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Dessel
Feb 21, 2011

Blhue posted:

Crossposted from the UBW thread:


She didn't really have a crush per se on him, but she was aware of him. Firstly there's the thing in HF where she talks about having witnessed him trying over and over again to do that high jump or whatever it was, and she had some interest in him as a person from that. Secondly, she was aware that he was quite close to Sakura and that him dying would make her sad.

Yeah, thanks and sorry for not posting it here originally. Yeah, I know those points, I'm dumb for not remembering. Somehow I place the high jump scene to be taking place earlier. (Well, chronologically it is, just not the part of remembering the scene, I suppose)

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Dessel
Feb 21, 2011

In the latest episode of Fate, did Shirou channel some serious Archer in the end in terms of body language? When he says "It wasn't a big deal", and puts his hand over to his hip.

Dessel
Feb 21, 2011

Perhaps it was my runner's high talking to my addled brain, but I - weirdly only now - thought that in UBW Gilgamesh is kind of the other side of the coin that is called insanity for Shirou. I mean, I remember (Not sure if from F/Z or the UBW part of the VN) Gilgamesh wants to cull mankind because it's too numerous and "people lack purpose". But I just viewed it as an independent goal that kind of follows his internal logic, if completely insane one. I also knew that Shirou was kind of broken with the "save all mentality" but it never kind of clicked as strong as in the anime where Shirou is shown with eyes screaming of crazy when Rin admonishes him for his motivations.

Shirou wants to save all, not only the ones close to him, while Gilgamesh essentially wants to doom all, not only those who stand in his way. Both seem absolutely crazy from Rin's point of view. I'd go as far to say Shirou was corrupted by Kiritsugu's ideal whereas Gilgamesh was corrupted by the grail/angra mayu/w/e but I remember discussion (in this very thread?) that nah, Gilgamesh wasn't affected by the sludge - And he doesn't seem any more sane in F/Z than he is in F/SN.

I don't know why this never struck me earlier, perhaps it's partly due to the fact I don't view Gilgamesh as a central antagonist or anything. Shirou just happens to be a mook that happens to stand in his way, Gilgamesh merely views Shirou beneath him. (Honestly I was about to just say Gilgamesh happens to be a GLORIOUS mook that happens to conflict with Shirou's world view).

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