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rvm
May 6, 2013


RN version, if it didn't suffer from typical VN pacing issues, I'd totally recommend to pretty much anyone. Like for instance the whole Sakura backstory loses its weirdness, somehow becoming more impacting in the process in spite of H-replacement scenes being absolutely hilarious (the first one especially is a riot, the second most "wat?" scene in the VN after Issei's stripsearch).

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rvm
May 6, 2013


HellCopter posted:

What are the replacement scenes in Heaven's Feel? I only know about the ones in Fate and UBW. And Heaven's Feel's H-scenes actually have some sort of warped purpose to them, character-wise (if I remember correctly).

Well, they did make sense and I wish they'd just cut to black or something, but basically she sucks Shirou's blood now. And the first scene (Shirou's wet dream), I don't know, I can't properly describe it, it needs to be seen.

rvm
May 6, 2013


Myurton posted:

Yeah but it fully explains why she is so screwed up. Also the scene where Shinji tries to rape her "again" and then ends up dead is one of my favorite scenes since I highly dislike that slimy bastard.

Actually, in RN version he beats her up. You probably played some kind of hybrid patch or something if attempted rape was left in.

rvm
May 6, 2013


While Fate isn't exactly great, it's still pretty enjoyable urban fantasy pulp even without taking into account what it's setting up. I was surprised how actually compelling it was (I was influenced by the usual drivel about Shirou's misogyny, wordiness, etc., etc.) when I read it about half a year ago (took me a couple of weeks).

rvm
May 6, 2013


I loved how in HF, when Tohsaka asked him if he can do something she can't, Shirou's first thought was about cooking.

rvm
May 6, 2013


I thought Sakura' s arc was pretty decent, all things considered. Maybe, it wasn't as compelling as some other stuff in HF, but she wasn't just a plot device to further develop Shirou and Rin as some people seem to think. Also, red interludes in HF are awesome and her VA did an amazing job in them (not sure if it's relevant, just throwing it out there).

rvm fucked around with this message at 21:45 on May 23, 2015

rvm
May 6, 2013


Saber Alter. Not sure why, but I find her to be one of the coolest characters ever. Design, voice acting, theme music, everything is just perfect.

rvm
May 6, 2013


Rodyle posted:

Considering Zero showed her being wormraped at 7 or whatever, I don't see them sticking with the non-sexualized version of Sakura's story for the anime.

The difference between original and RN Matou magic is that worms don't have the courtesy of giving female hosts orgasms, that's about it. Sakura's still tortured and experimented on for 11 years. (And battered by her stepbrother for 3 years).

The whole vampire thing was indeed stupid, though.

rvm
May 6, 2013


Speaking of KnK, watched the epilogue for the first time a few days ago and can't stop smiling when I remember it.

Never change, Nasu. Never change.

rvm
May 6, 2013


How do you call someone who watched Carnival Phantasm first?

rvm
May 6, 2013


The second movie would suuuuuuck, though. Unless it's literally mapo tofu scene stretched to an hour and a half.

rvm
May 6, 2013


klapman posted:

spiral paradox is still the best loving type-moon story, imo. just rewatched it last night, and I might watch it again tonight if I decide to lose my mind

I'd say Paradox Spiral is second best after baseball arc from DDD (Sinker vs. Slugger) which in my opinion is the best thing Nasu has written, dark urban fantasy at its finest, but if you can't read Japanese, Chinese or Russian, you're SOL, and it's probably never going to be animated :( Not to mention that you have to get through rather tedious previous arcs to fully appreciate it.

rvm
May 6, 2013


taser rates posted:

Did anyone ever translate DDD past the first part, or is that dead? I read the first few chapters on my own since I own the books, but it is stressing my jp pretty hard.

There was Russian to English translation effort on Beast's Lair which is pretty terrible and at best might serve as sort of a reference for you reading the original, but beyond that, nada. Thing is, DDD has nothing (so far anyway) to do with so called "Nasuverse" and that, I imagine, puts it pretty low on the list for potential translators. Shame, really.

rvm fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Aug 15, 2015

rvm
May 6, 2013


klapman posted:

If it got translated, i'd read it in a heartbeat. after a certain point slogging through a bunch of boring bullshit to read the cool part of a VN becomes really easy. im still not going to read clannad though.

Nah, it's not VN bad, it's Faust-style LN bad, i.e. pretty demanding (what's with achronological order and other narrative tricks), bleak, humorless and not terribly compelling. The first chapter (JtE) is translated and pretty representative of the first volume.

rvm fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 16, 2015

rvm
May 6, 2013


The problem is that if the story focused on Waver, he'd be either dead or screwed beyond recovery. As it is, he gets his neat little arc, and that's pretty much perfect.

