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That, and having magic seems to only be lethal to men, since they're naturally so much more powerful in the gift. Plus, males born with wizard powers are hella-rare at this point, Gifted Women seem to be much more common. With that in mind, they probably aren't as urgent to recruit more Sisters, so a girl could probably say No without having to fear any real fallout.
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the_steve posted:a girl could probably say No without having to fear any real fallout. You really haven't read this series!
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Feb 20, 2015 16:25
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Masonity posted:You really haven't read this series! daaaamn
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Feb 20, 2015 16:46
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Masonity posted:You really haven't read this series! 
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Feb 20, 2015 16:56
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Masonity posted:You really haven't read this series!  The only worthwhile thing to come out of that wretched book.
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Feb 21, 2015 19:09
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I'm really looking forward to seeing the rundown on the next book. I remember reading WFR in uni and thinking it was okay for standard genre fantasy stuff. Then I very vaguely remember reading the second book and possibly the third, but it all became a big blur, probably due to the fact that nothing was happening. I stopped reading them until I got another glimpse a few years later, when a housemate moving overseas left behind some random junk, including book #4. I remember this book's contrived situations just being hilariously bad.
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Watching the show: My reaction as it happens, without context. Because I think it's funnier that way.  Episode 10: Sacrifice  Just... spoilers. All of the spoilers.So I already figured out that Kahlan wasn't the Mother Confessor because she met with another confessor who didn’t seem to care what Kahlan had to say. But I'm still surprised at the introduction of the show's Mother Confessor. The real question is- are they going to kill her now or at the end of the episode?  I'm continually surprised by the continuity changes that upset me. Why do I care that Kahlan isn't the Mother Confessor?  ... Hey, Zedd grew that chick's hand back! Good. Someone should be useful. ... Kahlan in a Mord-Sith outfit is kind of really sexy. Holy poo poo.  Hey! Wouldya look at that, Kahlan pretending to be a Mord-Sith to get to the prison warden is a really clever plan and Richard isn't being a little bitch about Kahlan mistreating him for the part! Good job. Double points for the plan working.  ... OH poo poo! Baby boy confessor! Are they going to kill a baby? On TV?  Guess not. Pussies. ... Oh snap! The big MC just used her power on Zedd. So much for First Wizards having a defense against that. Now I know dis bitch is gonna die. More so than just killing her to give her title to Kahlan, I mean.  ...  My fiancé just asked why they don't just confess the baby so it doesn't turn evil. That's a good question!... I guess the plan is now to save the baby. It's almost the the show creators think killing babies is evil, or something. Didn't anyone tell them that boy confessors always grow up to be super rapists? Why aren't our heroes on the baby-killing bandwagon?  ... NASS JUST GOT TAKEN BY KAHLAN. WUT. And now he's dead. What a waste.  And now so is the old MC and they voted Kahlan to be the new MC! What a twist! Totally didn't see that coming coming guys! ... Baby still alive, worst heroes ever. 
