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a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

MTV's Half-hour Comedy Hour had one of my favorite things related to the Cure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpqe9Qp0tOI

Speaking of The Cure, they were definitely the first "gothic" music I ever heard, way back in high school and were one of the bands that kept me sane in my tiny, tiny Eastern Montana town. (along with Bad Religion, Ministry, Jane's Addiction and many other things that I decided were definitely not of that place)

I loved everything of theirs up to and including Disintegration until roughly 2002 when, suddenly, I no longer could stand them. Couldn't deal with the music, Smith's voice, the melodies nothing. I'd try to sprinkle a few songs I used to love into random playlists to see if I could recapture my affection for them, but nothing. I just about went as far as deleting all their poo poo from my collection.

Then, seemingly just as randomly around 2012 that all suddenly reversed and now they're back among my favorites, even if I don't listen to them nearly as much as when I was a gloomy teen. That's the only band I've liked where something similar has happened.


Only up to and including Disintegration though, everything after that can still go to hell.

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hatelull
Oct 29, 2004



a kitten posted:

Only up to and including Disintegration though, everything after that can still go to hell.

I think the opening track on Wish is money, and the "This is a lie" remix from Join the Dots is pretty nice but yeah I totally feel you on this sentiment. I haven't a single gently caress to give for anything after that record, including Bloodflowers (admittedly, the live set from that tour was loving deadly. Closing with "Faith" WHAT?)

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

Is it wrong that I would wear this shirt?


Because I would totally wear that shirt.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Well its better than the Disney version

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


a kitten posted:

Is it wrong that I would wear this shirt?


Because I would totally wear that shirt.

Uhhh i'd wear the poo poo out of that shirt

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



Devil Doll were (is?) a super proggy, gothy, metal-tinged ridiculous band that someone introduced me to in my teens when I was listening to Marilyn Manson. He turned to me and went "Oh, you think that's goth? THIS IS GOTH" in a very Crocodile Dundee way.

I say ridiculous because the backstory is a huge pile of absurd statements, possible lies a Residents-level of mystery (Mr. Doctor's name was revealed a couple years back when he wrote a giant book on 7" punk releases in the UK):

quote:

The first work of Devil Doll was The Mark of the Beast, recorded in Tivoli Studios, Ljubljana in the last half of 1987. After being finished, a single copy pressed, in February 1988. The cover to the album was painted by Mr. Doctor himself, who keeps the album in his home to this day. No other copies exist: "This is a painting, not a graphic work".

Later the same year, work on a second composition began. This work, entitled The Girl Who Was... Death, was inspired by the 1967 British television series The Prisoner. 500 copies of the album were originally pressed, of which only 150 were released. These were distributed out amongst the audience of the second live performance of the composition, each with a unique inlay created by Mr. Doctor. Some of these inlays were written in his own blood. The remaining 350 copies of the album were destroyed by Mr. Doctor once he returned home.

That's the way he operated: press up some copies, give 'em away, burn the rest in a bonfire. He hasn't released anything since '96 but insists that he still records on a regular basis, he just doesn't have any interest in releasing anything.

You can hear Dies Irae in full here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_xdvEUC9Y4

caligulamprey fucked around with this message at Oct 30, 2014 around 01:45

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003


caligulamprey posted:

insists that he still records on a regular basis, he just doesn't have any interest in releasing anything.


Where have I heard that before?

Those sunglasses really should be aviators. In fairness to TSOM, when Chris says they've actually recorded things, I believe him. I'm pretty confident that there'd be a new album if it was his choice. I just don't think Von has any real desire or need to do another one (which is a shame, as a number of the new, unreleased tracks rank among my favorite Sisters tunes).

TheChaosPath
Jul 22, 2005



Yeah, Devil Doll is cool

Thingstropolis
Apr 6, 2011


Elizium was always my favorite Nephilim album. I always found it a mesmerizing listen with how the whole thing sounds and how well it all flows together. That first EP they did was really sweet too, the one with "Trees Come Down" on it.

Another general recommendation: Asylum Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko6P_CYNprs from the album Borderline

ExplodingChef
May 25, 2005

Deathscorts are the true American heroes.

a kitten posted:


Only up to and including Disintegration though, everything after that can still go to hell.

"From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" would like a loving word with you, sir (or ma'am).

edit: "Letter to Elise" and "end" are also quality tracks. I find myself skipping right over most of the middle of Wish 'tho.

ExplodingChef fucked around with this message at Nov 2, 2014 around 19:22

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

ExplodingChef posted:

"From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" would like a loving word with you, sir (or ma'am).

edit: "Letter to Elise" and "end" are also quality tracks. I find myself skipping right over most of the middle of Wish 'tho.

