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Namtab posted:whats a secondary. If its someone who watched fate zero first then im mad as h*ck It's a general term for someone who didn't read the source material for any adaption.
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Jul 15, 2015 22:39
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LORD OF BUTT posted:yeah that's probably a better question for /a/ or Beast's Lair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baMAPKPmtvk
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maybeflan posted:It's a general term for someone who didn't read the source material for any adaption. I didn't read the source material before I saw a review of Cool Cat Saves the Kids, does that make me a secondary
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maybeflan posted:It's a general term for someone who didn't read the source material for any adaption.
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Beef Chief posted:I didn't read the source material before I saw a review of Cool Cat Saves the Kids, does that make me a secondary Twiddy posted:What about the people who clearly didn't read it despite claiming they did? I brought this on myself.  Um, probably?
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Jul 15, 2015 23:18
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Twiddy posted:What about the people who clearly didn't read it despite claiming they did? We call them "Studio Deen".
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Jul 15, 2015 23:19
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How do you call someone who watched Carnival Phantasm first?
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Jul 15, 2015 23:24
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maybeflan posted:I brought this on myself. You did bring this upon yourself, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C67thOEtVNQ
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Jul 15, 2015 23:25
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Twiddy posted:What about the people who clearly didn't read it despite claiming they did? you call them journalists
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GhostStalker posted:That was Re-reads and Reviews, and his overall UBW review is what is linked there. Oh, awesome. I can't wait until this guy gets to Paradox Spiral.
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Jul 15, 2015 23:36
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LORD OF BUTT posted:yeah that's probably a better question for /a/ or Beast's Lair It's /jp/ you loving cretin.
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Jul 16, 2015 01:47
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Given how most anime are adaptations /a/ attracts all the "secondary" accusations. (To BL's credit I've never seen that term used unironically)
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Jul 16, 2015 03:30
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I'm a secondary, it's me
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Jul 16, 2015 20:40
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How is the Fate/zero anime?
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RatHat posted:How is the Fate/zero anime? Really good. Great self-contained story that leaves some threads hanging if you want to delve into the Fate franchise more. Pro tip: Don't start a conversation on whether it is better to watch F/Z before UBW or reading the VN. Just do whatever you want.
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Just keep in mind Fate/Zero is the prequel at the very least.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:48
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I'm in an argument with someone who is insisting that Shirou has some sort of Sorcery/True Magic. I don't even, it's demonstrably false.
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Shirou is a pretty special case, but not THAT special. There are what, 5 magicians that we know of? Five. In the whole Type-Moon universe. That's totes ridic, bro.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm in an argument with someone who is insisting that Shirou has some sort of Sorcery/True Magic. Reality Marbles are pretty close to True Magic. Close, but not quite there. I can see how someone would be confused.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm in an argument with someone who is insisting that Shirou has some sort of Sorcery/True Magic. Pretty much the only reason a connection between Shirou's reality marble and the 1st Magic comes up is because that would be one of the reasons Clocktower would want to seal him, hoping to learn more about True Magic through a study of his reality marble.
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Twiddy posted:I'm gonna guess where they're coming from. Unlimited Blade Works creates objects from nothing, so it could be said that he uses the first Magic "denial of nothingness." The problem with equating that to Shirou knowing True Magic is that you could then say that Fake Assassin knows the Second Magic because he can use Tsubame Gaeshi, which makes equally as little sense. I thought Kojiro did use the Second Magic, though... Does Shirou actually make projections out of nothing? The ability being called Gradation Air implies they're made of air. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Twiddy posted:I'm gonna guess where they're coming from. Unlimited Blade Works creates objects from nothing, so it could be said that he uses the first Magic "denial of nothingness." The problem with equating that to Shirou knowing True Magic is that you could then say that Fake Assassin knows the Second Magic because he can use Tsubame Gaeshi, which makes equally as little sense. The problem mainly seems to be that he's attributing it to a quote from Rin during the Fate route when she's complaining about his projections. Which are probably shocking to a magus like Rin but not directly True Magic. The poster seems to be claiming Rin said it was Sorcery but having recently played UBW this isn't true.
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Namtab posted:I am the bone of my sword For real? drat, dude. Respect.
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Kojirou is actually accessing an aspect of Kaleidoscope with TG, Nasu says he's be a Sorcerer if born in a mage family. UBW isn't actually the 1st because it does create the weapons with materials, which is part of why Shirou can't make Ea.
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Wait where did you get that first statement?
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Rin compares it to magic, but that doesn't mean all that much. Reality Marbles have always been ways of "cheating" by changing the laws of the universe.
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Rodyle posted:At least you didn't make the GATE thread. This is late like hell, but for some reason I looked at the GATE thread today. My condolences.
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    fanart is cool
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a kitten posted:
Hahahaha, holy poo poo. This needs to be a Carnival Phantasm skit, right now! After wedding party, and Shirou is obsessed that there are enough hordervous for the guests. Saber to Rin: So, you finally decided to tie the knot, eh? Rin: Ayup. I am currently rethinking that decision. All the while, the bottle never leaves Sakura's mouth.
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a kitten posted:
Is this just a trace of a Friends episode?
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Part of wielding true magic is gleaning some deeper understanding of the World. Someone might mistaken Shiro as using true magic since it's described that he gains power from the World in exchange for his soul after he dies. But all he gains is a battery to use his reality marble. Not any deeper understanding or new magic. Shiro's magic circuits suck too much to actually pull off UBW without extra fuel. To use his reality marble with any large amount of power Shiro either sells his soul, connects to Rin's not-lovely magic circuits, or disregards any safety and has it completely destroy his mind and body.
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Shinjobi posted:For real? drat, dude. Respect. Like father like son, I guess?  Kiritsugu's mystic code is p bonkers.
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Rodyle posted:Kojirou is actually accessing an aspect of Kaleidoscope with TG, Nasu says he's be a Sorcerer if born in a mage family. I suppose the best way to put it is that a true wielder of a type of Magic could use it in all of its aspects, not just a few. This definitely applies to Kojiro, and if you follow the interpretation that Shirou's reality marble is a type of first magic it would apply to him as well.
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quote:Time to project
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So how was Rin planning to summon any servant, let alone a Saber, with no catalyst? Also how do catalysts for purely mythological heroes even work?
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RatHat posted:So how was Rin planning to summon any servant, let alone a Saber, with no catalyst? Also how do catalysts for purely mythological heroes even work? If you summon with no catalyst at all, you get the Servant with the personality most similar to your own. Even if you do use one, you get the most personality-appropriate of all possible Servants associated with the catalyst.
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RatHat posted:So how was Rin planning to summon any servant, let alone a Saber, with no catalyst? Also how do catalysts for purely mythological heroes even work? You can summon a Servant without a catalyst, and you'll get a Servant that best matches your personality. Rin probably thought, "Saber is the best Servant, and I'm the best so  ".Catalysts work on a symbolic level. What you need is something that represents the hero or is associated with them. Hence Tokiomi using that old fossilized snakeskin as the "first snake to shed its skin" to summon Gilgamesh.
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