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Feb 23, 2015 07:23
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 Temple of the Winds is the novel where we ride the crazy train and cut the brakes, folks. It uses a plot I tend to be fond of seeing in fantasy settings, and then adds some reeeeeeal terrible trappings. But first, let's discuss Cara. As we've seen, the other Mord-Sith took to the proclamation of "You're free, deal with it" pretty well. Sure, a few of them felt that they owed Richard Rahl a debt, becoming his elite bodyguards, but most of them decided to be themselves in the process, starting a life that didn't begin and end with whatever that week's Rahl commanded. They took lovers, found hobbies, or in some cases, just went "I'm loving done here" and left. Cara, on the other hand, decided to think her next move through when she was granted freedom. After all, directly after Richard went "you're free, deal with it", his dead dad came back and moved back into the People's Palace. Cara was the head honcho in deciding to defend the place in Richard's name, helping to rally some of her sisters, any loyal guardsmen, and embarking on a suicide-charge to let the Lords Rahl settle their differences once and for all without interruption. Cara, you see, is not going to let Richard Rahl get his fool rear end killed if she can help it. And as far as she can see, he is totally going to die without protection, because he is poo poo-stupid in the ways of magic, politics, and pretty much everything outside of "finding someone in the woods". The big problem is that this flies entirely opposite his claim that he's going to make sure his Mord-Sith all die "of old age in a bed somewhere". In another world, Temple of the Winds is a novel that would use Cara as a central figure to explore that horrible paradox, because the story structure of the book lends itself well to the toll that kind of catch-22 would take on Cara and Richard both. Hell, there are still going to be times that it works out that way in the actual text. But that's not the story of Temple of the Winds. We'll get there. I told you that story before I began this one because the novel begins with Cara doing what Cara does best. quote:“Let me kill him,” Cara said, her boot strikes sounding like rawhide mallets hammering the polished marble floor. You see, a man has walked into the palace, begun wandering randomly, and asked to see Lord Rahl. This is not a thing that should be able to happen. quote:“In here,” Kahlan said. “It’s shorter this way, and besides, I want to see what petitioners are waiting, in view of our strange visitor. He could even be a diversion to draw our attention away from someone else- the true threat.” Well, okay, that wasn't all he did. His request also set off a few alarm bells. Speaking of setting off alarm bells... quote:In the sudden silence that filled Petitioners’ Hall, Kahlan paused to acknowledge the gathered visitors. A young woman standing against the far wall watched as all those around her fell to one knee. She glanced in Kahlan’s direction, back to those kneeling, and then followed suit. Now, I want to give praise to this opening chapter. Basically all I'm excising this time out is the recap segments, which leaves the rather tense premise that the two women are dealing with: quote:The young man, dressed in an outsized soldier’s uniform that looked to have been scrounged together from dissimilar sources, peered up at Kahlan, then over his shoulder at the man who had kicked him. He ducked his head of dishevelled dark hair and shielded it with a gangly arm, expecting a blow.
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Feb 24, 2015 20:59
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You know, Cara is about the only character who actually goes through character development and growth throughout the series.
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Feb 24, 2015 21:05
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I actually looked up her arc and I had forgotten some of her later escapades, but yeah, that just made me feel MORE justified in writing that part. Cara is hands-down one of the best-written characters in this entire world.
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Feb 24, 2015 21:10
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So a reason is going to be given why the Empire sent The Worst Assassin to kill Dick Roll, right? ...Right?
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Feb 24, 2015 22:46
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SirPhoebos posted:So a reason is going to be given why the Empire sent The Worst Assassin to kill Dick Roll, right? It would be pretty hilarious if they sent him just as a kind of insult, like "We'd prefer it if you were dead, but we don't actually care enough to make it happen." But knowing Goodkind, it's more likely that it'll just be some random bullshit magic that's supposed to protect the current Rahl from assassination or that the assassin is looking to switch sides.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:00
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If I recollect correctly he's some kind of magic suicide bomber who's relying on Jagang's interpretation of Rickroll's character via the Sisters of the Dark to get cose to him - i.e. Jagang knows that Richard won't let something like this go by without looking into it personally, then the dude just explodes. Or maybe I'm just making that up, I'm honestly not sure.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:29
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I remember something about jagang using his possession trick on his spy mid-interrogation and no-selling the magic pain dildo with it
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Feb 24, 2015 23:40
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quote:“And if we don’t let you have your sword and knife back,” she asked, “then what?” And then it turns out he's a wizard, causing things to go to hell real fast. He blacks out all the lamps and overturns bookshelves to cover his movements. There's a scuffle in the darkness, and Kahlan trying to get to him to use her power, but everyone in the room save Cara has forgotten/never knew one thing: quote:But before she could leap for him, his curled fingers twitched up. With a contemptuous sneer, he thrust one hand toward Cara. Now, let me just spell this out in case I was too subtle before: this novel is going to lean heavily on Cara and the Mord-Sith. quote:Cara flicked her blond braid back over her shoulder. “It was my intent to protect you and Lord Rahl. I have succeeded.” But here's part of what you need to know: Kahlan is kind of an rear end about this whole thing. quote:“Marlin, don’t mistake my distaste for torture as a lack of resolve. If you don’t start telling me what I want to know,” she whispered, “I’m going to go for a long walk and then to dinner and I’m going to leave you in here all alone with Cara. Crazy as she is, I’ll leave you alone with her. And then, when I come back, if you still think to hold out on me, I’m going to use my power on you, and you can’t even imagine how much worse that will be. Cara can’t even come close to what I can do; she can use your magic and your mind. I can destroy it. Is that what you want?” Because that's what a whole lot of this comes down to (and I snipped it for space): Kahlan is telling herself that it was DENNA who was terrible, and not this entire order who now serves her husband. With DENNA dead, everything will be fine. But she still loathes them and their terrible work... even while she's content to let them do the deed so she doesn't have to. There are going to be a lot of times during Temple of the Winds where I comment on what a stronger author could do with these story beats. Even so, the early chunk of this novel is actually drat solid. Liiiiiiike this: quote:“This just doesn’t make any sense. Jagang is far from stupid; there has to be more to it. He must have some plan to this. Something more than we’re seeing.” If you're wondering why these posts got a lot bigger, it's because right now, I'm covering chapters 1:1 in these posts. This is the first time I've done this in ages.