Agreed, and I really like "Watching Me Fall" off of Bloodflowers.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

ExplodingChef posted:

"From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" would like a loving word with you, sir (or ma'am).

edit: "Letter to Elise" and "end" are also quality tracks. I find myself skipping right over most of the middle of Wish 'tho.

Hmmm.

That's actually pretty good, guess it's time to reevaluate my stance on post-Disintegration stuff a bit.

HotCanadianChick
Oct 3, 2002

I-I'm not a r-racist, I h-have plenty of b-black wivesfriends

Put this racist on ignore immediately!


Really surprised nobody's mentioned The Birthday Massacre yet. As far as I'm concerned, they're really the only really good original* 'goth' band to come along so far in the 21st century:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOfluH8mgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrmChd_8PfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBmDgtJyc1U

Their sound definitely has a lot of crossover with Industrial Metal in a lot of their songs, but a lot of their songs are sublimely melodic and beautiful too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E3MlpKqVOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdYkaaOsgM4

I know a lot of people are into VNV Nation as far as the newer bands go, but they've always come across to me as a (not-quite-as-good-as-the-original) modernized imitation of Depeche Mode - a niche which, for me, has always been filled by the (in my opinion) much better Melotron.

*(i.e. not just a tribute band who happens to write new material in the same style as the band they're a tribute to, like the many TSoM-alikes out there)

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



I'm a big fan of The Birthday Massacre. I mainly stick with classic goth and industrial bands but they're an exception.

ElectricWizard
Oct 21, 2008


This thread needs more Rozz Williams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRm7Hcd1DYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVAXiKiOqk

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Anyone here heard of Crawling Chaos? They were a cool little band on factory records(Joy Division's label), but they were fairly experimental and Factory didn't really know how to handle them, so they were shunted to a sub label and then ultimately dropped, which suited the band fine because they hadn't gotten along with the Factory dudes at all. Mostly they sound like post punk, but they vary a lot and they played around with different effects and styles on different songs. I've heard their first 4 albums and can recommend all of them, but I haven't heard anything from after that.

Here's one of their more post punk songs, it's about a dude with dicks all over his body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSXImHZLRoM

some more post punk type stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRi4GjLiRdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpDADEaxZHg


sometimes they do other things like this long jam that could have come out of the krautrock scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUruwStKlo

or spooky electronics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtT_Ourr4sA


One of the band members also has a website up where he talks about the band, working with factory records and other stuff, it's worth a read read: http://crawlingchaos.co.uk/

VOTE YES ON 69
Oct 16, 2008

time is a flat circle


Fun Shoe

I irrationally love the gently caress out of The Birthday Massacre.

Also Floodland is the best album of all time.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

polpotpotpotpotpot posted:

Also Floodland is the best album of all time.

Toss-up between Floodland and Disintegration IMHO, but today I have to agree with you.

Stalins Moustache
Dec 30, 2012

~~**I'm Italian!**~~

HotCanadianChick posted:

Really surprised nobody's mentioned The Birthday Massacre yet. As far as I'm concerned, they're really the only really good original* 'goth' band to come along so far in the 21st century:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOfluH8mgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrmChd_8PfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBmDgtJyc1U

Their sound definitely has a lot of crossover with Industrial Metal in a lot of their songs, but a lot of their songs are sublimely melodic and beautiful too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E3MlpKqVOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdYkaaOsgM4

I know a lot of people are into VNV Nation as far as the newer bands go, but they've always come across to me as a (not-quite-as-good-as-the-original) modernized imitation of Depeche Mode - a niche which, for me, has always been filled by the (in my opinion) much better Melotron.

*(i.e. not just a tribute band who happens to write new material in the same style as the band they're a tribute to, like the many TSoM-alikes out there)

gently caress yeah! I'm a huge fan of the Birthday Massacre. Their new song "Beyond" is beautiful. I can't wait for their new album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3vi2Fsqlpg

himajinga
Mar 19, 2003

Und wenn du lange in einen Schuh blickst, blickt der Schuh auch in dich hinein.


AUTO-MOD are a great Japanese goth/deathrock band that I always recommend to people looking for something different, their entire 1985 album Deathtopia is incredible, weird as hell but really good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TouLKHa97yI

sharts
Jul 3, 2008

a̸ ̕s̡cŗeam͟i͠ng͞ ͘sk͏u̢l̨l i̡s y͝o͡ųr o͡n͟l͞y ͢comp̛ani̡o͞n͝


HotCanadianChick posted:

Really surprised nobody's mentioned The Birthday Massacre yet. As far as I'm concerned, they're really the only really good original* 'goth' band to come along so far in the 21st century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOPbDEHeisc

So long as Zola Jesus is out there doing her thing I don't agree. I wasn't sure if she counted as gothic rock but gently caress it, if VNV Nation counts she does.

