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Just saw it. I feel like they didn't really do a great job of conveying Shirou's inner breakdown from using the power, it just seemed like a convenient power-up. Like, in the novel it's pretty clear that he's basically lost all sense of time and place, and keeps forgetting everyone's names and why he is doing what he's doing, but is trying to put on a strong face so no one notices. Except in the anime you only see that strong face so it pretty much looks like he's completely fine other than a few hiccups every so often. Doesn't help that the anime regularly uses jump cuts anyway, so they aren't especially disorienting like they were in the VN. Also I just generally felt like everything had less emotional weight than it did when I read the VN way back when, but maybe that's just a nostalgia thing. Also also it remains slightly funny to me that the entire plot could've been solved way earlier if they'd remembered that they could just project Rule Breaker at any time, and no I will not listen to technobabble explanations for why that wasn't possible until the last possible moment.
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the crest worm was still inside her and had replaced her magic circuits
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 15:21 |
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Nyaa posted:How does FGO system manifest heroic spirit? Some alternate Third Magic? The Einzbern factory, whose objective was to rediscover the Third Magic, did achieve a minor success with Justeaze, but she couldn't actualize the Third Magic on the scale required to save the world. Instead, they lashed her into the Greater Grail and used her power to materialize the summoned heroic souls. This is what makes the Fuyuki HGW special, because normally it takes the authority of the world itself to materialize them. Regular HS summoning is closer to a seance or Shaman King-style possession. HSs themselves are provided by piggybacking off the (human) world's self-defense system.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:20 |
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The FGO system is also its own (special) system.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:21 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:The FGO system is also its own (special) system. It's still based in the Fuyuki system, anyways.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:24 |
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the fgo system is only special in that it uses a part of the round table as the conduit to summon
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:28 |
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There's other differences, but they're all superficial. The core of it is still the same as in FSN. Most of the weirdness comes from the fact history is broken.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:36 |
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Nyaa posted:How does FGO system manifest heroic spirit? Some alternate Third Magic? davinci takes all of your money
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 00:07 |
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Kyte posted:Regular HS summoning is closer to a seance or Shaman King-style possession. Is this why demiservants are so common now?
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 01:19 |
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AlternateNu posted:Is this why demiservants are so common now? Pseudos, but yes. The basic idea of pseudos was first mentioned in passing by Rin in FSN, it only really became a thing in FGO. Although both Apo and Case Files leverage the idea as well.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 01:51 |
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Clarste posted:Just saw it. I feel like they didn't really do a great job of conveying Shirou's inner breakdown from using the power, it just seemed like a convenient power-up. Like, in the novel it's pretty clear that he's basically lost all sense of time and place, and keeps forgetting everyone's names and why he is doing what he's doing, but is trying to put on a strong face so no one notices. Except in the anime you only see that strong face so it pretty much looks like he's completely fine other than a few hiccups every so often. Doesn't help that the anime regularly uses jump cuts anyway, so they aren't especially disorienting like they were in the VN. I disagree. I thought they portrayed it very well and did it entirely through subtle facial animations and dialogue. You can see after he uses Nine Lives Blade Works the way he just vacantly stares at Illya until his brain goes "well I probably know this person so I better comfort her" or how he exclusively refers to Rider as "hey, you" after using Rho Aias
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 02:05 |
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yeah i think a lot of the movie was built on split-second cues to things you understand more clearly as a vn reader. which could be seen as a flaw,, i loved it tho
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 03:17 |
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I think I noticed some of that, definitely worth a rewatch to pay more attention to it all. Maybe they'll re-animate the Fate route? Tsukihime? HA?
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 03:52 |
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I feel like the middle part of Heaven's feel was really great but the conclusion lacked the impact that UBW had for me. The final fight is a fistfight with Kirei and I'm all for shirtless men beating the poo poo out of each other; but I felt like the world's most insane pro lifer probably wasn't really the climactic villain I wanted to see go down. And yeah, I got no sense that Shirou was having a mental breakdown at all really. At least anything beyond the pain of becoming swords. Also you spend like 8 hours building Sakura as this crazy demigod and she just gets brutally owned with basically no effort by Rin.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 10:47 |
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Well, speaking as someone who read the VN I liked the conclusion there quite a lot, my favorite route, but this version just had less impact imo. That said I did feel like Kotomine made a better "final boss" for Shirou because of their clashing ideals and bizarre similarities, but that works better when the conflict is mostly internal rather than an actual animated fistfight.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 11:14 |
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If that's you felt watching the movie the movie didn't do it justice. Heavens feel isn't my favorite route but the kirei fight is by and by far the coolest fight in the series.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 11:17 |
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The entire franchise has yet to produce a moment as good as two effectively dead dudes just beating each other like sacks of meat.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 11:23 |
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It does build off well from the final fight of Zero.
