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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


BlitzBlast posted:

Wait are you honestly telling me you prefer the ending that is the game calling you on learning absolutely nothing from the entire story and staying a selfish rear end in a top hat to the very end?

I'm going to hope my irony detectors are just broken because otherwise uhhhhh.
Some people hate Sakura and also hate endings that are even remotely happy, possibly because Cindy never went to the dance with them in high school.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Lt. Lizard posted:

Ok, how many Saber clones are there in Nasu-verse by now? Five? And thats not even counting alternate versions of Saber like Dark Saber or Saber Lily.

This is getting pretty ridiculous.
Extra Saber and Mordred. That's it.

Jeanne doesn't look much like Saber. They're both blonde and in armor but they look pretty different outside of that.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Shielder and Saber look pretty much nothing alike beyond being drawn by the same dude. Like, I mean, they're girls in anime with different hair/outfits/eyes. That's like 90% of the defining features right there.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Fate/Extra is good and you can play as a girl and fall in love with rin, which is what my fanfiction has been about for ten years

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Mederlock posted:

I'm not into waifu's/rapey stuff, purely romance-based stuff, or blatant fan-service/fan pandering kinda stuff at all. I mean, it's pretty much impossible to avoid when it comes to anything VN related, but the less I have to deal with, the better. As a result I have absolutely zero interest in Carnival Phantasm
Canrival Phantasm isn't any of that. It's just jokes. Some of the jokes miss, most of them land.

The closest it gets to any of that is a dating sim based gag, and, well that is a bad joke, but it's being played for laughs and not an actual attempt at fanservice. It's not like it's a fanservice series, it's a comedy series.

Speaking of, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia is 90% comedy, dating sim stuff, and fanservice, and 10% actual plot.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Cake Attack posted:

well he might mean fanservice in the seldom used non titty sense, in which a crossover joke series does count
in that case he definitely shouldn't play f/ha

it's literally a game where everyone except Kotomine is alive because Reasons and they all get dumb gags like Shinji referencing Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei for five minutes because his VA was in that

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


F/HA has some interesting parts to it but it's, again, 90% silly scenes. You could make the argument that it fleshes out the characters some, and there are a few beats like Rider and Lancer telling stories about their pasts, but it's nothing you can't live without seeing and it's just their myths and legends through the type-moon veneer.

The 10% plot is fairly interesting and explains a few plot holes in F/SN, but it's pretty short - on its own it'd be 2-3 hours long, maybe - and requires playing through the 90% silly/goofy stuff.

Fate/Extra has its own plot and the characters are all pretty likable but a lot of it gets lost in weird metaphysics, and it's pretty definitively Not Fate/Stay Night, or Fate/Zero, for better or for worse. The gameplay isn't that great, either, it's just extended Rock-Paper-Scissors-Spock.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Ibram Gaunt posted:

the grail gameshow joke alone justifies carnival phantasm's existence
actually youll find that its the grail grand prix

also that scene where they play the ilya castle minigame from f/ha

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


It's in a similar boat to those games (from what I remember, anyway, I only played a bit of Ever17, unless 999 counts) but way less complex and involved than that. If you muddled through those, it should be smooth sailing.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Twiddy posted:

This is true, but it also has some hilariously bad game design decisions. Like about half the things they added to the game are textbook lessons on what to do in a game (Caster's 1/3rd of the time I lose I actually win what the christ).
To be fair, that might be part of the gag. It was pretty clearly being played for laughs, rather than a legit attempt at making an awesome Hanafuda simulator.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Hommando posted:

Friends don't let friends watch the DEEN adaption.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


You get to see the Archer vs Berserker fight. Archer uses Unlimited Blade Works and has a few dramatic lines during the fight that hint as his identity.

Incidentally, seeing the Archer vs Berserker fight is the only remotely worthwhile part of the DEEN anime.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Liam O'Brien doing the UBW chant is something I am glad to have seen.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


actually there is one more thing that makes the deen anime worthwhile a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCXmVhRb-6A

(please ignore the fact that it's a youtube poop and just focus on the 'we're pilin' up the wins' line)

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


actually the dub in general is probably the best part of the 2006 anime

it's a pretty good dub. most of the voices fit and everyone does okay with the material. we're pilin' up the wins.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Beef Waifu posted:

I'm mostly talking about the sound quality, it's just really stuffy as hell. The voice acting is good, but you sometimes couldn't tell because all of the voices sound bad in terms of actual sound quality.
yeah that's 2006 anime dubs for you

at least it isnt one of those dubs where everyone sounds like theyre in a wind tunnel

