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Baron Von Ghoulosh
Dec 16, 2005

I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge.

TOOT BOOT posted:

I think Melora Creager from Rasputina might have gone from quirky insane to insane insane.

She's gone from insane insane to bat poo poo crazy insane now. Apparently, Jack White has been personally identified as her stalker/tormentor. This was posted on her blog in early November...

Trust that I am focused on my art (I've completed a whole album), and real experiences with real people.

I'm not a "victim", but I've been victimized, and can get no justice. The FBI only accepts complaints through their website, and they get thousands of "tips" a day.

The physical crimes happened over a year ago. I didn't report them for fear of retaliation by the hacker/stalker.

(He was in our bank accounts- our money was in danger), and because I wasn't believed.

(Interestingly, I hear from joking men who think this is a PR stunt, and sympathetic women who completely understand because something similar has happened to them.)

Maybe he became obsessed with me from my videos. Last Fall, he demanded that I make a pornographic video for him. I refused to do it, but really fell apart at that point.

Experts write to me saying that all this is possible with micro-cameras (that are easy to get), key-logging, root-kits, and a remote access program.

My paranoia comes from real cause, not from delusions or mental illness.

How could I possibly entertain the idea that Jack White is the culprit? Listen to his last album.

The stalker later indicated he was drunk when he asked for pornography from me. He seemed to be someone who was angry because I spurned him.

Take the song, "I Think I Found the Culprit" or "Just One Drink". These songs describe my situation last summer. The whole album is about watching and tricking women, drinking, and being spurned.

But I'm just like you. I'm just a struggling person. I have no way to ask him about this, and a criminal would never admit to their crime anyway, especially a famous person.

But I was never really able to tell who I was talking to. At one point, they indicated it was more than one person.

Hackers are known to sit quietly after they get in, sometimes for years unnoticed. They told me they'd been in my system for a year before the trouble started.

Was it a number of people?

Did they have a profit motive?

Was the porno request intended blackmail?

That's what I felt.

It's hard to get past something so violating and unsolved. Most of us, most of the time, don't realize that we can say what we want in this world. I am saying these things. I can. I never hurt anybody with what I say. I'm putting forth theories, ideas and questions.

Thank you again for listening, and sharing your own true stories with me.

Please keep writing to me at rasputinaville@mac.com

Love,

Melora

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TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



Unfortunate her fans are enabling this by trying to be supportive and telling her she's not crazy.

calicokitty
Sep 18, 2006

TRUE ROBO-LOVE WAITS

Once upon a time, when Kazaa was the favored program for sharing music on the internet, I downloaded a song which later disappeared in a fatal HDD crash and which I have never found again.

What I remember:
    I listened to it in high school, so has to be older than 2004.
    It was labeled as being by Christian Death, but Kazaa being what it was this may or may not be the case. I swear I have listened to every song I can find by them.
    It had some pseudo-egyptian instruments / melodic ornamentation.
    The verse or bridge ended with the line "And the bell... strikes [four?]"
    The lyrics of the chorus went "My, my, where am I, or will you not tell? This is too dark for heaven, and too bright for hell." which oh-so-cleverly changed in the last chorus to "Too bright for heaven / too dark... for hell."

If I could just find this goddamn song which has haunted me on and off for the past decade, I would be so happy my goth card would be permanently revoked. Anyone?

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008



Pillbug

a kitten posted:

Is it wrong that I would wear this shirt?


Because I would totally wear that shirt.

I've got the version where the text says WHAT IS THIS I'VE SEEN IT ON TUMBLR

Since neo-folk has a pretty big crossover with goth, I suspect some of you might like Rome. He's one of the neofolk artists who doesn't have a whole suspiciously right wing/outright Nazi worship thing going on as well, so that's a bonus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPYZGG7q2K4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCrjEPjJp18

And if you're familiar with Neofolk, you should really check out Death In Rome, who do neofolk-style covers of pop songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beP82Vd9N_I

Danger - Octopus! fucked around with this message at Mar 23, 2015 around 20:39

nomapple
Apr 27, 2012


Danger - Octopus! posted:

I've got the version where the text says WHAT IS THIS I'VE SEEN IT ON TUMBLR

Since neo-folk has a pretty big crossover with goth, I suspect some of you might like Rome. He's one of the neofolk artists who doesn't have a whole suspiciously right wing/outright Nazi worship thing going on as well, so that's a bonus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPYZGG7q2K4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCrjEPjJp18

And if you're familiar with Neofolk, you should really check out Death In Rome, who do neofolk-style covers of pop songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beP82Vd9N_I

Rome is excellent and holy poo poo Death In Rome is so good, especially their cover of Wrecking Ball. Bit awkward that I now know all the words to that song though...

