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stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.


My instructor was not the best, but he also trains cops, and said very clearly "a ccw is not a badge and does not make you a cop" like 5 times in 8 hours.

At least in my state, which has stand your ground and castle doctrine, there still needs to be imminent threat of deadly force.

This guy won't get charged though, because the thieves are, in the words of local social media, "thugs from the city" so....yay local racists making themselves known.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





22 Eargesplitten posted:

I'm not a lawyer, especially not a lawyer in the details of laws in all 50 states, but self-defense is generally an affirmative defense, so I'd assume defense of others is as well. Which means you still have to go to court to mount that defense.

This is highly dependent on which jurisdiction you're in. It's is rarely just you, much more commonly you + family or associates, less frequently you + whoever is within 50 feet of you or whatever. I will note that if a stranger gets his head blown off in front of you at 7-11 then it's pretty easy to defend the claim that the shooter is a threat to your own life.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




This is going to sound silly. But it's something I've used to describe my tiny pocket guns to nerds and the concept of CCW.

My gun is like a Bard's 1d4 dagger. If I'm using it, I'm literally backed into a corner and in a lot of trouble. It isn't a d12 battle-axe for charging into orcs.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES



Donít shoot somebody to protect somebody elseís property.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003




Property especially. I can't fathom why you'd shoot someone to protect property that isn't yours.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010



Upset Trowel

Captain Log posted:

This is going to sound silly. But it's something I've used to describe my tiny pocket guns to nerds and the concept of CCW.

My gun is like a Bard's 1d4 dagger. If I'm using it, I'm literally backed into a corner and in a lot of trouble. It isn't a d12 battle-axe for charging into orcs.



Internet Wizard posted:

Don’t shoot somebody to protect somebody else’s property.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



On holsters: do any of you have the phlster enigma? I'm starting to regret my purchase though I've only been messing with it for about 20min. It's a pain in the neck to assemble, the garter clip is impossible to pinch (I can't imagine what it'd be like with big hands), the fidlock for the belt is completely unnecessary and could've been done with a normal pinch buckle (not a cobra, just your standard nylon clips), it rides super weird (I'm still trying to adjust it), and as a skinny dude even with a subcompact it makes me look like I've got a gunt.

I watched a lot of reviews before buying this stupid thing. I'm starting to think those "reviews" were really just advertising. I knew the lighting was way too good.

I'm going to keep messing with it, we'll see how it turns out but I'm interested in hearing from others who were unfortunately wrapped up in this mess, too.

EDIT - I also should've known better when there were only 5 star reviews on their site.

knuthgrush fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Apr 3, 2021

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003




Looking at its product description and picture, I understand why it's called the enigma. What the hell is all that?

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




I just looked it up and might as well be looking at plans for a nuclear reactor. What the hell?

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




knuthgrush posted:

On holsters: do any of you have the phlster enigma? I'm starting to regret my purchase though I've only been messing with it for about 20min. It's a pain in the neck to assemble, the garter clip is impossible to pinch (I can't imagine what it'd be like with big hands), the fidlock for the belt is completely unnecessary and could've been done with a normal pinch buckle (not a cobra, just your standard nylon clips), it rides super weird (I'm still trying to adjust it), and as a skinny dude even with a subcompact it makes me look like I've got a gunt.

I watched a lot of reviews before buying this stupid thing. I'm starting to think those "reviews" were really just advertising. I knew the lighting was way too good.

I'm going to keep messing with it, we'll see how it turns out but I'm interested in hearing from others who were unfortunately wrapped up in this mess, too.

EDIT - I also should've known better when there were only 5 star reviews on their site.

Wearing one right now. I've been enjoying it so far. I like how I can carry at my preferred ride height without wearing high-rise pants.

I found the Youtube assembly instructions to be pretty easy to follow, but if you have problems the Facebook group is usually pretty helpful.

E: I do think that it's aimed at AIWB holster nerds, so if you don't have an understanding of ride height, cant, and grip rotation, you might be in for some rough sledding.

poopgiggle fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 3, 2021

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




poopgiggle posted:

Wearing one right now. I've been enjoying it so far. I like how I can carry at my preferred ride height without wearing high-rise pants.