Pretty different styles though, and The Birthday Massacre is 100% bitchin' poo poo for sure

Ugrok
Dec 30, 2009


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh6KCehWE8M

Good old Siouxsie !

Literal Carehaver
Oct 20, 2014

by Cowcaster


HotCanadianChick posted:

Really surprised nobody's mentioned The Birthday Massacre yet. As far as I'm concerned, they're really the only really good original* 'goth' band to come along so far in the 21st century

this is incredibly rad, thank you

my contribution, Faith and the Muse: Battle Hymn don't know much about the band but i like this song

also lets all go down to the graveyard and munch on skeleton bones

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I love Faith and the Muse and a good friend of mine was their touring percussionist on one of their more recent tours a few years ago. they range from straight up gothic rock to more celtic influenced early Dead Can Dance style neoclassical pieces with a bit of industrial influence. in a way they were a bit of a "supergroup" as the two principals are William Faith of Christian Death and Monica Richards of Strange Boutique

Picnic Princess
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die



Rosetta Stone has a fantastic cover of Venus in Furs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrDdzzA3QEs

And I was always a sucker for Cinema Strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x05JSXnDTt0

AA is for Quitters
Aug 6, 2009

Hold the newsreader's nose squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers.

Stalins Moustache posted:

gently caress yeah! I'm a huge fan of the Birthday Massacre. Their new song "Beyond" is beautiful. I can't wait for their new album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3vi2Fsqlpg

Birthday Massacre is great, but Birthday Party is better. Although they're closer to punk...they were from that weird period in the 80's where stuff was still really finding it's footings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgsJcZro7Yk. It's a Nick Cave project, which kinda explains everything right there, because Nick Cave has always been Nick Cave.

I've also always loved Black Tape for a Blue Girl ever since I picked up a Projekt records sampler from Hot Topic back in the day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf7_QrkPTDQ

And I know there's the running joke with Voltaire, but his non-jokey stuff is not bad. Almost Human is still one of my fav albums. He definitely knows his audience way too well and hot drat, that man might as well have a steampunk printing press for all the money he rakes in. (and he's apparently an awesome prof too, a friend of mine wasn't an animation major but took his class at SVA in stop motion and hot drat, that guy is just super talented way way moreso in art than in music)

E: ok, thanks to this thread checked Cruxshadows out again, Rogue's instagram is the most hilarious thing ever, because there's this guy with the big spiky hair, and the boots and the trenchcoat and the shades...with a 4 year old daughter who always seems to be dressed in something disney.

And do y'all count Dresden Dolls in here? Amanda Palmer's solo stuff definitely strays further away from the goth/dark caberet type stuff, but the Dresden Dolls stuff you can hear the influences a lot more. She's absolutely insufferable since she hooked up with Neil Gaiman, but the dresden dolls stuff is still solid, and she's still a great performer.

AA is for Quitters fucked around with this message at Nov 11, 2014 around 16:25

precision
May 7, 2006

Would you like to challenge?


"Coin Operated Boy" is probably the only song Amanda Palmer has ever done that I don't viciously hate. It also got played at every loving goth night I DJ'd in the mid 2000s.

Still pretty awful that Dresden Dolls would cover "Two-Headed Boy" and Palmer wouldn't even tell the audience it was a cover song. I know so many people who thought she wrote it.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



it would be really great if no one talked about amanda palmer in this of all threads

precision
May 7, 2006

Would you like to challenge?


That's true, none of her stuff is what I'd call "goth" at all, despite her fans often being in there.

I'd say Voltaire is just as bad though. I hate that guy. So much.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010



I went to a Dresden Dolls show once and shortly before saw the support act listed online. Edward Ka-Spel and the Silverman sounded like a really weird thing to name yourself. I figured out quickly who they were, but I'd only heard one Legendary Pink Dots song up to then. That song was Just a Lifetime, very calm and melodic, so I went to the show and quite happily settled in for more of that when the lights went down. Seemed to fit well with the Dolls' sound, anyway.

It was a very educational evening.

