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TwistedLadder
Mar 16, 2011

The only Disney Princess with a body count... in the thousands.
Two adults, especially adults in a position of authority, banging a minor is gross. That's called "rape" (you might have heard of it?) and it is wrong.

I'd rather argue about Prometheus or Goku or drawings of Geekboy's schlong than continue reading posts about this.

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Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Goku owns.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



TwistedLadder posted:

Two adults, especially adults in a position of authority, banging a minor is gross. That's called "rape" (you might have heard of it?) and it is wrong.

I'd rather argue about Prometheus or Goku or drawings of Geekboy's schlong than continue reading posts about this.

Seriously. If that was two male teachers and a 16 year old girl there would be calls to cut off their dicks. The double standard is gross.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

TwistedLadder posted:

Two adults, especially adults in a position of authority, banging a minor is gross. That's called "rape" (you might have heard of it?) and it is wrong.

I'd rather argue about Prometheus or Goku or drawings of Geekboy's schlong than continue reading posts about this.
I said this to Salt Cures Ham on Twitter but the kid said it was consensual and was bragging about it to the entire football team. I completely agree that it was an abuse of authority, though. He was 16 and the age of consent here is 17, but it would've been creepy even if he'd been 17 because it was still his teachers.

I can't even fathom how a relationship like that begins. I was thinking about it earlier and I would have no idea how to deal with being approached with a situation like that in high school. I know I wouldn't have been able to say yes to something like that, but that's it.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.
Every time I hear one of these stories all I can think of is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfOjkB17BA

Because loving South Park is the only well known piece of media that has ever commented on this subject.

TwistedLadder
Mar 16, 2011

The only Disney Princess with a body count... in the thousands.

weekly font posted:

Seriously. If that was two male teachers and a 16 year old girl there would be calls to cut off their dicks. The double standard is gross.
My thoughts exactly.

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

I said this to Salt Cures Ham on Twitter but the kid said it was consensual and was bragging about it to the entire football team. I completely agree that it was an abuse of authority, though. He was 16 and the age of consent here is 17, but it would've been creepy even if he'd been 17 because it was still his teachers.
I don't give a gently caress about the legal age of consent or whether the kid said he consented or not, it's still gross and wrong. Consent in situations where one person is subject to the authority of the other(s) is dubious at best.
Agreed.
I met the voice actor who did a lot of the Dragonball z voices once, that was cool.

TwistedLadder fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Oct 3, 2014

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

TwistedLadder posted:

Two adults, especially adults in a position of authority, banging a minor is gross. That's called "rape" (you might have heard of it?) and it is wrong.

I'd rather argue about Prometheus or Goku or drawings of Geekboy's schlong than continue reading posts about this.

Superman is a lovely version of Goku. This is a thing I'm prepared to defend.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Literally The Worst posted:

Superman is a lovely version of Goku. This is a thing I'm prepared to defend.

You're King of the Animes, of course you'd say that.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Who would win if 34-year-old Superman fights a16-year-old Goku?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

CPL593H posted:

You're King of the Animes, of course you'd say that.

Goku is basically Superman but without a single ounce of deceit or mistrust or anything, he's exactly what he claims to be and he thinks everyone including a monster that almost destroyed humanity can be redeemed. Goku fuckin' owns.

The first 14 volumes of Dragon Ball, the actual DB portion of the storyline, are seriously good reading. DBZ is good too, up through Frieza at least, but the DB portion is some fantastic loving comics.

TwistedLadder
Mar 16, 2011

The only Disney Princess with a body count... in the thousands.

Literally The Worst posted:

Goku is basically Superman but without a single ounce of deceit or mistrust or anything, he's exactly what he claims to be and he thinks everyone including a monster that almost destroyed humanity can be redeemed. Goku fuckin' owns.

The first 14 volumes of Dragon Ball, the actual DB portion of the storyline, are seriously good reading. DBZ is good too, up through Frieza at least, but the DB portion is some fantastic loving comics.

Goku is definitely better than Superman for these reasons imho.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Literally The Worst posted:

Superman is a lovely version of Goku. This is a thing I'm prepared to defend.

You must have a unique perception of time, unless you can show me comic with Goku that predates Action Comics #1 you have your causality backwards.

CloseFriend
Aug 21, 2002

Un malheur ne vient jamais seul.
I've been reading Showcase Presents Superman 1 and I've decided that, while I still don't like Superman, I love Silver Age Superman. Check out this cover Discount Viscount alerted me to!

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Prepare to have nightmares:

Every Tim Allen grunt at 25% speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNOs1GZ3AsU

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.
Goku never turned his girlfriend into a black woman so she could experience the plight of minorities in America.