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Angry Grimace posted:

I consider Sparks Liner High
an ending where saber has completely lost all will to live and feels that there is no more good left in the world for either sakura or rin is a much happier ending than her just dying like a normal person

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


The problem is that the grail no longer exists by the end of any of the routes. Well, Waver and Rin have a bebopping adventure to destroy it after the Fate/UBW routes, but either way, there's no grail for her to fight for.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Was Assassin guarding the temple gate a command spell order? It's been a while.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


BlitzBlast posted:

Incidentally, poor True Assassin. The most forgotten servant.
Not even in most of the spinoff materials. At least Kojiro was in Fate/Unlimited Codes.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


also it's far and away the best of those designs, cleavage or no.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Nate RFB posted:

Beef Waifu when you do make a new UBW thread please re-use that thread title, it is too good to let go Unless you have some even better Chuck Lorre puns lined up.
beef waifu when you do make a new UBW thread please collaborate with zorak to ban every poster in it when the show ends

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Xoidanor posted:

There is a desperate need for a nasu-verse master chef parody to be made.
it's kind of surprising that this wasn't a gag in carnival phantasm, honestly

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


jellycat posted:

Right, nothing says modern like putting a slur in your program's name.
which part is a slur?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


jellycat posted:

The "retard" part.
Oh, didn't see that on the site.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


maybe UFOtable can do the world's first tsukihime anime after they're done with HF.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Raenir Salazar posted:

I already saw the UBW movie.
you're still in for a treat, the ubw movie butchered that finale

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


There's various gags about Mitsuzuri and Rider in Hollow Ataraxia. Some of them land, some of them are a little uncomfortable.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


UBW is a great adaptation, but there isn't much that's different from the VN.

Also there's nothing that really says Kara no Kyoukai can't be part of the main continuity, and there's even a few references to it in other things, like Shirou referencing Touko at one point.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


AlternateNu posted:

And Cornelius showing up in Kiritsugu's flashback in Fate/Zero. (Was that just an anime thing?)
It was just an anime thing, but it doesn't quite contradict the novels. If I remember right, the novels just mention a 'powerful magus using fire' without describing them or giving a name to them, so ufotable just put Corny in as a callback.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Yeah, part of the problem with KnK is that the cast is small and very few of them get any real focus. F/SN has a huge cast where everyone gets at least a bit of attention, even the minor students if you take F/HA into account, but KnK is basically the Ryougi show. Even Touko and Kokutou don't get a whole lot.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Blockhouse posted:

does assassin even appear again in UBW I've completely forgotten
assassin's big moment is at the end of UBW

which isnt saying much but

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


TheLovablePlutonis posted:

I want to make love to all Riders and Casters.
one of the riders is a personification of the bubonic plague

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


and by personification i mean he's just a mass of bugs, rats, and sick

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


also heaven's feel manga preview went up. the person behind it said that they like the matous a lot, so it'll probably dig more into the Zouken/Kariya/Shinji/Shinji's dad situation. Here's a picture of Shinji.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


AlternateNu posted:

Well, Kariya was practically insane by that point. Have you ever been talking to someone but were so tired that you couldn't get words out clearly and got frustrated on why the other person wasn't understanding you or was straight ignoring you?
i think that's called autism

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


calling kotomine and gil 'inhuman' is kinda funny considering kotomine's the one who drops this poo poo:


Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Kotomine sees himself as inhuman, but that doesn't mean he is.



Kotomine is a huge bundle of issues. It isn't that he doesn't give a gently caress, it's that he gives way too much of a gently caress. His thing with Angra Manyu isn't just idle curiosity, it's him trying out to figure out the meaning of his entire life. Shirou has a pretty telling response in his monologue, if you can forgive me for yet another VN screenshot.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Myurton posted:

I have a feeling they wouldn't be so reluctant if they found out what he's been doing to Sakura for years, and I'm not talking about the beatings. Sadly Realta Nua removed that part of their relationship, since I feel it helps explain a lot about Sakura's character.
On the other hand it does make the fact that Sakura forgives him at the end of UBW really hosed up.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009


Raenir Salazar posted:

Hrrm, it seems to me that there are times that having a cellphone would conceivably allow Shirou to be informed someone was kidnapped or attacked waaaay sooner.
nasu can just take writing tips from his buddy urobuchi

"Oh no, I don't have Tohsaka's number."
"Out of batteries!"
"The magic is interfering with the service."

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