LowCityRain is one of the better recent goth bands in my opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtguZizrhNk

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

nomapple posted:

LowCityRain is one of the better recent goth bands in my opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtguZizrhNk

That's pretty good, but I think I'd call it shoegaze more than goth.

It's like She Wants Revenge -- a lot of their stuff is some of the gothiest music to come from a not-goth band in the last decade or so.

Not that there are many identifiably goth bands left in the world, to be honest.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

YOU DON'T DESERVE
A BREAK TODAY


Lipstick Apathy

Floodland is the best album.

precision posted:

One major problem with goths, and I know/have known way more goths than anyone ever should probably, is that in my experience they won't listen to music that clearly sounds like it shares the goth aesthetic but isn't a band that literally looks/labels themselves as "goth".
That's always been funny to me because goth is *all* about aesthetics. There's no real political coherency or consistency, like maybe punk. It's just mood, look, and some gloomy themes. That's how I think about it.

Prosymna is the best gothiest band right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goQlGzy8ZGc

Alter Der Ruine is cool and good. From Tucson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR4sA2-7rZQ

Some cliche goth music (that's also good!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbH9mNRDFDs

Ok Mylene Farmer isn't a "goth musician" but a popular French pop star, but she's also the gothiest goth that ever goth'd, and I'll defend that until I'm buried in the cold, dark, unforgiving ground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vC7d2T4i0

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at Mar 25, 2015 around 04:37

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

YOU DON'T DESERVE
A BREAK TODAY


Lipstick Apathy

I also think this is goth as gently caress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQwLltUNcEM

Some of the local goths in Austin keep them on rotation. Filmed during the horrible drought in Texas a few years ago. Goth is a mood, attitude, aesthetic. That's all it really is.

VOTE YES ON 69
Oct 16, 2008

time is a flat circle


Fun Shoe

Omi-Polari posted:

I also think this is goth as gently caress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQwLltUNcEM

Some of the local goths in Austin keep them on rotation. Filmed during the horrible drought in Texas a few years ago. Goth is a mood, attitude, aesthetic. That's all it really is.

Whoa this is rad. Also hot beatz.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

YOU DON'T DESERVE
A BREAK TODAY


Lipstick Apathy

Oh the '80s bassist from Fields of the Nephilim is in this band now, and I think the Elysium producer (the Pink Floyd guy) did one of their albums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfswRjttHvM

Rhythmic. If you're over 30 and goth, you'll like it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF1HLA1Rq68

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at Mar 25, 2015 around 20:27

nomapple
Apr 27, 2012


Can't wait to check out all these links. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more goth-influenced music in the near future as the 80s seems to be popular again. It's definitely already happening with metal. A lot of black metal bands are trying to bring in a post-punk sound, or have a goth side project (like Beastmilk, now known as Grave Pleasures).

ohrwurm
Jun 25, 2003



Omi-Polari posted:

Prosymna is the best gothiest band right now:

I'll second this. Broken Waters of Mykines is a such a good album.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

YOU DON'T DESERVE
A BREAK TODAY


Lipstick Apathy

nomapple posted:

Can't wait to check out all these links. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more goth-influenced music in the near future as the 80s seems to be popular again. It's definitely already happening with metal. A lot of black metal bands are trying to bring in a post-punk sound, or have a goth side project (like Beastmilk, now known as Grave Pleasures).
I think we are, especially with some relatively popular bands like Austra. Maybe it's a reaction against how so much indie music now is so twee it makes your teeth hurt, at least it does for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuoQgkPKplQ

The interesting think about that video is how dark and gloomy it is, and how goth it is, but it's like ... a 19th century goth. It's not the cobwebs-and-candelabras thing that's been so played out (though I do love that stuff). But the themes in there are like old-school goth-as-gently caress occultism. You expect they'll start burning witches or something.

I dunno. Maybe some self-identified goth types don't like it because it's more popular. I've heard the derisive term "hipster goth," like oh please! Did they think this stuff was obscure in the 1980s in Britain? It wasn't incredibly popular, but goth bands were charting at the time, on pop TV shows, etc.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at Mar 27, 2015 around 02:55

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003


That Austra track is quite nice.

Here's James Ray's new band, Black Hearted Riders: https://soundcloud.com/black-hearted-riders

It's much more organic then Gangwar or the Performance were (while maintaining his spaghetti-western tendencies), and much more rock than the Longfolk were.

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003


polpotpotpotpotpot posted:

Whoa this is rad. Also hot beatz.

Yeah, I just bought the record. Quite nice.