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Nyaa posted:It does build off well from the final fight of Zero.
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Natural 20 posted:Also you spend like 8 hours building Sakura as this crazy demigod and she just gets brutally owned with basically no effort by Rin. I mean yeah? That's the entire arc of their siblings relationship. Rin shows up Sakura in everything they do from the very beginning. It's part of why Sakura is so bitter toward her. Rin had to cheat to achieve that anyway, she just had Shirou copy the jewel sword.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 16:11 |
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Do Kirei and Shirou have any more interaction with the Fate route? Based purely on ufotable stuff, it feels a little underwhelming. I guess it has more impact if you consider Zero, and how Kirei is technically responsible for Gil's shenanigans in UBW, but when you stretch all that stuff out over the course of ten years worth of anime it can be kinda easy for that particular thread to be lost. For me, in the pantheon of "two half dead assholes just thumping on each other until one or both dies" moments, the movie version doesn't rate particularly high
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 16:13 |
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Yeah. Fate is the route where he gets focus as the primary villain - UBW is more about Gilgamesh and HF has Zouken's crew.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 16:38 |
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Uh, Kirei might have been a primary antagonist in the Fate route, but as far as focus goes, it was basically "He is a villain because he is evil and a jerk, he is a jerk because he is evil and a villain and he is evil because he is a jerk and a villain, now that that's clear, go and kick his rear end". It took HF for him to finally receive the focus to explain why he is such evil jerk and why he will always inevitably become the villain Shiro has to defeat that formed the core of how his character is perceived. I didn't watch Spring Song yet, but judging from the last two movies and the reaction of non-VN readers who watched the movie, I guess that focus got completely cut.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 17:19 |
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Eh I think the film definitely gave Kotomine plenty of focus.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 17:32 |
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He had some focus but the only reason I really cared about him as an antagonist was because I'd seen Zero.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 17:43 |
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 17:49 |
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I know Zero is flawed but it gave me more context for that character.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 18:03 |
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His role in Fate is funny because after Heaven's Feel it feels almost more likely that he just threw the fight rather than actually lose to Shirou in that fashion.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 18:11 |
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zero doesn't tell you anything the vn or even hf3 don't
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 18:13 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah. Fate is the route where he gets focus as the primary villain - UBW is more about Gilgamesh and HF has Zouken's crew. Nah. Fate Kotomine has more focus than UBW Kotomine, but way less than HF Kotomine. If you translate the Fate router in movies like HF Kotomine would start to act halfway the third movie.
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# ? Apr 9, 2021 23:45 |
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The easiest way to think of the Routes is in terms of Kanye albums First Route is obviously Heartless, You can see where it's going, it ain't bad, but it feels underdeveloped UBW is My beautiful Dark twisted fantasy, the obvious Magnum Opus, Everything is built on to amazing results, you're going to be blown away Heaven's Feel is Watch the Throne It's not bad, but after the last route you're expecting more, there's real doldrums, but goddamn when it hits it hits I think that's the best way to describe Fate
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# ? Apr 11, 2021 02:55 |
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# ? Apr 11, 2021 03:36 |
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Gaius Marius posted:The easiest way to think of the Routes is in terms of Kanye albums No
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# ? Apr 11, 2021 03:44 |
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Gaius Marius posted:The easiest way to think of the Routes is in terms of Kanye albums
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# ? Apr 11, 2021 03:45 |
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When you really dig in it makes sense Like Tsukuhime is his Gradutation, still a sophomore effort but extremely underrated and forgotten today FGO is his Pablo unfocused, Misjudged, and Clout chasing. I'd call this NasuKanye's dark period. Hopefully his Tsukuhime remake will be as good as Jesus is King or KIDS SEE GHOST
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Gaius Marius posted:Hopefully his Tsukuhime remake will be as good as Jesus is King Absolutely not
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# ? Apr 11, 2021 03:51 |
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Gaius Marius posted:When you really dig in it makes sense No
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# ? Apr 11, 2021 03:56 |
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Yeah I had the same reaction after seeing Aruceid's redesign, I was hoping we would skip past Ye
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Gaius Marius posted:Yeah I had the same reaction after seeing Aruceid's redesign, I was hoping we would skip past Ye No
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Gaius Marius posted:The easiest way to think of the Routes is in terms of Kanye albums I don’t know anything about Kanye but this is hilarious. Good post.
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