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As far as I can tell, the British act like there's only three classes when in practice it feels more like 6, because they have similar wealth-dynamics to America, just overlaid onto the remnants of the medieval system. So you have the rich aristocrats, poor aristocrats, upper-middle, middle-middle, lower-middle, and then the lower-class, and then there's various stereotypes and expectations of every rung that I can't really penetrate at all, and there's linguistic barriers between the big class rungs. Whereas, from my American upbringing, I was taught from an early age about the "American dream" where class barriers can and should always be overcome, but not in like a communist way however that works, and even though that's not how it works, that's in the back of my head always when class comes around. I think over here in America we really try to downplay class dynamics as much as we can even though they're there.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:There are so many class dynamics going on in the allison-verse it really amazes me that non-british people are able to follow it. The only thing that's amazing is that British people seem to think that they invented the concept of class divisions 
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Jun 12, 2016 19:02
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Captain Oblivious posted:The only thing that's amazing is that British people seem to think that they invented the concept of class divisions The British tend to think that their system of class division is more significant and visible because they're preoccupied with the aristocracy and with outward signs of class, like whether or not you grew up on a council estate and whether or not you like a Burberry check pattern. And before you ask, no, this will never make an ounce of sense.
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Jun 13, 2016 09:00
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We have council estates in the States, we tend to call them The Projects as a general term. And sure, if they're notoriously poorly managed or gang-ridden in your city there might be some kind of stigma on being from there, but if you're making something of your life then no one cares. We're phasing them out for direct housing assistance anyway. The unfortunate truth is that class divisions, by and large, define people who aren't willing to exit the life they're in. Does that require a lot of work? Yes, but statistically, most wealthy people in the modern era were not born wealthy. The mayor of London is a child of Muslim immigrants. That's going to be the case with Shauna. She's an intelligent, pretty blonde who's ambitious and works hard. She's the kind of person who won't be poor forever, no matter what accent she happens to have (unless Allison wants to write a depressing story, which isn't impossible, but this is a setting where a preteen became queen of hell so a poor person getting an education and a career in a country with generous higher education funding isn't that far fetched.)
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Jun 13, 2016 16:28
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wiegieman posted:Yes, but statistically, most wealthy people in the modern era were not born wealthy. ?????
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Jun 13, 2016 16:31
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wiegieman posted:Yes, but statistically, most wealthy people in the modern era were not born wealthy. This is not remotely true in any first world country, I am afraid, even in the most ideal of social mobility conditions.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:47
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Well there are a lot of footballers.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:50
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well there is this handy guide for anyone who is confused. So, let's see if I got this right. Shauna knows her place. Lottie looks up to Mildred. Mildew sometimes looks up to Lottie. And Shauna knows her place.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:50
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wiegieman posted:We have council estates in the States, we tend to call them The Projects as a general term. And sure, if they're notoriously poorly managed or gang-ridden in your city there might be some kind of stigma on being from there, but if you're making something of your life then no one cares. We're phasing them out for direct housing assistance anyway. The unfortunate truth is that class divisions, by and large, define people who aren't willing to exit the life they're in. Does that require a lot of work? Yes, but statistically, most wealthy people in the modern era were not born wealthy. The mayor of London is a child of Muslim immigrants. That is a pretty typical American opinion, yes. Not necessarily wrong in the US, but certainly inaccurate in the UK. Problem is in the UK it's nigh-on impossible to "escape" the class you were born in, due to factors like education and the like being very biased towards the upper classes - our Higher Education funding is only "generous" compared to the US (HE is free in most of Europe) and lower class kids are being priced out of university in favour of people who can afford it. In many cases - it is difficult to even maintain quality of living if you're working class in the UK. Meanwhile, the upper and middle classes will disparage you for not "working hard enough". Even if you DO make a decent living as a working class person in the UK, you often have to deal with being looked down upon, or even outright discriminated against for speaking the wrong accent, or having poor parents. It's happened to myself, and it's happened to almost everyone I know. In America, classes don't really define a person; In the UK, class permeates through everything. It may very well be the case with that a person like Shauna would succeed in life, yes - but her class would make it more difficult, and someone of higher class with the same experience and skills would almost certainly do better.
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Disproportionation posted:That is a pretty typical American opinion, yes. Not necessarily wrong in the US, but certainly inaccurate in the UK. It's wrong in the US as well.
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Oxxidation posted:It's wrong in the US as well. The UK actually beats the US on most metrics of social mobility in fact. It's a wildly wrong statement just about anywhere.
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Jun 13, 2016 21:56
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Saoshyant posted:So, let's see if I got this right. Look man these are modern kids and they're being written by a mild-mannered British nerd so just go with your gut feelings. Mildred and Lottie are regular friends, Mildred's parents are just goofy neo-hippies. There's no conflict there. Shauna is obviously from a different background, and there's conflict there. The bobbins/scarygoround crew is much the same. Shelley and friends work at a magazine, and nobody brings up any family stuff besides Amy being their boss's kid (A truly international concept). But Bruno works at an oil platform, and his presence unbalances the office dynamic. He's working class.
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Jun 13, 2016 22:06
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Bruno knows his place.
