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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



The label "goth" really applies to a number of things that branched off in different directions starting in the 70's but fracturing even more in the 80's. You've got a lot of the classic goth rock covered in the OP, and I love Bauhaus and Fields of the Nephilim, but I have always been much more into the ethereal branch of the music.

Dead Can Dance has been one of my favorite bands forever, they started off more in the traditional post-punk/goth rock vein but quickly got into ethereal and neoclassical music and IMO everything they did in the 80's and early 90's was brilliant. The Serpent's Egg is probably the best starting place for them as it's sort of a balance between the various sounds they experimented with over their career.

There is also a lot of good stuff from this period that came from Projekt records, in particular the band started by the label's founder Sam Rosenthal which is called Black Tape for a Blue Girl. Sometime in the early 2000's their lineup changed and they got kind of bad, but their 90's albums, especially Remnants of a Deeper Purity, are really beautiful. Other good Projekt bands would be Ordo Equitum Solis, Love Spirals Downwards, and Arcana

Also not quit within the genre but certainly within the realm of overlap (and very much it's own thing) is This Mortal Coil, which was a sort of supergroup involving a bunch of artists on 4AD including Dead Can Dance and Cocteau Twins. It was actually just the 30th anniversary of their debut album. They did three albums (plus a fourth under another name, Hope Blisters, years later) which are mostly very creative covers and also some original ambient pieces, and they are all incredible albums that you can listen to for years and years and still notice new details.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at Oct 4, 2014 around 19:21

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



nomapple posted:

I need some help getting into Dead Can Dance. Tried the most recent album, gave it several listens, didn't really get anywhere with it in the end other than the first couple of tracks A load of my friends love them, so maybe I just need to start elsewhere?

The most recent album is a sort of weird reunion album that they made after having been seperated for like a decade. It's rather far removed from what they used to be.

Like I said earlier I think The Serpent's Egg is the best place to start as it's kind of a meeting point of the various styles they went into over their career, though I guess it misses out on some of the more rockier stuff from the early days. Every one of their albums is fairly different. The first album for example is very guitar heavy but it's still got their distinct sound already and is also great.

El Miguel posted:

When I think "goth" I think about people who wax romantic about vampires, not Cthulhu (Neph), drugs and Old Testament vengeance (Birthday Party), or drugs and politics (the Sisters).

Way to let the roleplaying game nerds take over the whole concept. The term as applied to modern music originally just meant music that addressed dark subject matter but also with a certain romantic appeal and I think the first band it was applied to was The Doors because that really does describe Jim Morrison's lyrics and persona quite well. It was then applied to Joy Division, probably at first because of Ian Curtis's similarity to Morrison in both vocal tone and lyrics, and spread from there. Initially it had nothing to do with vampires, though it quickly came to include that sort of thing.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2014 around 17:37

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



El Miguel posted:

Oh yeah, I'm quite well aware of that. From that point of view Cohen or Cash qualify as well. But looking at the contemporary use of the term, I think it does a disservice to the artistry of people like Cohen, Cave, Joy Division, or even Eldritch, to lump them in with "the roleplaying game nerds." At this point, the term is used chiefly to ghettoize music, and I don't blame Eldritch or Robert Smith for rejecting the label.

I still think the Nephilim are just a little too weird for any label.

Well I was joking about roleplaying game nerds, I just mean there's way more to "gothic" than vampires. I would definitely describe much of Cohen's and Cave's work that way. In a way these artists, while they make very different kinds of music, have in common that they are the modern artists who best follow the sort of mood established by composers like Chopin or Rachmaninoff. There's a heavy romantic fixation on death.

These sorts of labels are very often rejected by the artists they apply to, because the labels tend to come from journalists rather than musicians and the musicians involved don't really see themselves as part of any such "movement". I certainly understand where they are coming from and as an artist labels can be maddening. But I still think it's a useful term when not being used dismissively (which I agree it all too often is these days).

Earwicker fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2014 around 17:50

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Speaking of Legendary Pink Dots, there is also a great side project with some members of Skinny Puppy called Tear Garden. its Edward Ka-Spel, cEvin Key, Dwayne Goettel (RIP) and I think a few other SubConscious people like Phil Western? And some other folks associated with LPD. Anyway they have several albums and they are all very good, especially Last Man to Fly. The sound is much closer to LPD than to SP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GupGDOyub7Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiwynSly7BU

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



oh yeah anyone remember Wild Planet? it was a comp from Subconscious and had a bunch of exclusive tracks from plateau, doubting thomas, lustmord, cevin key, etc. It had one of the best Tear Garden songs imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdzxgxG-vtQ

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Why what happened?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



She should probably take her own advice about looking up Stockholm Syndome.

To be serious though, I don't think claiming to have had one's computer and web accounts hacked is a sign of mental illness. I mean that's not exactly paranoid conspiracy theory territory, people have their computer and facebook accounts hacked into all the time.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Well its better than the Disney version

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I love Faith and the Muse and a good friend of mine was their touring percussionist on one of their more recent tours a few years ago. they range from straight up gothic rock to more celtic influenced early Dead Can Dance style neoclassical pieces with a bit of industrial influence. in a way they were a bit of a "supergroup" as the two principals are William Faith of Christian Death and Monica Richards of Strange Boutique

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



it would be really great if no one talked about amanda palmer in this of all threads

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:

Who else is like Dead Can Dance? I like them a lot but I feel like every group I've heard that's supposed to be similar is just straight up world music instead of being kinda between post-punk and world/neoclassical

There is a really good Russian band called Secrets of the Third Planet that has some stuff that reminds me of earlier DCD when they had more of a post-punk element. Though they are more dreamy and ambient

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUX1DCP1_LY

also forgive the bad form but, my own last full length album was definitely influenced by their neoclassical period (and their collaborations in This Mortal Coil): https://disparition.bandcamp.com/album/granicha

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I loving love Bat for Lashes. Although every one of her albums seems to inevitably have one really boring song that I hate. But yeah in general she is great, especially live. Never thought of her as goth really but there's certainly an influence.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



today i have been spending a lot of time revisiting this wonderful album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbcPIgOTURA

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



have you guys been in a coma for the last 5 years or something. the whole "what is witch house" freakout was a while ago

also the correct answer to the question "can X artist be qualified as true genre Y?" is and should always be "who gives a gently caress shut up". Genres are useful terms as general descriptors of an artist to give a general idea of their sound while describing them. but once it gets taken to a level of debating whether any artist "truly belongs" in a genre or not, it's time to stop because that is an entirely pointless ego-driven endeavor about categorism, not music.

also anything involving Chino is usually pretty great

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I have a new album out and it's definitely got a lot of goth-ish influences. Especially early 90's Swans and the first DCD album. Check it out: https://disparition.bandcamp.com/album/faite

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