I found the Youtube assembly instructions to be pretty easy to follow, but if you have problems the Facebook group is usually pretty helpful.

E: I do think that it's aimed at AIWB holster nerds, so if you don't have an understanding of ride height, cant, and grip rotation, you might be in for some rough sledding.

It looks like a pretty "advanced" holster, if that's a thing.

I'm gonna go clean my leather Mini Scabbards now.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.


Internet Wizard posted:

Don’t shoot somebody to protect somebody else’s property.
Fixed that for you.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



quote:

wtf is that thing?

"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science!" or "Any sufficiently arcane magic is indistinguishable from technology."

It's technically a "concealment chassis" I suppose. You bolt your holster to it and use all seven of your hands to assemble the various screws and baubles it comes with. Then you strut around looking like you just ate a dozen burritos talking about how nobody can ever see your gun and how comfortable you are.

Teach me your ways, poopgiggle. I have zero desire to sign up for Facebook. I wore the drat thing all afternoon with a 43X and it was both highly visible and highly uncomfortable. The top of the holster was poking me in the belly (and I'm skinny!) no matter where I put the various screws and things. The garter wouldn't stay in place and on and on. I tried all the holes in as many combos as possible. Still pissy that I spent almost $200 on it.

Concealed carry in sweatpants feels as obtainable as building a rocketship in my garage at this point.

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




If you were local to me I could maybe try to help you with it but I donít think I can help you just over forums. I think my advantage is that Iíve carried appendix for a while so I have a sense of what needs to go where for stuff to work.

I agree that the FB thing isnít ideal, but PHLster is (I think) a 2-person business so I think this is the trade-off for them to be able to offer some kind of support without it eating all their time.

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




The good news is that you can probably flip it for what you paid, since there's still a waitlist for Enigmas rn.

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008
Prepare yourself for some obtuse logic--->


poopgiggle posted:

The good news is that you can probably flip it for what you paid, since there's still a waitlist for Enigmas rn.

But that would likely require them to deign to register for Facebook to find a serious buyer.....

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




Toshokan posted:

But that would likely require them to deign to register for Facebook to find a serious buyer.....

I guarantee you that someone has an eBay alert for "PHLster Enigma."

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



poopgiggle posted:

I think my advantage is that Iíve carried appendix for a while so I have a sense of what needs to go where for stuff to work.

Well that might have dimly lit a bulb. I carry appendix normally and this thing is riding higher than I typically carry. I'll futz around with lowering it and see how that goes. The only issue there is the garter is too long when I wear it low. Gonna take some effort (or as they say in their video, some squeezing "but it's well worth the juice" or some such).

Part of what attracted me to it was just that it's two folks and they seem pretty genuine, especially with older videos of one of them speaking at small conferences. I'll keep trying to tweak it.

poopgiggle posted:

I guarantee you that someone has an eBay alert for "PHLster Enigma."

This.

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




knuthgrush posted:

The only issue there is the garter is too long when I wear it low.

The length of the leg leash is adjustable for this reason so that's a pretty easy fix.

E: actually this is a better video for what you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfM7nChouGg#t=181s

poopgiggle fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Apr 4, 2021

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008
Prepare yourself for some obtuse logic--->


poopgiggle posted:

I guarantee you that someone has an eBay alert for "PHLster Enigma."

Was being facetious, bro.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



poopgiggle posted:

The length of the leg leash is adjustable for this reason so that's a pretty easy fix.

E: actually this is a better video for what you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfM7nChouGg#t=181s

Yeah I'm able to adjust the length but maybe I'm Doing It Wrong (TM) because I have it cinched all the way up to the stitching on the leash but it's still quite long. Maybe I'm really just three toddlers standing on top of each other in a trench coat...

I'll get it sorted. Thanks for the input.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




I think that holster might be witchcraft.

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




knuthgrush posted:

Yeah I'm able to adjust the length but maybe I'm Doing It Wrong (TM) because I have it cinched all the way up to the stitching on the leash but it's still quite long. Maybe I'm really just three toddlers standing on top of each other in a trench coat...

I'll get it sorted. Thanks for the input.

Length (ride height on your leg) and girth (how tight it is on your leg) are both adjustable. Sounds like youíre only doing one of them?

