the same episode to explain things you've basically just said "I am a lazy loving editor, or a bad one" That was strange. Maybe they thought some people who don't usually watch the pretty boys stabbing things show might tune in for a pretty girls stabbing things episode? e: or for studio execs who don't usually watch the show. Facebook Aunt fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 19:07
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Blazing Ownager posted:Yep I was going to say. I liked all the characters there except for the one they focus on the most, who is the worst actor by a league and the least interesting character to boot. It's like they're scared to focus it on the older women in the set, when they are the real draw. Yeah, but how do you pitch this to CW executives?   My god, just look at those nasio labial folds! You expect the CW to make a show about women with wrinkles??? So they went the other way with her character, and had her greying this episode. Have we seen her with grey hairs before?  Still she gets off better than Claire. Now in addition to being badass hunter chick, Claire is a glamour girl who must spend hours a day maintaining her perfect curls and eye makeup even in the middle of poo poo going down.  Old Claire:    Now maybe there's a good in-character reason for that. Maybe to make money to support her hunting she does Youtube hair and makeup tutorials. 
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Jan 24, 2018 19:46
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Donna is all the reason I will need to watch Wayward Sisters because Donna loving rules.
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Xealot posted:You may not like Claire, but she is extremely similar to Dean. The flippant, rear end in a top hat demeanor, disdain for authority, tendency to jump into dangerous situations without a plan, the weird lone wolf poo poo where she refuses help, the martyr complex where she invites death or injury...it’s all right out of Dean’s playbook. I like Kathryn Newton but even I've noticed that she seems typecast in almost everything. Though I saw her in the Lady Bird trailer and after her other Bad Grrl roles it's hilarious:  If her other characters saw this they'd all be like NEEERRRRRD
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https://twitter.com/TheJimMichaels/status/955502957105053697
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That's the day he announced it.
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Jan 25, 2018 16:34
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BreakAtmo posted:I like Kathryn Newton but even I've noticed that she seems typecast in almost everything. Though I saw her in the Lady Bird trailer and after her other Bad Grrl roles it's hilarious: I was actually kind of surprised when I looked her up and realized she was in one of the Paranormal Activity sequels. She actually stood out to me as one of the saving graces of the diminishing sequels and she's nothing like "bratty" or "bad grrl".
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STAC Goat posted:I was actually kind of surprised when I looked her up and realized she was in one of the Paranormal Activity sequels. She actually stood out to me as one of the saving graces of the diminishing sequels and she's nothing like "bratty" or "bad grrl". I can only hope if they pick up the series they won't just write Dean and then name swap them in the script.
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I understand the Dean comparisons, but I just don't really agree with them. Yeah, she's a snarky rude rear end who jumps into fights without thinking and doesn't want to settle down. Which she's been for awhile well before this episode. But she actually listened to Jody and stayed behind, she bonded with Kaia, she felt her failure/loss more than Dean has most random people he just met, and she opted to stay home. Some of that stuff took a decade for Dean to learn and he still isn't too consistent about it. Like, there's obvious tonal similarities with them and to a certain extent that's to be expected given it was Supernatural writers writing a Supernatural episode (and specifically trying to make it FEEL like a Supernatural episode after that Bloodlines debacle). if it gets picked up to series it will have its own writing team and given time Claire has a shot to become a fully formed character of her own.
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STAC Goat posted:that's to be expected given it was Supernatural writers writing a Supernatural episode Another random thing that drives me nuts in later day Supernatural: Whenever the Winchesters come up with some silly slang for something supernatural like "Did you get your mojo back?" or whatnot, every single powerful entity, when among themselves, use the same slang. This always has been a thing with the show but in the old days they'd spit out slang, Castiel would slowly pick up on it, and nobody else would really use it unless throwing it back at them. Now it's instant meme the second they say it.
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STAC Goat posted:I understand the Dean comparisons, but I just don't really agree with them. Yeah, she's a snarky rude rear end who jumps into fights without thinking and doesn't want to settle down. Which she's been for awhile well before this episode. But she actually listened to Jody and stayed behind, she bonded with Kaia, she felt her failure/loss more than Dean has most random people he just met, and she opted to stay home. Some of that stuff took a decade for Dean to learn and he still isn't too consistent about it. Its funny that I can disagree with you entirely and still hate the comparisons. Dean was always a hot-head, but name more than 2 times in 200 episodes where he genuinely put himself in knowing danger by being a too-fast-dick. (hot-head lol). Like I said, I think Claire is just a huge annoying dumbass wet blanket, and if they're trying to base a new show off of her, they've already lost. I give it 13 episodes max. Maybe it's because I am slowly becoming an older lady but Claire really was the least interesting of all 6 women (and I had no idea about any of those other things that the actress was in.. she just sucks) Was it just me, or did they stop putting the fat pads on Donna in this last episode? Also, drat Facebook Aunt], those are some sexy pictures of these two ladies who aren't even very old lol!! 