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I
Superman was cool when he was as much about throwing factory bosses to the curb as he was about stuffing muggers in trash cans.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Prepare to have nightmares:

Every Tim Allen grunt at 25% speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNOs1GZ3AsU

This is already what goes on in my mind most of the time

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

CPL593H posted:

Goku never turned his girlfriend into a black woman so she could experience the plight of minorities in America.

Goku doesn't really Understand the concept of having a girlfriend. He marries Chi-Chi because he accidentally promised to when he was a kid, when he had no idea what marriage was, and welp gotta honor your promises!

I think the thing I love about Goku is yes he's ~Earth's Protector~ and poo poo but mostly he just wants to fight. Dude loves to fight. Yeah he'll stop a dude from doing some evil poo poo but the part he really cares about is seeing who can throw a better punch. He lets Piccolo live at the end of Dragon Ball so that they can have a rematch in the future, and Piccolo had just gotten done being a Demon King who wanted to rule the world. The main reason he dies at the end of the Cell Saga is because he realizes his kid's a better fighter than him and will be able to save the day without him around.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Literally The Worst posted:

Goku doesn't really Understand the concept of having a girlfriend. He marries Chi-Chi because he accidentally promised to when he was a kid, when he had no idea what marriage was, and welp gotta honor your promises!

I think the thing I love about Goku is yes he's ~Earth's Protector~ and poo poo but mostly he just wants to fight. Dude loves to fight. Yeah he'll stop a dude from doing some evil poo poo but the part he really cares about is seeing who can throw a better punch. He lets Piccolo live at the end of Dragon Ball so that they can have a rematch in the future, and Piccolo had just gotten done being a Demon King who wanted to rule the world.

You're becoming a parody of yourself.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

CPL593H posted:

Goku never turned his girlfriend into a black woman so she could experience the plight of minorities in America.

Neither did Superman, Lois Lane did that of her own volition because she's a good investigative reporter who follows the story wherever it may lead.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

CPL593H posted:

You're becoming a parody of yourself.

Not really. I just read thirtyish volumes of Dragon Ball in two weeks so this is all still rolling around in my brain meat.

Kramjacks
Jul 5, 2007

Goku is a selfish prick and a lovely deadbeat dad.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Literally The Worst posted:

Not really. I just read thirtyish volumes of Dragon Ball in two weeks so this is all still rolling around in my brain meat.

Cluck says the chicken. And or the pot calling the kettle the N-word.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Kramjacks posted:

Goku is a selfish prick and a lovely deadbeat dad.

That would imply he's doing it all intentionally and that he has any concept at all of how people actually live (he doesn't, at all). Also he's not really deadbeat, he's mostly just dead.

edit Toriyama also makes a point of noting that Piccolo ends up becoming as much of a father figure to Gohan as Goku.

CloseFriend
Aug 21, 2002

Un malheur ne vient jamais seul.

Skwirl posted:

Neither did Superman, Lois Lane did that of her own volition because she's a good investigative reporter who follows the story wherever it may lead.
I would pay so much money for a 2014 remake of this comic, even though there's a good chance it'd end with Lois getting gunned down in Ferguson.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Literally The Worst posted:

That would imply he's doing it all intentionally and that he has any concept at all of how people actually live (he doesn't, at all). Also he's not really deadbeat, he's mostly just dead.

edit Toriyama also makes a point of noting that Piccolo ends up becoming as much of a father figure to Gohan as Goku.

Which explanation for your dad not being around worked best, just for reference?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Skwirl posted:

Which explanation for your dad not being around worked best, just for reference?

My parents being divorced and me hating 90% of his family.

If I'm being fair to my dad, he did try, he just didn't have a whole lot of tools to work with because his own childhood was so hosed. Coincidentally, Goku lived alone in the woods for like the first twelve years of his life and didn't know what girls were until he met Bulma. Dude wasn't really equipped to handle society.

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

'Cuz it's KILLIN' ME!

CloseFriend posted:

I would pay so much money for a 2014 remake of this comic, even though there's a good chance it'd end with Lois getting gunned down in Ferguson.

Written by Geoff Johns.

Discount Viscount
Jul 9, 2010

FIND THE FISH!
Dragonball is forever tainted for me because aside from one episode of the original cartoon my first exposure was watching Z on Cartoon Network right in the middle of the Frieza fight. I don't know how I stuck that out except sheer spite and the sunk cost fallacy. Also I was young and an idiot.

That poo poo took like a month, and that was airing a new episode daily. A whole season of powering up and this not even being my final form.

TwistedLadder
Mar 16, 2011

The only Disney Princess with a body count... in the thousands.