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Captain Log posted:

I think that holster might be witchcraft.

Possibly but it's not a holster. It's a "concealment chassis" that your holster bolts onto. Maybe only half witchcraft.

poopgiggle posted:

Length (ride height on your leg) and girth (how tight it is on your leg) are both adjustable. Sounds like youíre only doing one of them?

I think my issue is that the two are linked so I adjust one but not the other and the whole thing gets out of whack. It'll just take some messing with a little later.

I'm not yet ready to put it on fleabay. I want to believe that I can pack heat and wear sweatpants at the same time.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

Am I a... bad person?
AM I??





Fun Shoe

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Consider getting a hip pack (Fanny pack for people who donít care about being cool) and carrying in there. Theyíre unobtrusive and increasingly in vogue with cyclists, especially mountain bikers, and you wonít be carrying off body or visibly printing.

Iím a fan of Nittany Mountain Works. Get it in some garish neon colors and itís the least tacticlol thing ever. But realistically a hip belt from DaKine or Osprey will also be fine.

OK, this turned out to be pro advice. Nittany Mountain Works makes some excellent stuff, and I'm happy to support these people. No, I'm not special-clothes-wearing bicycling, but I am special-equipment-having bicycling, and these guys make some neat-looking stuff, and it's all practical, which is great. They get that sometimes, you want to carry stuff with you on your bike. And the customization? That alone is why you all need to go there and get, at the very least, a Ditty Bag.

I got a Deluxe Hip Sack and a Ditty Bag. They had lots of colors available, and while I like green and red, my favorite color is blue. And they have blue for days. I went with what I consider a Blues theme (hence the yellow trim). I added some soon-to-be-typical items to my new bags, and here's how neatly they close. The ditty bag looks a little stuffed, but it's got a wallet and some other stuff in it. It's like a man version of a pocketbook or clutch.



What's that in the outer pocket?


Oh, I see. A kit gun. Seems appropriate. Wait... "other stuff" in the ditty bag?


Regular carry piece. Makes sense. Say, if there's an outer pocket in the hip sack, what about the main pocket?


So, 357 magnum for the trail? I guess that's OK. Wait a sec... that main pocket is big; did you pack anything else with all the extra room?


Hang on... just dangerous are the bike trails in southern Illinois?


I'll tell ya: they're filled with scoundrels, bandits, and biketrailmen.


That's what I call biking.

tarlibone fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Apr 8, 2021

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

poopgiggle posted:

Length (ride height on your leg) and girth (how tight it is on your leg) are both adjustable. Sounds like youíre only doing one of them?

Are we still talking holsters?

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



infrared35 posted:

Are we still talking holsters?

Maybe I've been using the strap on the wrong leg...

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010



Upset Trowel

tarlibone posted:

OK, this turned out to be pro advice. Nittany Mountain Works makes some excellent stuff, and I'm happy to support these people. No, I'm not special-clothes-wearing bicycling, but I am special-equipment-having bicycling, and these guys make some neat-looking stuff, and it's all practical, which is great. They get that sometimes, you want to carry stuff with you on your bike. And the customization? That alone is why you all need to go there and get, at the very least, a Ditty Bag.

I got a Deluxe Hip Sack and a Ditty Bag. They had lots of colors available, and while I like green and red, my favorite color is blue. And they have blue for days. I went with what I consider a Blues theme (hence the yellow trim). I added some soon-to-be-typical items to my new bags, and here's how neatly they close. The ditty bag looks a little stuffed, but it's got a wallet and some other stuff in it. It's like a man version of a pocketbook or clutch.



What's that in the outer pocket?


Oh, I see. A kit gun. Seems appropriate. Wait... "other stuff" in the ditty bag?


Regular carry piece. Makes sense. Say, if there's an outer pocket in the hip sack, what about the main pocket?


So, 357 magnum for the trail? I guess that's OK. Wait a sec... that main pocket is big; did you pack anything else with all the extra room?


Hang on... just dangerous are the bike trails in southern Illinois?


I'll tell ya: they're filled with scoundrels, bandits, and biketrailmen.


That's what I call biking.

ALWAYS carry 4 guns incase your first 3 fail. But I'd rather strap them all over my body as opposed to all in the same place.

