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Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Yeah, I'm liking the "humans sneak in socially, wait a minute, then drop the marines" plan.

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Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
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quote:

While we're at it, I would like some feedback from you players on how things are going.
You still having fun?

I am. To a degree. It's like this - I've spent a fair portion of my xp on being a social guy. Most of it I can't use a fair portion of the time. I've never rolled a Command test, which is what my class (and role) is -for-. At least, as the captain, I get to coordinate stuff and occasionally talk to people IC - I can only imagine that the other marines that have played feel like they're kept in a box labeled "Don't open 'till all-out, premeditated combat".

I guess I could start Disguise Kit-ing away the horn stubs, wear tail-friendly carapace and just pretend to be a human (Rogue Trader art always makes the RTs look like massive mountains of dude anyway, and the discussion in the TG 40kRPG topic seemed to indicate that Alpha Legionnaires are kind of puny compared to other Astartes), but that only solves the problem for me.

quote:

Are there things I'm doing well?

I really dig the combat expediting - the whole "give priority list and numbers" thing. Let's be honest - the brutal reality of high-level 40k combat is "combatant dodges/parries/gets missed at for X rounds - until he doesn't - then he dies." Combined with your descriptions, it keeps the game moving while still feeling like those involved pulled off cool stuff.

quote:

things I suck at?

Not that you expressly -suck- at it, but I would like some clarity regarding whether improving social abilities will pay better dividends.

quote:

Things you'd like to see or do?

As far as ship-wide stuff, maybe terrorizing a RT colony planet. Some place far enough in the sticks that we won't write it off as impossible due to immediate and massive retribution from Guard/Loyalmarines. Lets the corruptors corrupt, and the fighters fight. It would be splitting the party, though.

As far as personal stuff, Aethun's already suspicious of Corvax, and he doesn't even think of himself as much of an Alpha Legionnaire anymore (IC, due to Slaanesh, OOC mostly because doing AL-type stuff like playing with the party and our objectives like toys without involving them feels lame). Maybe some stuff from the "real" Alpha Legion messing with him, asking him to use his resources or the ship for shady/seemingly stupid stuff.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Okay, so series of mild inquiries that kind of piles up into one question.

So, the Immolator's going after R'T'S and company - that's fine. Makes more military sense than trying to steer their tank into a church.

That said, in order to limit the fire (and basically make it Rubrics vs. Tank, Us vs. Ground Troops), I'd like to basically enrage/provoke/goad them into going into the church. As per the Unholy Icon description, apparently just seeing an eight-pointed star on a chain is enough to drive some people crazy with rage, so Corvax is going to take one of the nearby icons or articles of faith, desecrate it in some horrifying, better-left-undescribed Slaaneshi fashion and then throw it outside. If everything goes to plan, faith will trump military tactics and we'll split them up.

So, is such a thing possible, and if so, I assume it would be a willpower-based Intimidation check?

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Nah, it's fine. I happily defer to anyone who has a better grasp of the situation tactically. I'll readily admit I'm not the best at this sort of thing.

Do the tank guns have a blind spot / minimum range? That's what scared me the most regarding charging the tank with a sword - getting point-blank'd by a vehicle-sized melta.

EDIT: I guess what I'm really saying is "HELP!"

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Question: I take it the Khornates slaughtered all of the non-combat sisters?

And yeah, sticking with Champion. Corvax isn't a Veteran of the Long War, too far gone from the mainstream AL to justify using their resources -more- (as is the case with the AL archetype), and not crazy enough to be a Noise Marine. Plus, giving the Nurglites re-rolls and the Khornates non-crappy wound regeneration has served us well thus far.

Also, my vote's for going with Jayden, both IC and OOC. See post on next page.

Jolinaxas fucked around with this message at Feb 4, 2015 around 13:15

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


goatface posted:

If I buy Greater Minion, can I trade in my role-boosted lesser minion for (rank 1 talent equivalent) 250 xp?

Also, can I make that greater minion a spooky psychic ghost? Boli would like a ghost friend.

That's what I've been doing with Lucretia. Lesser Minion came with my Archetype, and I've spent 500 Total to have a Greater Minion.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Lord Koth posted:

no offense, Corvax, but you're not really a good Alpha Legionnaire anyways. Or at least that's what you want us all to believe

None taken - my portrayal of him hasn't been the most consistent thing I've ever done - though let me expound a bit on why exactly that is.

My major reasons are OOC - Aethun didn't give me any AL side objectives or anything like that, and I wasn't going to screw with people and/or their plans just for the fun of it. My initial impressions about this game, for better or worse, led me to believe we'd be in Imperial Space a lot more, and fighting a hell of a lot less, where a more "classic" AL member would shine. Corvax still retains some AL traits (preference for deception and terrorist-esque harassment over open warfare, extreme compartmentalization of information, using pawns over oneself), just not ones he's been able to really show off.

That led to interesting stuff narrative-wise, though. Mechanically, he fell to Slaanesh pretty quickly, so I decided to let that become a disillusionment with the "inscrutable bullshit for inscrutable bullshit's sake" way his Legion usually did things, and focusing on the "be the best, seek perfection, and let everyone know it" side of Slaanesh. To be honest, I think I'm enjoying that a lot more than I would enjoy divisive scheming involving GM note-passing (or sabotaging Hashim's power-armor pants to fall down when we meet with his Daemon friend.)

As a side note, changing my vote to "anything but the Master". I'll go with the majority on this.