Picnic Princess
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die





These are both fantastic.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

Just discovered Zora. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pifB7dKZDrA

Downtempo dark industrial/ethereal, with just a little bit of a Faith and the Muse feel.

lt_kennedy
Sep 2, 2007
Needs Moar Race

Danger - Octopus! posted:

I've got the version where the text says WHAT IS THIS I'VE SEEN IT ON TUMBLR

Since neo-folk has a pretty big crossover with goth, I suspect some of you might like Rome. He's one of the neofolk artists who doesn't have a whole suspiciously right wing/outright Nazi worship thing going on as well, so that's a bonus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPYZGG7q2K4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCrjEPjJp18

And if you're familiar with Neofolk, you should really check out Death In Rome, who do neofolk-style covers of pop songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beP82Vd9N_I


King Dude are amazing gothy Neo-Folk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjvYTPQ25-4
Lucifer is the Light of the World - urgh this song is so good

There's an Australian group called Veloceraptor! who have a track called "Leeches" that I mistook for an Echo and the Bunnymen jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIBC6RpVyvg

Scanning through my goth playlist there's a lot of 'dark industrial' stuff than I realized mostly because they were always monster dance floor fillers at our terrible local Goth/Dark Alternative club 'Faith' things like Distillat by Das Ich (usually the VNV remix which is tight but not as good as the original mix), "Like a Prayer" a Madonna cover by BiGod20 got butts on floors like crazy and Dead Stars by Covenant.

What Wolfshiem "Once in a Lifetime" was always a playlist staple, they always meshed well with New Order.

And before I forget - mother loving - INKUBUS SUKUBUS, lovingly known by my older goth/pagan mates as 'Inky Sucky' - I always found their 'Vampyre' schtick more tolerable than say 'London After Midnight' perhaps because lyrically they were a tiny bit more creative but I do love LAM as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMihBYEVBec
Lucifer Rising - Inkubus Sukubus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtPg15tBQs
London After Midnight - Psycho Magnet

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

lt_kennedy posted:

And before I forget - mother loving - INKUBUS SUKUBUS, lovingly known by my older goth/pagan mates as 'Inky Sucky' - I always found their 'Vampyre' schtick more tolerable than say 'London After Midnight' perhaps because lyrically they were a tiny bit more creative but I do love LAM as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMihBYEVBec
Lucifer Rising - Inkubus Sukubus

I always thought Inkubus Sukkubus' schtick was more paganism than vampires. Decent music, though, and they were pretty good live.

babyturnsblue
Jun 14, 2007

i used to dance before the discos came


Omi-Polari posted:


I dunno. Maybe some self-identified goth types don't like it because it's more popular. I've heard the derisive term "hipster goth," like oh please! Did they think this stuff was obscure in the 1980s in Britain? It wasn't incredibly popular, but goth bands were charting at the time, on pop TV shows, etc.

I tend to write-off a lot of the "newer" goth bands because they're way too campy for me (though that's kind of hilarious of me to think since goth is campy as hell) and lack that post-punk/deathrock sound. Though at the same time there are people that prefer the more poppy side of goth, so I guess it just depends on your preference. Usually I'll try to listen to a newer band that's described to have a goth sound and it just doesn't interest me, which is a bummer because I could sure use some new bands.

Angular Landbury
Oct 24, 2011

MAGGLE.

Edit: Dumb Rant, Ignore.

Angular Landbury fucked around with this message at Jul 2, 2015 around 03:48

Picnic Princess
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die




drat, and here I thought you were posting a cover of this classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g51OD6CPwQ

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!


precision posted:

I'd say Voltaire is just as bad though. I hate that guy. So much.

It's OK to be absolutely incorrect sometimes, I guess. Which you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFkOYRl5hTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Xm7P5jego

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC6UtsPa13o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcON9ZmGDBc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwiTPOzPJu4

And man, it's a shame to hear about Melora. Rasputina is one of my favorite acts, and losing such a wonderful musician to mental illness is an incredibly sad turn of events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5dSfD6snpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnft-pJ2PUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvHUWgTzLLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztx_Vj1Txmo

Silhouette fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2015 around 22:15

Okuyasu Nijimura
May 31, 2015




Silhouette posted:


And man, it's a shame to hear about Melora. Rasputina is one of my favorite acts, and losing such a wonderful musician to mental illness is an incredibly sad turn of events.

I really love Rasputina too, so it's definitely sad. She has some tour dates set up now, I guess, but she recently put this up and it's pretty weird though not as bad as that prior post she made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWnW3JqGOck

I mean that video isn't exactly that far afield from stuff she's said historically but I dunno...

Okuyasu Nijimura fucked around with this message at Jul 15, 2015 around 05:15

Angular Landbury
Oct 24, 2011

MAGGLE.