Baal posted:

Write more stories on the adventures of Rin and Waver with Shiro as their packmule pls

Well, there's Lord El-Melloi II Case Files. Someone's even translating it.

rvm
May 6, 2013


TheLovablePlutonis posted:

He's not a particularly good writer but he's really drat good at worldbuilding so he's the Japanese Brian Herbert

I thought so, too, until I read Sinker vs. Slugger from DDD2. It's ironic that it's translated to Russian (and Chinese) before English. Dude really went full Dost in that one. Not that I compare him to Dostoevsky, of course, but, while it's pitch black, it's not Urobuchi brand of grimdarkness either. There's no rape involved for one. The first volume of DDD, while not as good, features grown up, jaded version of Tohsaka, it's great. Mahoyo, from what's available of it, is cute lighthearted shounen fun for all family. (Which, in my opinion, Tohsaka's route in FSN should have been, but that's neither here nor there).

The problem with Nasu is that people tend to judge the guy based on his 10+ years old output, and milking the Fate franchise to the last drop and then some isn't helping. The truth is, FSN just wasn't all the great, and in my totally scientific approximation 70% of its success can be attributed to Takeuchi, a perv struggling with human anatomy, who just happens to be a genius character designer.

rvm fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 16, 2016

rvm
May 6, 2013


Raenir Salazar posted:

I think Fate Route Gilgamesh is what's meant to establish that even antagonistic Heroic Spirits have something more to them that earns them the "Heroic" part of the title.

I think, it's the opposite: Gilgamesh is supposed to be sort of a blueprint for all heroic spirits, and he is Fate Route Gil.

rvm
May 6, 2013


Raenir Salazar posted:

Give us Tsukihime please.

But it doesn't print money unlike Fate.

rvm
May 6, 2013


100 degrees Calcium posted:

I get it, but he says it like 20 times to Saber. Like, maybe Shirou is actually way ahead of his time when it comes to gender politics, but he really doubles down on that poo poo even while all other prohibitive elements of his relationship with Saber get analyzed and resolved. Unless you really think that all people who exhibit bias do so extremely consistently and within the confines of rational expression, I'd think you'd have to acknowledge that this dude really couldn't let go of the fact that Saber is a girl and that is a reason he can't have her fight, even after he otherwise accepts the necessity of the Servant's role in their partnership.

There are several dimensions to this dumb "But you're a girl!" thing. First, it's kind of a meta-joke, because initially Saber wasn't supposed to be a girl at all. Second, Shirou's attitudes are supposed to be that of an old-fashioned Japanese gossiping housewife or something, for comedic effect. It didn't work too well, in my opinion. Third, and most important of all, the statement "You can't fight because you're a girl" is incomplete, to begin with. If we actually take Shirou's feelings for Saber, the difference of his attitude towards other female characters (already pointed out in this thread) and his survivor guilt into account, it would sound more like "You can't fight <in my stead>, because you're a girl <I love>."

rvm
May 6, 2013


https://streamable.com/dbd8v

rvm
May 6, 2013


Endorph posted:

imo basing your impressions of someone's abilities as a writer, like in a base wording/prose sense, based off a terrible fan translation isnt very smart

To be fair, Nasu had been a subject of ridicule for his prose in Japan up until Hollow Atraxia / DDD. And you can probably make out the difference even with fan translations.

rvm
May 6, 2013


Kyte posted:

Ridicule in what aspect exactly?

Basically, for his purple prose, pretentiousness, unnatural dialog, etc. F/HA and DDD improved on all these aspects.

Someone with decent knowledge of Japanese and familiarity with eroge circles can correct me if I'm wrong, since it is a second-hand information.

But even in my subjective experience, trying to re-read F/SN after F/HA was... rough. DDD is weird, because the first volume is basically self-indulgent wankery employing various story-telling techniques and narrative tricks which made translation inherently awkward. Like, it feels like the dude enjoyed writing it and didn't give a slightest of fucks whether anyone else would actually read it (other then Takeuchi, of course). I think, there was a narration in there with multiple layers of unreliability or something like that. I don't remember much of it, to be honest. The second volume is rock solid, however, and I wish ufotable animated Sinker vs. Slugger arc, it's by far the best thing Nasu has written, and it's very cinematic for the lack of a better word, but that'll probably never happen.

rvm fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Oct 11, 2018

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May 6, 2013


Cuntellectual posted:

unless they meant graphic depicitions of shinji raping sakura in which case, erm,

Still better than Shinji punching Sakura with Loony Tunes sound effects. WTF Realta Nua?

Seriously, though, I think they're just going to ditch vampire bullshit.

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rvm
May 6, 2013


If you want to read Nasu, Decoration Disorder Disconnection is your best bet. It's head and shoulders above what he he has written before and he promised to write the next volume after he's done with Tsukihime remake.

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