Skwirl posted:

Which explanation for your dad not being around worked best, just for reference?

Come on, guys, when I said "move on from talking about rape" I didn't mean "move onto insulting Dickeye because he likes a comic book character"

Buncha savages in this thread.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Discount Viscount posted:

Dragonball is forever tainted for me because aside from one episode of the original cartoon my first exposure was watching Z on Cartoon Network right in the middle of the Frieza fight. I don't know how I stuck that out except sheer spite and the sunk cost fallacy.

That poo poo took like a month, and that was airing a new episode daily. A whole season of powering up and this not even being my final form.

It's bonkers how fast that poo poo happens in the comic, too. I think Frieza hits his final form in like, a single volume, so a hundred and fifty pages, tops.

Vargo posted:

Written by Geoff Johns.

Nah that would be a GMo thing.

edit I wish Goku was my dad so I could learn to shoot hand lasers at people. Pew pew

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Literally The Worst posted:

My parents being divorced and me hating 90% of his family.

And you identify with an absentee father who saves the world multiple times at the expense of his own family life, curious.

CloseFriend
Aug 21, 2002

Un malheur ne vient jamais seul.

TwistedLadder posted:

Come on, guys, when I said "move on from talking about rape" I didn't mean "move onto insulting Dickeye because he likes a comic book character"

Buncha savages in this thread.
I've been trying since the last thread to get people to watch and help me talk about Deadly Games but all I have to show for it was Happy Fun Bollocks waxing smug for 5 pages.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Skwirl posted:

And you identify with an absentee father who saves the world multiple times at the expense of his own family life, curious.

His family life was hosed up before he left to go fight aliens, though, because again: Dude lived alone in the woods for most of his childhood. The only other person he knew was his grandfather. He didn't know what girls were. Dude literally got married because he accidentally said something that cuold be construed as a promise as a kid, and when he was reminded of it went "welp promise is a promise, let's do this thing."

You're assuming his family isn't actually better off without him around.

Also don't be a dilz.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Vargo posted:


Rules:
1)If a movie has a thread already, talk about it in that thread, not in here.
2)This thread is not a clubhouse to come in and talk about how bad other posters and threads are.
3)Settle down, Dickeye.

Emphasis mine.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
I'm sorry I called you a dilz because you were being a dilz, I'll settle down and just let you be a dilz unabated.

Also Superman was a straight up abusive father figure to Jimmy Olsen and people fawn all over his nuts.

BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Oct 3, 2014

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Skwirl posted:

My definition of an object is too object-centered? Art is a noun.

Ok, you may have moved on to rape and supermanchat, but:

You are missing what I'm referring to. "Art" is a noun, but Art is not an object. As pointed out, it a concept that classifies certain other works -- and to play the glib game, funny enough that we often refer to art as "work" which can be both a verb and a noun. You also refer to Yoko Ono, precisely the kind of artist that would argue against object-centered art theories. Cut Piece (1964) is not an object, after all.

And anyway, my point in saying "exceedingly object-centered" was that concentrating on the absence of utility often leads to focusing solely on "the object" and ignoring the connection that people form with the object, or the process, or the form -- and this is the experience of art. To make this clearer, so in this forum the categories of text and subtext are pretty well understood. Art is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to understand outside of its context, which most prescriptive definitions of art cannot encompass.

One of the examples you use, of framing a sweater, actually relies on this. Putting a frame around the sweater can indeed be a process of artmaking, but it's less about changing the object in and of itself (and its use-value) and more about signaling to others how that sweater should be interacted with, viewed, and discussed. The use-value of Duchamp's Fountain didn't shift from when the thing was on sale in a shop to when it was in his studio to when he submitted it to the show. The "Art" came about by him manipulating the contexts in which people viewed art and in challenging the prescriptive definitions that the people in the artworld held dear. It's less centered on the object and in where, how, and why people viewed that object.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Prepare to have nightmares:

Every Tim Allen grunt at 25% speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNOs1GZ3AsU

For added fun, leave this running in a tab while you look at porn.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Literally The Worst posted:

I'm sorry I called you a dilz because you were being a dilz, I'll settle down and just let you be a dilz unabated.

Nah we're cool, it was a low blow, as was something something and a rude joke about your mom.

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TwistedLadder
Mar 16, 2011

The only Disney Princess with a body count... in the thousands.

Skwirl posted:

Nah we're cool, it was a low blow, as was something something and a rude joke about your mom.
I was totally gonna point out that rule 3 doesn't apply to me and tell you to stop being a dick to Dickeye.

I'm currently overhearing a conversation debating the merits of fireball vs hot drat, opinions?

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