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Welcome to the future. Yesterday, the Vocaloid program Hatsune Miku was featured on The Late Show with David Letterman. This is a big deal, since this was her first Western TV appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA5pIpdQEr0 From all accounts, Dave was perplexed but the crowd was into it. This is coming straight off her art exhibit in New York called "Universal Positivity" and the Miku Expo. She will be playing to a crowd at the Hammerstein Ballroom. Miku is a Vocaloid, a program created by Crypton to synthesize Japanese singing. She is the most popular program. Here are some reasons why you should like Vocaloids and in particular Miku. 1) She loves you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqpas_gc-IQ 2) She loves America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdIQE3aS81Y 3) She is a good Catholic girl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hP3d9gYjVE This is the Vocaloid general discussion thread! Talk about your favorite Vocaloids, but know that Miku is the best.
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Oct 9, 2014 14:48
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It's like we learned nothing from Macross Plus.
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Oct 9, 2014 15:07
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Mecha Gojira posted:It's like we learned nothing from Macross Plus. You say that now, but just wait until we get invaded by giant aliens and Miku wins us the war. 
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Oct 9, 2014 15:12
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this isnt the vocaloid thread anybody wanted but it's probably the one we deserve  
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Oct 9, 2014 15:14
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So, uh, what is Vocaloid, really then? Basically a midi composer sort of package? How do you make songs in it?
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Oct 9, 2014 15:17
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Yeah it uses spliced and processed vocal fragments to imitate sung words and stuff, it's pretty cool technology despite the associated characters. I like the nico chorus renditions of a bunch of songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnUiLPbQKQ
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Oct 9, 2014 15:21
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:You say that now, but just wait until we get invaded by giant aliens and Miku wins us the war. Remember you said this when the Predator drones are raining hellfire upon us to the tune of synthetic J-pop dokidoki bullshit.
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Oct 9, 2014 15:28
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Yeah it uses spliced and processed vocal fragments to imitate sung words and stuff, it's pretty cool technology despite the associated characters. Nobody to this day knows if vocaloid took off for the intended purpose, or if its real success can only be attributed to the selling of the mascot. (knowing japan i'd fully suspect the latter) This can be seen if you research the marketing trends of Vocaloid1 KAITO/MEIKO from Crypton (which bombed pretty hard, the british V1 Leon/Lola from Zero-G were a fair bit more successful than any of the japanese counterparts to the extent that competing software was even threatening to overtake the entire endeavor) where the mascot/title characters were mostly a means of referencing the vocal banks and not heavily advertised, versus V2 Hatsune Miku, where they had an actual team of designers come up with the mascot and they pushed the "digital singer" angle, which exploded into the phenomenon you see today.
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Oct 9, 2014 15:30
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Didn't they end up releasing one character with a focus on English singing rather than Japanese, or did I imagine that?
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Oct 9, 2014 16:12
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she...she loves me? where do I get one?
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Oct 9, 2014 16:13
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Op, this belongs in games, SHSC, and/or yospos.
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Oct 9, 2014 16:15
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As far as fake cartoon music acts go, Miku is pretty unremarkable, ranking far below revolutionary performers like the Gorillaz, Fire Bomber, and Dethklok. Try as she might for legitimacy, she's proven herself incapable of moving beyond the crassly commercial antics of her fellow fictional peers, relegated to the same extra-soulless sound put out by the likes of the Monkees, assorted 765 Production idol acts, and Mackelmore I blame Sega. They can't do anything right.
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Oct 9, 2014 16:25
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She is, on the other hand, far more human than many others in today's industry
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Oct 9, 2014 16:28
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OnimaruXLR posted:As far as fake cartoon music acts go, Miku is pretty unremarkable, ranking far below revolutionary performers like the Gorillaz, Fire Bomber, and Dethklok. Try as she might for legitimacy, she's proven herself incapable of moving beyond the crassly commercial antics of her fellow fictional peers, relegated to the same extra-soulless sound put out by the likes of the Monkees, assorted 765 Production idol acts, and Mackelmore what the gently caress
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Oct 9, 2014 16:47
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OnimaruXLR posted:As far as fake cartoon music acts go, Miku is pretty unremarkable, ranking far below revolutionary performers like the Gorillaz, Fire Bomber, and Dethklok. Try as she might for legitimacy, she's proven herself incapable of moving beyond the crassly commercial antics of her fellow fictional peers, relegated to the same extra-soulless sound put out by the likes of the Monkees, assorted 765 Production idol acts, and Mackelmore yeah except that she makes music that i like
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Oct 9, 2014 16:48
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:what the gently caress yeah, the monkees owned
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Oct 9, 2014 16:52
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"revolutionary performers like the Gorillaz, Fire Bomber, and Dethklok" Yuck
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Oct 9, 2014 16:52
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I have nothing against the program because it's a very cool idea although most people using it seem to be bad. I can leave the weird fetishization of the mascots though. What are some good vocaloid songs?