The amount that can carry is pretty drat impressive though. Good stuff.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Hey, Iím really glad the NMW pack worked out for you! They are a fantastic little business and Iím always willing to steer people in their direction. While Iíve never worn mine for CCW, I have wondered about sewing in a patch of hook and loop to the larger inner pocket in case I wanted to put a holster in there. In any event, enjoy and happy riding!

Polka_Rapper
Jan 22, 2011


I have a friend that's been having trouble with aggressive dogs. I figured this would be the place to ask about the best type and brand of pepper/OC spray for them to get, both for this kind of situation and general self-defense.

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


Polka_Rapper posted:

I have a friend that's been having trouble with aggressive dogs. I figured this would be the place to ask about the best type and brand of pepper/OC spray for them to get, both for this kind of situation and general self-defense.

I like Pom these days. Itís pretty available and cheap. They also make inert trainers. I like a stream, personally, itís going to be easier to get a good amount in the dogs face and itís less affected by wind.

Get a trainer or two and kick a ball hard along the ground at him and have him try to hit the ball as it comes toward him.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Check out my hot takes because I'm a straight white male

The Automator posted:

I like Porn these days. Itís pretty available and cheap.

I canít be the only one who read it like this.

Loan Dusty Road
Feb 27, 2007


Dick Burglar posted:

I canít be the only one who read it like this.

Staying home is the safest answer.

Akion
May 7, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Polka_Rapper posted:

I have a friend that's been having trouble with aggressive dogs. I figured this would be the place to ask about the best type and brand of pepper/OC spray for them to get, both for this kind of situation and general self-defense.

I carry this one.

$10 on Amazon and you can get them with inter cans.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Akion posted:

I carry this one.

$10 on Amazon and you can get them with inter cans.

I have a generic one with that little twist top bit. How fiddly is it? I did a lot of video watching on these things and it seemed to me like the flip top variety (such as the pom) was the way to go. I worry that these will twist open and discharge in my bag. It's a chest bag so that's a spicy party I'd like to avoid.

Akion
May 7, 2006


Grimey Drawer

I'm a nerd and linked the wrong one. I use the flip-top one with no issues.

https://smile.amazon.com/SABRE-Flip...18108054&sr=8-5

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008
Prepare yourself for some obtuse logic--->


Akion posted:

I'm a nerd and linked the wrong one. I use the flip-top one with no issues.

https://smile.amazon.com/SABRE-Flip...18108054&sr=8-5

Geez, why is the flip top one so much more expensive?

Edit: Nvm, I'm dumb, didn't see it was a 3 pack at first.

E4C85D38
Feb 7, 2010

Doesn't that thing only
hold six rounds...?


knuthgrush posted:

I have a generic one with that little twist top bit. How fiddly is it? I did a lot of video watching on these things and it seemed to me like the flip top variety (such as the pom) was the way to go. I worry that these will twist open and discharge in my bag. It's a chest bag so that's a spicy party I'd like to avoid.

I got the twist top 'cause it was retail. It seems pretty standard for this type of product, hasn't accidentally actuated hanging off my purse yet. I would personally prefer flip top if I had the choice, but I needed a quick replacement at the time.

e: there's a small detent you'll have to twist it through, but it's not big enough to really notice unless you look for it

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.




Polka_Rapper posted:

I have a friend that's been having trouble with aggressive dogs. I figured this would be the place to ask about the best type and brand of pepper/OC spray for them to get, both for this kind of situation and general self-defense.

one that I specifically don't recommend is the ASP palm defender/key defender series. the form factor is convenient, and they don't look at all like pepper spray so they're very discreet, but the range is rear end. If someone/something is close enough for the spray to reach them, they're close enough to grab you. Mine is in my basement someplace.

I'm also POM gang now.

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Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.


poopgiggle posted:

one that I specifically don't recommend is the ASP palm defender/key defender series. the form factor is convenient, and they don't look at all like pepper spray so they're very discreet, but the range is rear end. If someone/something is close enough for the spray to reach them, they're close enough to grab you. Mine is in my basement someplace.

I'm also POM gang now.

I used to carry an Asp palm defender, but after finding out that their range and spray pattern was lacking, I too replaced it with a POM.

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