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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

CODChimera posted:

Were people actually surprised that Carrie seduced an asset?

I thought the episode was fine. Not super exciting but nothing to make me want to stop watching the show.

It's like being an CIA asset is her aphrodisiac.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
Everybody thought Quinn would be super jealous but it seemed more like he was shocked at her lack of professionalism, mostly because she was busy wooing the kid while they desperately needed her authority as section chief.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Junkenstein posted:

There's loads of stories if you google spy honey traps.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/03/12/the_history_of_the_honey_trap

Maybe it's unlikely a station chief would be getting up to that kind of shennanigans in real life, but then it's highly unlikely Carrie would still be employed by the CIA in real life anyway.

It would be impossible. The amount of clearance and information Carrie has access to in the position would preclude her getting personally involved with an asset, but hey, the show needs drama.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

CalvinandHobbes posted:

High level agent maybe not station chief during active investigations

The show really isn't selling her role as a station chief. It's like she can just wander about and do whatever when in reality she'd be in the office/meetings constantly and would never be allowed to just wander out into Pakistan to chat up an asset.

The silence in the room after Carrie/Asset's talk over the phone where he outed their having hosed was hilarious, plus that other CIA guy's look was perfect; a blend of awkward "uh, do I say anything" and "holy poo poo we all know she hosed this dude"

pentyne fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Nov 3, 2014

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
It only took 5 episodes on pants on head idiotic plot to deliver one fantastic episode.

...Anyone else here watched the show when it first started? Season 1 was train ride of awesomeness that didn't stop and just kept getting better up until that moment when Brody was in the bunker wearing the vest. Now I feel like I'm watching the limp corpse of that show twitch on the operating table and someone jammed an adrenaline needle into its heart for a brief moment before the spasms wear off and its back to "prelude to the lumberjack ending"

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Geno posted:

S1 of Homeland was easily its best and don't think it'll ever come close to that.

Writers: "We have a mind blowing story and we know how it will end creating one of the best seasons of television ever"

Showtime: "Wait up, Damian Lewis is crazy popular, keep him alive."

Writers: "But that ruins the entire show and-"

*cut to Showtime producers tapping a wad of cash on the table.

Writers: "Fine, whatever you say."

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Pryor on Fire posted:

I can't really stop watching even if they drag Dana back in somehow.

Don't say things you can't take back.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Peven Stan posted:

This show is so bad I can't believe it was greenlit for another season.

The last 2 episodes have been pretty good, but the deluge of crap that was episode 1-6 and the romance with the Pakistani kid/MD student was really bad. Carrie being unable to kill Saul was pretty good acting, but the constant "who can we trust" thing is getting annoying. I've barely paid attention to Duck being a clumsy spy, but the way they play up smug Intel Pakistani lady I can't tell if they're building up for a "she gets served hard" or gets away scot free.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Ilustforponydeath posted:

Clair Danes puts on brownface and that ISI chick puts on whiteface.

And it cuts to Quinn pointing a gun and wavering back and forth saying "I don't know which one to shoot!"

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Professor Shark posted:

Great episode, cannot wait until the finale, holy poo poo. 24 as all get out, but I'm ready for a Quinn PTSD explosion.

So...him going back to America, starting dating that one girl again, and when the bros mock her for her weight/appearance he snaps and heads to their frat house and burns it down, killing anyone who tries to escape it via hand to hand combat?

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

gently caress SNEEP posted:

Ugh, part of me doesn't want the CIA to kill everyone coming in to the embassy because that's what this show would do. But then I realized it was telegraphed with Quinn staying behind that it won't be as bad :qq:

If the show continues its trend, Haqqani will take the CIA head hostage, execute some of the low level staff we've seen, and make some insane demands of the US. Quinn will either be killed, or pull a John McClane and scurry through the vents slowly taking out the terrorists.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

n3wt posted:

I loved her, she really showed how un-normal and messed up Quinn is.
Brainwashed to think he has no real life skills that could translate to a job: dude can spot dodgy body language in a crowd! That is a very valuable skill, not only that, but he doesn't give off the usual military/cop body language that makes suspects run or panic when approached.
Casinos will give him top dollars for that skill even if he's blacklisted from government agencies.
If he wants to go low key, he can be the mall cop who watches 10 different monitors and while chatting on the phone to his girlfriend all day.
He can also follow people, be sure he's not followed, read liars, break and enter like a ghost. Perfect corporate spy. Perfect PI. Perfect 'fixer'. How can he think he's just a walking weapon? (not that he isn't pretty loving awesome as a walking weapon)
OK now I want backstory. I want to see how Dar Adal recruits and creates his black ops guys.
I'd also like to know for how long Saul has known Carrie is willing to use sex to get information or trust and how often he's used that.