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Oct 9, 2014 16:56
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Pierson posted:I have nothing against the program because it's a very cool idea although most people using it seem to be bad. I can leave the weird fetishization of the mascots though. the famous ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0-2lzA7_Cg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJ6UR_pD5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbbA9BhCTko my favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG2I17Zm8kI
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Oct 9, 2014 16:58
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Smoking Crow posted:the famous ones man what the gently caress am I watching
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Oct 9, 2014 17:01
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This is a decent video about the whole Vocaloid thing. http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/8/6947813/hatsune-miku-david-letterman-the-late-show-appearance
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Oct 9, 2014 17:04
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LaTex Fetish posted:man what the gently caress am I watching The future motherfucker
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Oct 9, 2014 17:04
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there are some really good songs using vocaloids but they always sound 1000x better with a human singer, even an amateur one doing a fandub on niconico with a 1000 yen mic
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Oct 9, 2014 17:09
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Endorph posted:there are some really good songs using vocaloids but they always sound 1000x better with a human singer, even an amateur one doing a fandub on niconico with a 1000 yen mic But I don't like those people as much as I like Miku
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Oct 9, 2014 17:10
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Endorph posted:there are some really good songs using vocaloids but they always sound 1000x better with a human singer, even an amateur one doing a fandub on niconico with a 1000 yen mic yeah this is true, pyf utaite Itou Kashitarou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7SceXwqRG4 MARiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2a2zAbaIMg Touyu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MbV0Clal6g Soraru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amWCKGMrA-c
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Oct 9, 2014 17:14
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a kitten posted:This is a decent video about the whole Vocaloid thing. I wanna punch that guy in his loving face Also I like Lon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGj__M2PeKk
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Oct 9, 2014 17:25
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OnimaruXLR posted:I wanna punch that guy in his loving face He definitely deserves it. Still thought the video was a decent explanation. So is this Chrome commercial, which is also the only time that Vocaloid+corporation has looked even remotely cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCSn6gGyA6s a kitten fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 9, 2014 18:02
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Question: is anyone more happy than Miku
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Oct 9, 2014 19:01
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Answer: me when I am with Miku
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Oct 9, 2014 19:35
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I love Miku and you should too.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:44
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gorillaz are better than miku
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Oct 9, 2014 19:49
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all you need to know is that manbo-p makes the best MMVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhKIOZnPjtg
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Oct 9, 2014 20:07
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Outer Science posted:yeah this is true, pyf utaite Real life covers of Vocaloid songs are p cool, but what about Vocaloid covers of real life songs?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYlHy5PbWiA E: Oh lol just realized your username. The worst thing about the Mekakucity Actors anime was that they didn't do a cover for that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui4TXA9oFmg Futaba Anzu fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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Oct 9, 2014 20:27
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It's probably not fair to compare a Vocaloid to a "real" celebrity but the video got me thinking. I wonder if a Vocaloid will ever have mainstream appeal in the west. People don't just care about music stars because of the music, they care about the media circus that follows them around. People read whole magazines dedicated to the day to day life of their favorite celebrities. Magazines about who is screwing who, how someone lost their baby-weight so quickly, who was out too late drinking and stumbled into a cab at 5am. But a Vocaloid only produces content. Regardless of the quality of that content what draws a lot of people to celebrities is their crazy and sometimes totally made up personal lives. Which a Vocaloid does not have.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:21
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CircleBoy posted:It's probably not fair to compare a Vocaloid to a "real" celebrity but the video got me thinking. I wonder if a Vocaloid will ever have mainstream appeal in the west. People don't just care about music stars because of the music, they care about the media circus that follows them around. People read whole magazines dedicated to the day to day life of their favorite celebrities. Magazines about who is screwing who, how someone lost their baby-weight so quickly, who was out too late drinking and stumbled into a cab at 5am. What about insanely private artists like the guys in Radiohead? They sell a shitton of copies.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:26
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you thought the anime had only just come but it has been here for much longer (linked because thumbnail ruins the surprise) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LuF-hPcTw
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Oct 9, 2014 21:36
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No but really, here's a Western song that uses a Vocaloid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAIDqt2aUek
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Oct 9, 2014 21:38
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Smoking Crow posted:What about insanely private artists like the guys in Radiohead? They sell a shitton of copies. Hadn't really thought about that, but even though they are private I think many of their fans still care about them as people. I'm going to admit that I don't actively listen to Radiohead but I don't think it an outlandish assumption that their music also reflects their personal lives in some way and changes as they change. Meanwhile a Vocaloid is just a sock puppet for other people. I think its intresting that the character is open source and so can serve as the means of expression for a great many people, but doing that also robs her somewhat of core personality and development. Miku will never grow up, will never have her life experiences change her music the way a human artist does, there's no personal journey to follow or engage with. I guess on the other hand it could lead to a weird situation where everyone invents their own personal journey and has bizarre arguments about what Miku is REALLY like.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:52
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I wasn't sold until the explanation. I haven't listened to much pop for the past decade or more because overproduced pop stars sound half like vocaloids themselves. An entirely fabricated pop star seems like the natural next step. The inclusion of the fans to create songs is a great thing, too. For all the media people devour following their favorite stars, so much more people are creating today with accessible tools and social media that ever before that I think the possibility to sing any song they want along with their favorites for a lot of people will more than make up for missing out on what would have happened in the tabloids and daytime television. I still have to get used to the robot voices, though.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:56
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CircleBoy posted:Hadn't really thought about that, but even though they are private I think many of their fans still care about them as people. I'm going to admit that I don't actively listen to Radiohead but I don't think it an outlandish assumption that their music also reflects their personal lives in some way and changes as they change. Meanwhile a Vocaloid is just a sock puppet for other people. I think its intresting that the character is open source and so can serve as the means of expression for a great many people, but doing that also robs her somewhat of core personality and development. Miku will never grow up, will never have her life experiences change her music the way a human artist does, there's no personal journey to follow or engage with. I don't think that is a problem, since the songs that are popular seem to normalize her as a character (she's fun, happy, likes leaks, etc). I would also argue with artists who do not write their own songs, like a majority of country and R&B singers. Michael Jackson did not write any of the songs on the best selling album of all time, Thriller.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:57
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