Let's get some Frank The Baptist up in here. Two pretty good albums from the early-mid 2000s. I should probably get a hold of the third one at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VALwIrJlxv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktWj440edIs

e: my girlfriend has a Dresden Dolls live DVD somewhere where Ka-Spel joins them for the encore, Missed Me, reads the lyrics from cue sheets, throwing one behind himself after every verse and generally giving the impression he's seeing the lyrics for the first time and isn't enjoying them one bit. It's just his performance I'm sure, but it's still hilarious. Especially in hindsight.

My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2014 around 19:07

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

The review you had on "Shark Sandwich", which was merely a two word review, just said "Shit Sandwich".



Who else is like Dead Can Dance? I like them a lot but I feel like every group I've heard that's supposed to be similar is just straight up world music instead of being kinda between post-punk and world/neoclassical

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:

Who else is like Dead Can Dance? I like them a lot but I feel like every group I've heard that's supposed to be similar is just straight up world music instead of being kinda between post-punk and world/neoclassical

There is a really good Russian band called Secrets of the Third Planet that has some stuff that reminds me of earlier DCD when they had more of a post-punk element. Though they are more dreamy and ambient

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUX1DCP1_LY

also forgive the bad form but, my own last full length album was definitely influenced by their neoclassical period (and their collaborations in This Mortal Coil): https://disparition.bandcamp.com/album/granicha

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

And if for some reason you haven't, definitely check out This Mortal Coil themselves.

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

The review you had on "Shark Sandwich", which was merely a two word review, just said "Shit Sandwich".



Digging your album, Earwicker. Within the Realm of a Dying Sun is my favorite DCD album and it reminds me of that.

precision
May 7, 2006

Would you like to challenge?


Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:

Who else is like Dead Can Dance? I like them a lot but I feel like every group I've heard that's supposed to be similar is just straight up world music instead of being kinda between post-punk and world/neoclassical

You should check out In Gowan Ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z87ZnRqKkpw

Stalins Moustache
Dec 30, 2012

~~**I'm Italian!**~~

So I listened to the new Birthday Massacre album, and.. I really, really want to like it but it just didn't click for me at all. This album and the previous album just feels so incredibly uninspired, and the "omph" and the magical sense in their music is just gone. Violet, Walking With Straners and Pins & Needles were all incredible in their own way, but the last two albums just feels off.

Any recommendations for bands similar to Birthday Massacre? I really love the heavy synths and Chibi's voice creating something similar to a creepy fantasy adventure.

HotCanadianChick
Oct 3, 2002

I-I'm not a r-racist, I h-have plenty of b-black wivesfriends

Put this racist on ignore immediately!


Stalins Moustache posted:

gently caress yeah! I'm a huge fan of the Birthday Massacre. Their new song "Beyond" is beautiful. I can't wait for their new album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3vi2Fsqlpg

polpotpotpotpotpot posted:

I irrationally love the gently caress out of The Birthday Massacre.

Also Floodland is the best album of all time.

TOOT BOOT posted:

I'm a big fan of The Birthday Massacre. I mainly stick with classic goth and industrial bands but they're an exception.

Oh good, I was fearing the reason they hadn't been mentioned yet was because everyone hated them for some reason and I wasn't aware of it - god knows how fickle goth scenesters can be

Literal Carehaver posted:

this is incredibly rad, thank you

Glad I could introduce someone else to them!

sharts posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOPbDEHeisc

So long as Zola Jesus is out there doing her thing I don't agree. I wasn't sure if she counted as gothic rock but gently caress it, if VNV Nation counts she does.

Thanks for this, have never heard of her before, I'll have to look for more of this.

While we're on the topic of bands that may or may not be counted as 'goth' but will likely appeal to a lot of the people who listen to goth anyways, anyone else like Bat For Lashes? She's more folk/alternative, but she's covered both The Cure and Depeche mode and definitely has a lot of the introspective, romantic, dark stylings that are part and parcel of goth rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jfxm4ywN4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yEjT_pIkhU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXK0Ejzin4c

Plus her stage name and a few of her songs make references to bats, that's goth, right?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I loving love Bat for Lashes. Although every one of her albums seems to inevitably have one really boring song that I hate. But yeah in general she is great, especially live. Never thought of her as goth really but there's certainly an influence.

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?


I just saw The Birthday Massacre in Tampa Wedensday night

I think they've still got it but let's not forget they've been at it 15 years now and are all creeping up on 40. I think if they still sounded like they did on Violet it'd be incredibly boring. Superstition sounds really polished to me and I counter any notions of filler songs or a weak second half with the best song on the album, The Other Side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEbyXK7GQc

I also gave $40 to the PledgeMusic campaign to get Superstition made so I am as objective as you can be

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



today i have been spending a lot of time revisiting this wonderful album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbcPIgOTURA

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