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Hey, I just had a thought... In order to be free from the dreamwalker's power, you have to swear loyalty to Dick, right? But what about people Kahlan takes with her power? They aren't able to be loyal to anyone but Kahlan, not even in the stupid rules-lawyery way the SotD got around it. Does that mean they are open to Jagang's influence? It wouldn't matter how loyal they are to Kahlan, because Jagang can make people do things against their will or even just spy through their eyes without them knowing. I know it never came up in the books I read, but that would have been a really interesting twist.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:22
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It's entirely possible. I don't think that ever comes up in any fashion. My response to that would be "it only works once" because after that you probably have her making long-term slaves take the oath. And I don't think there are any more of those in the series.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:24
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Was there ever a point in time where it was noted that Jagang could easily just stop people swearing loyalty to dickface. When they got sick and missed a swearing time, just before they swoore, kidnapping them and holding them down so they can't perform the ritual, etc etc. THe ruleslawyery way round it seems like a really bad way to go when he can just take control of your brain any time he likes.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:45
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thespaceinvader posted:Was there ever a point in time where it was noted that Jagang could easily just stop people swearing loyalty to dickface. When they got sick and missed a swearing time, just before they swoore, kidnapping them and holding them down so they can't perform the ritual, etc etc. THe ruleslawyery way round it seems like a really bad way to go when he can just take control of your brain any time he likes. I don't think you have to do the ritual, it's just symbolic. As long as you admit in your heart that Richard is your lord and savior, you're golden.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:15
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the_steve posted:I don't think you have to do the ritual, it's just symbolic. As long as you admit in your heart that Richard is your lord and savior, you're golden. Pretty much this. Kahlan, Zedd and Adie never spent hours bowed down chanting, yet their good.
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quote:Her red leather outfit creaked as she rested her forearms on her knees. At first it was that they only wore red when they were going to be training, because of the blood. Did that actually stop being a thing a some point, or did Goodkind forget?
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Feb 26, 2015 13:58
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If you have to ask, you're forgetting which author you're reading.
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Feb 26, 2015 18:55
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Gambor posted:At first it was that they only wore red when they were going to be training, because of the blood. Did that actually stop being a thing a some point, or did Goodkind forget? They normally wear red, they only wear other colors when training to show how broken their victim is, iirc.
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Feb 26, 2015 19:17
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Gambor posted:At first it was that they only wore red when they were going to be training, because of the blood. Did that actually stop being a thing a some point, or did Goodkind forget? He pointed out in the prologue that she was wearing the red specifically because she was going to be involved in interrogating this guy. It's not his bad.