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Jun 13, 2016 22:38
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wiegieman posted:The unfortunate truth is that class divisions, by and large, define people who aren't willing to exit the life they're in. Does that require a lot of work? Yes, but statistically, most wealthy people in the modern era were not born wealthy. The mayor of London is a child of Muslim immigrants. Also extra lol I didn't even notice this part the first go around. Quite possibly the most sheltered post I've ever seen. 
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\/You have a point, and this is dumb to continue.
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Jun 14, 2016 05:05
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By all means, let's have this argument in the Scary Go Round webcomic thread.
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Jun 14, 2016 05:07
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Oh no, housing for poor people!
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Jun 14, 2016 21:04
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I just assumed the other guys felt threatened by Bruno because he is big and hyper-masculine, and it made them feel self conscious. And since according to Amy he doesn't speak much, the image that formed in my head for the character was that of a large physically intimidating dude who's not very social. It never even occurred to me that they didn't like him because of his working class job.
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Galvanik posted:I just assumed the other guys felt threatened by Bruno because he is big and hyper-masculine, and it made them feel self conscious. And since according to Amy he doesn't speak much, the image that formed in my head for the character was that of a large physically intimidating dude who's not very social. It's less "don't like him because of his working class job" and more "aren't comfortable around him because, on some level, they know that he lives in a very different world than they do".
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Jun 14, 2016 23:36
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It's all three of those things combined.
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Jun 15, 2016 12:15
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I'm enjoying John's attempts on Twitter at being a hot artist. It's a bold new direction. https://twitter.com/badmachinery/status/743101815655440384 https://twitter.com/badmachinery/status/743106059880009729
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Jun 15, 2016 18:14
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https://twitter.com/badmachinery/status/743103170348474368
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Jun 15, 2016 23:10
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I hope this arc ends with us meeting Cecile's small goth friend, and the cycle can begin anew.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:31
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I keep wondering whether Lottie is just crazy or if there's actually really gnomes and fairies everywhere, and from the rest of Bad Machinery, there's absolutely no way to tell.
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Jun 17, 2016 15:24
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I followed the link on the latest page back to 2009-era scary go round. Their first story does not paint the Wickles in a flattering light.
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Jun 19, 2016 08:47
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Man no commentary on the death of Sonny's sister? You guys are ice-cold. Also, he's killing it with the alt-text style comments below each strip now, I hope he never stops.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:44
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Well, we know she isn't dead. This is in the past and even Lottie wouldn't be that nonchalant about it if she had died. The commentary at the bottom of the strips is indeed good, but it doesn't show up on a feed reader so I have to remember to visit the site.
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Jun 26, 2016 13:49
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Well, this was an easily solved mystery.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:10
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Pistol_Pete posted:Well, this was an easily solved mystery. The hard part's going to be getting back out.
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Jun 28, 2016 20:29
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I found a John Allison comic book (one of the Bad Machinery collections) at a store and it's huge and beautiful, like the later Calvin and Hobbes collections. I wasn't expecting such a gorgeous book.
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GOATY MAN! I have to wonder, with the face Mildred is making there, and the... specific angle Allison draws the Satyr at, if he's going with the, let's say, "historical" mythology of the Satyr in this instance? Is he saying that the goat man has a big dick?
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Jun 30, 2016 02:06
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at the very least, he doesn't seem to be wearing anything belowdecks. i'm not sure how much the exact size really matters, beyond that...
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quote:June 29, 2016 :: When I was a teenager, the Waterboys released a single that declared, repeatedly, "the great god Pan is alive". This was the kind of grandly preposterous statement that it's hard to imagine Skepta or Stormzy being able to deliver with a straight face. This was of course a reference to a story told by Plutarch. quote:Plutarch writes that during the reign of Tiberius Caesar, an Egyptian pilot, Thamus, sailing to Italy, was called by a strange voice, which cried out to him: "Thamus, when you reach Palodes, tell them that the great god Pan is dead!" Following certain portents, Thamus did as he was told; Plutarch writes that a great lamentation rose from the shore at this news.
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It's a pretty good song, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFM-noJhTI0 It's a shame that The Waterboys are only really remembered for The Whole of the Moon, because they've got a great catalogue.
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Jun 30, 2016 13:14
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See, this is exactly why the Mystery Boys need Sonny along.
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Can I just say that I've enjoyed Jack's journey from SHYEST DORK to SWAGGERING LYNX-SCENTED ULTRADUDE more than is entirely reasonable?
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Autonomous Monster posted:Can I just say that I've enjoyed Jack's journey from SHYEST DORK to SWAGGERING LYNX-SCENTED ULTRADUDE more than is entirely reasonable? Worth noting this section is happening entirely in Charlotte's imagination.
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Fangz posted:Worth noting this section is happening entirely in Charlotte's imagination. Oh, I meant his arc over the entire comic. I'm not certain how seriously we're supposed to take the unreliable narrator thing, though.
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I'm deeply concerned that after the Bobbinsverse was finally rid of Rich Tweedy, Jack is apparently metamorphosing into his second coming.
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The Lottie floating head effects are the best thing ever.
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