That Publicist UK album that just came out seems appropriate to discuss here. They're like a slightly more violent sounding Echo and the Bunnymen with some Gun Club and Nephilimy moments.

Anyone else hear it?

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003


Angular Landbury posted:

That Publicist UK album that just came out seems appropriate to discuss here. They're like a slightly more violent sounding Echo and the Bunnymen with some Gun Club and Nephilimy moments.

Anyone else hear it?

Hadn't heard about it. Sounds intriguing.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

Listening to them now. It's like the unholy child of post-punk and doom metal. Not bad.

On the topic of goth-ish post-punk, the Chameleons ("Vox") are about to tour North America, playing their Script of the Bridge album. I'm seeing them in two weeks. Should be fun.

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/20...-us-tour-dates/

ohrwurm
Jun 25, 2003



Siouxsie has a new song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodPtK1tpXc

babyturnsblue
Jun 14, 2007

i used to dance before the discos came


Lead out in cuffs posted:

Listening to them now. It's like the unholy child of post-punk and doom metal. Not bad.

On the topic of goth-ish post-punk, the Chameleons ("Vox") are about to tour North America, playing their Script of the Bridge album. I'm seeing them in two weeks. Should be fun.

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/20...-us-tour-dates/


I'm seeing them in Chicago and it's a dream come true.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

I don't think anyone's mentioned Chelsea Wolfe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49MYJkEazIg

20 years ago this would probably have been called "ethereal".

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!

Put this loser on ignore immediately!


Last time I went clubbing I got treated to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBN-1Q0_Fiw Apparently it's "witch house" whatever the hell that is.

And here's a classic I haven't seen mentioned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYxIMOODrvg

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

Yeah I've been hearing about witch house too. It even has a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_house_(music_genre)

(which you linked to -- yeah there's a tendency for band names with weird Unicode characters in them) is actually a side project of the Deftones' lead singer, and apparently there's some debate as to whether it qualifies as "true" witch house (lol). Then again, people seem to be classifying Zola Jesus and Crystal Castles as being in the genre, so

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



have you guys been in a coma for the last 5 years or something. the whole "what is witch house" freakout was a while ago

also the correct answer to the question "can X artist be qualified as true genre Y?" is and should always be "who gives a gently caress shut up". Genres are useful terms as general descriptors of an artist to give a general idea of their sound while describing them. but once it gets taken to a level of debating whether any artist "truly belongs" in a genre or not, it's time to stop because that is an entirely pointless ego-driven endeavor about categorism, not music.

also anything involving Chino is usually pretty great

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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

Look at my horse; my horse is amazing.

Earwicker posted:

have you guys been in a coma for the last 5 years or something. the whole "what is witch house" freakout was a while ago

Something like that. Does a somewhat co-dependent marriage (now ended) count?

Earwicker posted:

also the correct answer to the question "can X artist be qualified as true genre Y?" is and should always be "who gives a gently caress shut up". Genres are useful terms as general descriptors of an artist to give a general idea of their sound while describing them. but once it gets taken to a level of debating whether any artist "truly belongs" in a genre or not, it's time to stop because that is an entirely pointless ego-driven endeavor about categorism, not music.

Well, yeah. Hence "lol".

Earwicker posted:

also anything involving Chino is usually pretty great

Not gonna disagree.

Picnic Princess
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die



If witch house is being brought up, might as well post this, I always liked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCaR8teExu0

moths
Aug 25, 2004



I didn't especially care for the crosses song, but I watched the whole video to see if that was really Norman Reedus. (I don't think it was.)

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?


Pretty sure this qualifies as goth. I heard this song on a Sunday afternoon outside a Starbucks of all places:

Grave Babies- Something Awful ()
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlHLMDbhWqg

The rest of the album is really good, too!

Bonk
Aug 4, 2002

Douche Baggins

I really enjoy Emma Ruth Rundle's solo stuff: https://emmaruthrundle.bandcamp.com...ome-heavy-ocean

Her work with Marriages is a bit more dreampop/alt-rock but in the same vein: http://marriagesmusic.bandcamp.com/


As far as classic goth-rock/post-punk, The Comsat Angels don't get enough credit for being as influential as they were. Yeah they turned all New Wave pop after their first couple albums, but their first couple were really cool and diverse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQHOfjemCuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrYXixknFbs

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.


I often get the impression that goth music isn't very innovative any more these days, but then sometimes I find an artist like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuX87BBCh_8

Good stuff!

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I have a new album out and it's definitely got a lot of goth-ish influences. Especially early 90's Swans and the first DCD album. Check it out: https://disparition.bandcamp.com/album/faite

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