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thespaceinvader posted:Was there ever a point in time where it was noted that Jagang could easily just stop people swearing loyalty to dickface. When they got sick and missed a swearing time, just before they swoore, kidnapping them and holding them down so they can't perform the ritual, etc etc. THe ruleslawyery way round it seems like a really bad way to go when he can just take control of your brain any time he likes. I hate Goodkind (and my younger self for liking the books) but come on. It's an act that has lost meaning and become rote ritual for a line of people who styled themselves as god kings. The obeisance ritual became the hour long bowing not because that is what was needed but because the Rahls let it become that. Hundreds (or thousands?) of years makes any ritual observation get weird, especially without context.
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:There are going to be a lot of times during Temple of the Winds where I comment on what a stronger author could do with these story beats. Even so, the early chunk of this novel is actually drat solid. Liiiiiiike this: I think this is the first time the book has actually made me want to know what happens next on its own merits. I like this little scene. Maybe it's because characters are acting smarter than usual?
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I think this is the first time the book has actually made me want to know what happens next on its own merits. I like this little scene. Maybe it's because characters are acting smarter than usual? I know its been said a few times but the plot is not focusing on Dick Roll and instead on rational people like Cara who is someone who remembers what their own abilities and strengths are and uses them to actually resolve issues and advance the plot.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I think this is the first time the book has actually made me want to know what happens next on its own merits. I like this little scene. Maybe it's because characters are acting smarter than usual? I think it's because Rick Rahl isn't in the book yet.
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Mors Rattus posted:I think it's because Rick Rahl isn't in the book yet. That's likely the case. I think Cara is the only one who doesn't take a large penalty to all Competency checks whenever he's involved in a scene.
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A lot of the plots require the characters to do absurd things like leave the Sword of Truth behind or drop it in a market or forget to tell their best friend of 20 years a small fact that will destroy the world, so seeing them take proactive measures is refreshing. That, and Goodkind is finally (in the fourth book) addressing some of the things from the climax of book one: what is it like for these people to rule a kingdom, what happened to the Mord-Sith, etc.? Did anyone else find it strange that he basically skipped over that entirely in book two and even in book three all he went with was "Richard threatens everyone." Where are the scenes of the humble hero getting used to his new big palace, or meeting his advisors, etc. that almost any other book would deal with.
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timeandtide posted:A lot of the plots require the characters to do absurd things like leave the Sword of Truth behind or drop it in a market or forget to tell their best friend of 20 years a small fact that will destroy the world, so seeing them take proactive measures is refreshing. P... Pff... Hahahahahahahahahahahahah what
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GreyPowerVan posted:P... Pff... Hahahahahahahahahahahahah what It's a question of the supposed original premise, not of what actually comes through. Remember, Dick started out as your incredibly standard boilerplate fantasy protagonist. He was a simple woods guide who just wanted to live a quiet life, despite the heavy-handed secret his foster dad dumped on him. This still suggests itself when he throws his "magic ain't poo poo" tantrums and solves things with Keep in mind that Dick Roll is not supposed to come off as an egomaniacal sociopath. He's just an upstanding common man thrust into the spotlight by circumstance. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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He definitely comes off as a prick.
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Feb 28, 2015 06:28
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GreyPowerVan posted:He definitely comes off as a prick. That's Terry Goodkind writing what he knows
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Well, see, the ubermensch is a natural leader and will need no time to acclimate when called upon to become the unstoppable God-Emperor of all the land.
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Feb 28, 2015 18:19
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SatansOnion posted:That's Terry Goodkind writing what he knows Actually we've already established the one and only thing Goodkind can write fairly well is female dominatrix torture/murderers so
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Finally finished Chainfire last night. All I have left is Phantom and Confessor, and I'm free from Goodkind. Sweet freedom.
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the_steve posted:Finally finished Chainfire last night. All I have left is Phantom and Confessor, and I'm free from Goodkind. Sweet freedom. Nope, there's at least four more books. One is digital only, the other three are 'the continuing adventures of R&K.'
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TheCenturion posted:Nope, there's at least four more books. One is digital only, the other three are 'the continuing adventures of R&K.' Lalala, I can't hear you. Confessor is the end of it for me.
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the_steve posted:Lalala, I can't hear you. Confessor is the end of it for me. Don't forget to read "Rule of Nine" or whatever!!
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