Jolinaxas fucked around with this message at Feb 4, 2015 around 13:16

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Since my vote was basically "anyone but the Master", I guess I'll throw in with Aethun.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Corvax is very good at disguise and has a set of carapace, so he can pass as a jacked up human - would only having to disguise one marine (or is it two?) change anything? Honestly, as long as no one leaves any shells, we could just have the marines provide and secure the exit strategy of whatever the humans do. That'll keep us out of sight.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


I'll decline the dodge, it's only like a 30% chance anyway. That being said, I'm a little miffed that rather than being told "nope, can't do either of those things you wanted" and asking what I wanted to do, Corvax was dropped basically into the worst possible position for someone of his skillset, given the terrain (like less than 24ft of balcony he could walk on to drop into the marine/stormtrooper crowd even if it took an extra turn to do so)

I'll likely spend an infamy to ignore prone (yay Slaanesh) and then 2 on wound recovery. Is initiative back at the top of the order, with the tacmarine about to go again?

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


I'm sorry if I came off a little... I don't know, whiny? I'm not asking to be teleported onto the dude. If I couldn't have reached him, I couldn't have reached him. I just set the conditionals like I did for a specific reason, and I maybe should have clarified the strategy on that a little more than an IC aside

EDIT: Namely that I am indeed a slowmarine with no power field, and that jumping onto him means he has to back up and give me an OA to use a heavy weapon, or that jumping into a crowd means that he at least gets a penalty to shoot me and can't suppress me without scattering them as well. And that staying up on the completely wrap-around balcony for a turn like a coward to get a better drop position is preferable to, well... getting almost one-shot by him because I landed in the open. Which is exactly what happened, heh.

My apologies. Also, wasn't trying to knock the speed of combat. As I mentioned when you asked the group a few questions a while back, you've handled the... challenging combat system of BC admirably, especially given the medium. Just wanted a quick clarification since I would have had to wait on the results of a dice roll (the 2 +wounds activations, which could have given me as much as 12 or as little as 4 back) to see what to do.

Jolinaxas fucked around with this message at Sep 6, 2015 around 20:09

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


quote:

On a slightly related note, what the hell can I throw at you all that would give you challenging combat?

It's a tough situation.

1) Anything that would mildly wound (say, something with an average of 20-22 damage) a marine will usually send a human straight to criticaltown or nearby. Felling is something we have to deal with that humans don't, but most Felling stuff that Loyalists would have is pretty week.

2) The book says "crowds for marines, solos for humans" but as you mentioned, crowds are easily handled by all sorts of measures. Maybe squads of Frateris Militia too hopped up on faith to be broken/suppressed? Or penal legionnaires on Frenzon? And just a big ol' bunch of them to weather the initial blastmaster and grenade salvos without becoming anemic in the process?

3) Part of the issue is that we're an inflitration group, which means that them just happening to have things like Arc-Flagellants and Rocket Launcher Servitors around when we strike wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Hell, if Deathwatch wasn't escorting an Inquisitor, they'd never have been at this party and it would have been even more of a slaughter.

4) Using suppression and/or fear is problematic in the PBP environment (hell, ask any D&D player how problematic being Slept is at the table), but it might be an option if we provide those "if x do y" lists for combat and just have you run it behind the scenes, like with the Eldar fight.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


A world at war might actually work. Drop down and prop up a flagging insurgency or drag out an already long-running conflict. Maybe assassinate someone. *Shrug*

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Yeah, I'm fine with that. Was ready to offer Corvax's camo-cloak, actually, until I saw that Dash had his own.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


John Dyne posted:

It's an opposed check and you only failed by, what, one or two DoF?

Just hope they fail by more than that.

This reminds me, I always forget to give out the RT bonus...

In the future, if Corvax is around and only one person's doing something important, they should probably go ahead and assume they get it.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Except that directly contradicts the entire reason for this ruse: we have to "die" so that the big "I" closes the case, rather than sticking around (or worse, coming down even harder) to possibly figure out that the new President is down with Chaos.

Edit: This is directed at Goatface's post. The one above this post snuck in while I was typing.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Yeah, go for it.

In fact, you might better off suppressing someone? But even though that is less likely to -cause damage-, It'll probably get you shot at. Up to you.

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Sorry; switched jobs in July and have been getting absolutely wrecked in terms of available time, and willingness to get a whole bunch of numbers together; I'll admit, combat's never been my draw to PBP. Anyway, I return from schedule-based exile to see what can be salvaged, here.

In terms of what I might be able to do to save my 4-year-old slowmarine, what did he and I roll? Just wondering if Legacy of Excess/Best Quality/etc might be able to let me add a DoS with an IP to maybe tie him for sure, or if I'll have to re-roll (if that can even save me). I would never have spent an IP on +10 before the fact without the benefit of hindsight (I never would have assumed a single hit would so thoroughly wreck me, heh), so I won't, but if I re-roll, I might as well use one on that. And the +1 DoS. Gonna lose it for good if he dies, anyway, and spending it on Wounds ablatively/pre-emptively seems a little against the intent of the rules.

I assume he can't be Beguiled, and that Size doesn't affect Feint.

Jolinaxas fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2017 around 05:40

Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


WS vs. Feint Re-Roll: 1d100 46

WS 60 + Best Quality Weapon 10 = TN 70
So one for passing, 3 for difference in tens digits for 4 initial DoS.
+1 DoS from Legacy of Excess, +1 DoS from spent fate point. 6, so we tie and he gets parried. Whew. At 3/7 IP.

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Jolinaxas
Oct 24, 2012

I'm in the business of...
Absolution


Yeah, let's steer away from combat for a while.

Jayden sounds the most interesting, if we're not going it alone.

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