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DoggPickle posted:Was it just me, or did they stop putting the fat pads on Donna in this last episode? Also, drat Facebook Aunt], those are some sexy pictures of these two ladies who aren't even very old lol!! It's not you. They definitely quit trying to make her look so fat and dumpy.
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DoggPickle posted:Its funny that I can disagree with you entirely and still hate the comparisons. Dean was always a hot-head, but name more than 2 times in 200 episodes where he genuinely put himself in knowing danger by being a too-fast-dick. (hot-head lol). Why do you hate America? 
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Jan 28, 2018 07:11
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Rocksicles posted:Why do you hate America? LOL you're killin' me. Craigy is my besty. I CRIED his last night on tv. But I am, in then end, A girl.  CraigyFerg would have HATED CLAIRE. Why do you hate Craigyferg?
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DoggPickle posted:LOL you're killin' me. Craigy is my besty. I CRIED his last night on tv. I'm English, we have history.
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Rocksicles posted:I'm English, we have history. Hah right on. Have a good (claire-free) night.
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Love the pilot, hope it's picked up and they run it in the off time like TWD and FTWD so we have more weeks of Supernatural all year.. Was surprised they went there and actually showed the giant One question--how did humans even evolve on Monster World?? How do they live and have a day to day society? Also if the little momster guys are just crazed killers that run around with claw hands, how do THEY have clothes?
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Astroman posted:Love the pilot, hope it's picked up and they run it in the off time like TWD and FTWD so we have more weeks of Supernatural all year.. We have zero idea of what the history of that world is. Its entirely possible that in the same way the world Mary and Jack are evolved because the Winchesters didn't stop the Angel Apocalypse that the monster world evolved because of some other thing that didn't get stopped. Maybe on that planet the Winchesters failed to stop Eve from raising her children or the Leviathons or something else. Or maybe its a world where the hunters died wiping out all the angels and demons leaving things vulnerable for all the monsters. Or where Dean opened a door from Purgatory where he got back and it stayed open. Or something entirely unrelated to the Winchesters before they were born? Who knows? But also, did we even see humans aside from evil Kaia, who could have been dimenions jumping like her counterpart? And who says monsters can't operate sewing machines? That seems racist towards evil blood sucking monsters.
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Watched it again, the Kaia reveal had no weight at all since she was basically nobody. Hooded girl should have been an evil Claire.
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Jan 28, 2018 20:36
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It fell kind of flat as a Supernatural reveal because, yeah Kaia was a nobody who had just been introduced. But if you're able to view it in the context of a pilot for Wayward Sisters then "just introduced" doesn't mean much and it theoretically works better as a setup for the season's main antagonist and storyline. That just falls kind of flat when you toss a pilot for a show that might not exist in the middle of another show's season that probably doesn't intend to address it again.
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At first I thought they were going to shut the door, and we'd never know anything about that world. It would forever be a mystery about the monsters and who the hooded figure was. That would have actually been kinda cool.
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I was hoping the person would fly around murdering poo poo and then the hood reveal would be Bobby.
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GreenNight posted:I was hoping the person would fly around murdering poo poo and then the hood reveal would be Bobby. My heart couldn't take that. Please bring Bobby back.
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GreenNight posted:I was hoping the person would fly around murdering poo poo and then the hood reveal would be Bobby. I think that's kind of the "Supernatural vs Wayward Sisters" problem. We could probably think of dozens of reveals that would have been more interesting as Supernatural fans as an antagonist for the Winchesters. But if you're writing the pilot for Wayward Sisters Bobby makes no sense at all for that moment and its pretty clear the entire Claire/Kaia thing was to set up that reveal. Well, he does have history with Jody so I guess "no sense" is a bit much.
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STAC Goat posted:Well, he does have history with Jody so I guess "no sense" is a bit much.
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Agreed. Like I said, while the Kaia reveal was an underwhelming choice for Supernatural S13E10 it was the most logical one for Wayward Sisters S1E01. Also I liked Kaia so I was happy to see her staying around in some form. It also meant she wasn't exactly another meaningless guilt death Supernatural does so many of, but at least serves a broader plot purpose.
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I know it's pretty lame to keep saying "I wish it was THIS", but I kind of KNEW it was Kaila from the beginning just from her size and shape and how she moved, but I kept wishing the whole time that they would be bold enough to kill Claire and make it a Claire clone, because that would have so much more impact in the future. Claire has background with all the other ladies and Kaia was basically brand new. They could have kept real Kaia and only killed real-Claire, and there would have been lots of baggage to work with and also a cool new actress on the team. Instead we have whiny-rear end real Claire and a villain that everyone met for what, .. a day? Plus I HATE Claire. I don't know if I'm the real intended audience since I'm old as balls, but I can't help but guess. Tons of girls watch Supernatural. We're probably older than the average CW viewer because it's been on for so drat long. Changing (making a new) the show to all women and focusing on the least popular girl with women, seems like a straight up bad choice. Go ahead though CW and prove me wrong, but I'll be watching for Jody and Donna. As soon as it's all Claire and Alex, I'm done.
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