Quinn lived in an empty apartment consisting of a sleeping bag, a Tv, and a fridge. He's beyond "un-normal" he's incapable of living a civilian life without major long term therapy.

I think Adal probably trained his operatives in the Bourne/B16 style of training. Break them utterly so they have no other recourse but to work in black ops until they die.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Gonz posted:

I hope Quinn's path of vengeance works out well and he kills Haqqani in bitchin' fashion, but Homeland loves to deliver the sad; so even if he manages to become a one man Seal Team 6 and finishes the job, he'll probably die.

The final shot of the season will be his fat girlfriend finding out the news.

Probably, which sucks. I'd rather have Quinn basically torture the living gently caress out of a bunch of people, kill Haqqani, and then up and quit and return to that girl and make a shot at living a simple life, like working on a farm or night security guard and making a go at a healthy relationship.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

waitwhatno posted:

I gotta say, that's one ugly babby. Poor thing, poor parents.

Who was that in the car at the end of the episode? Was it that black ops guy Dora Tall?

Dar Adal, the guy who trained/broke Quinn and was always the "rogue" element at the CIA.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Dirk Pitt posted:

What the gently caress is waffle guy doing with Haqqani?

Typical back door CIA black ops shenanigans. Probably orchestrated the whole thing to get political rear end in a top hat guy out and himself in. Who knows.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
To everyone still defending it after 5 episodes of Carrie makes insanely poor decisions and using her magical vagina, saying "This show is good because it's a slow burn and not 24-esque" only works when the show doesn't bank its entire plot on "shock" moments and then repeatedly poo poo the bed.

There was serious potential and promise, but in the end it just comes down to the writers contriving whatever moronic situation they feel like to resolve their dangling plot threads without any regard for it making sense or crafting a coherent tale. It's basically "We wrote ourselves into a corner, how do we get out...SHOCKING DAR ADAL APPEARANCE!"

Brody's cameo was literally the best thing the show did the entire season, because for a brief moment it honestly seemed like he could be alive. That more or less sums up this season, a collection of fantastic scenes they knew they wanted to film and then half-assed the writing to make those scenes happen.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

gret posted:

What a horrible finale. Who thinks we give a poo poo about Carrie's personal life?

The writers somehow think what people want out of Homeland is tons of Carrie's family drama and Carrie constantly making anguished and emotional faces.

By now everyone knows that Claire Danes can act like a loving champ, we don't have to keep seeing her angst and suffering to connect to her character. At best it seems like the current show writers are just watching season 1/2 and trying to do similar things in the hopes of being as highly regarded.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

Conspiracy theory:

Season 4 finale was initially filmed to wrap up the Haqqani story, with him being killed, and also deal with some serious mindfuck Dar Adal treason poo poo.

When they got Season 5 greenlit though, they decided they wanted to string Haqqani out for another season (because everyone loved the Haqqani stuff), so they ditched their existing finale and scrambled to re-shoot a new one (they had to shoot it all in the US, because the South Africa shoot had all packed up) - so they came up with this cobbled-together bollocks instead, and of course had to sort-of wave away the Dar Adal stuff with some weak piffle, so that they could string his treason stuff out for another season as well.

This will be the history of the show.

"When Season X was confirmed they had to redo and make adjusts to the original plan in a matter of days"

Brody was supposed to die, Showtime came in and ordered them to keep him alive, ruined what might've been the best season of TV ever. Even the Brody family stuff in season 1 was incredible and worth every second they spent on it until Dana was reduced to a troubled teen roaming the countryside just complaining and dragging down the show.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

CODChimera posted:

That could be the best way to do it though.

That Homeland has reached the point where "scrap it and start over" each season from the previous meta-plot is a testament to how bad the writing is. No one cares if there are 3 brilliant episodes of TV surrounded by 7 complete poo poo ones and the only consistent thing is Carrie's spastic behavior.

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