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I mean the animation was worse, being a peak 2000s budget anime, but the original fate was the best of the animated tv shows.
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There are also pretty massive parts of the VN that could be cut with no impact on the story. It doesn't have to be longer than War and Peace, probably at most as long as Atlas Shrugged.
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Oct 2, 2018 20:05
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No I mean the endless re-explaining of magic mechanics. The cooking must stay.
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Oct 2, 2018 20:09
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zero is best experienced in the form of screenshots cut together into comics, because whoever directed the anime had an unusually poor grasp of timing and cuts even for anime.
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Oct 6, 2018 04:16
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There being a reason for a bad character does not change that character's overall quality.
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Oct 6, 2018 06:21
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Like the wish grafter being an evil prick hasn't been a surprise since the literal story entitled Monkey's Paw. You generally want to have some point to the wish twisting or at least make the end results interesting in an of themselves. Just saying that the twist is internally consistent with a dumb magic system doesn't do either of those things. Ideally the way the wish it twisted tells you just as much about the wisher or the wish granter as the wish they attempted to make. Even the Wishmaster movies, shlocky as they were, made the whole point weaseling your way out of the genie killing you.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Have I been rused by a Terrible Opinions alt? Snooze Cruise posted:I have had several conversations where I talk about how frustrating Zero is because its just a constant parade of annoying dudes talking down to Saber and telling her how wrong she is, where the other person is like "Well, she is wrong though..." edit: also a lot of talk about repetition in the VN's writing seems to be couched in a belief that this is a problem of cultural differences. I really don't think it is. Japanese media outside of anime and VN's is more or less free of that sort of pointless repetition and Western fantasy/nerd fiction is similarly filled with it. The problem is being amateur nerd fiction without an editor, not some deep divide in cultural expectations of fiction. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Oct 11, 2018 10:48
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I'd be a lot more willing to accept that if Shirou didn't have so much difficulty refuting a whole bunch of really shallow whining. You'd she'd give him a tag out.
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Oct 11, 2018 11:25
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Well I hope it comes across that way once i get to that point in the VN, but the anime adaptation just made it a slog by deciding it had to be one of those huge skip the intro music level fights and blocking it as a fight rather than any more introspective struggle.
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Oct 11, 2018 11:36
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I mean it's perfectly acceptable to say you're turned off by something being misogynistic even if it isn't misogynistic 100% of the time. Just like it's perfectly acceptable to say you're turned off by the racism in how Conan stories characterize certain ethnicities even if those characterizations generally go away the later you get in Conan. It's not a personal attack on you for liking them nor is it meant to devalue those later parts.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:16
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Stairmaster posted:saber and mordred are trans icons
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Oct 12, 2018 21:01
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Yeah I was referring to Arthur being down to pound generally and thus accidentally incest version. I guess sexually active bisexual/lesbian girl Arthur was just a bit too wild or a ride. I can naturally understand avoiding the whole magical date rape version like happened in the Once and Future King.
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Oct 13, 2018 03:02
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and yet none of the bad ends are "well Shirou you didn't make a move, so I took ya girl"
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Oct 13, 2018 03:14
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T H White still has Morgause as the mother, you basically only get Morgan as Modred's mom in stories that consolidate the two completely into a single character. Which also sidesteps Gawain, Agravain, and co being Arthur's nephews.
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Oct 13, 2018 03:40
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Presumably she has normal hair rather than snakes out of cowardice.
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Oct 13, 2018 05:10
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Eh I'm just kvetching about one of my pet bugaboos; which is fiction that has the freedom to make its characters look however it likes settling on humans or things that look like humans in light makeup. Especially when the source material says they should look stranger. Fate isn't as bad as say Supernatural but it's still pretty bad about it.
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Oct 13, 2018 12:54
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It's all in how that is communicated to the audience and whether or not it's actually shown to be wrong, or just absent in the later part of the story. Though that main character that seems to have been a point of contention here was since been claimed to be an invention of the fan translator so this could all be moot.
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Ledgy posted:Yeah I was pretty sure while watching that her myth had to do with kids but even so, it's a bloody war, lady
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Oct 18, 2018 02:17
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Darth Walrus posted:No, it's directly from her myth. Her dad wanted a son, so when she was born he left her on a mountain to die and she got raised by animals. Jack is an amalgamation of thousands of kids exactly like her, and diving inside her world was basically someone unearthing Atalanta's biggest, darkest trauma-button and performing an Irish jig on it.
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Oct 18, 2018 05:25
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It's still pretty gross.
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Oct 19, 2018 04:03
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Space Flower posted:It's practically the mission statement of the Fate series to take killers from history/mythos and give them sympathetic angles. Why single out Jack in this regard? She's not even the biggest historic killer turned into a cute girl voiced by Cardcaptor Sakura.
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Oct 19, 2018 05:46
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Endorph posted:yeah ill never forget the scene in the show where everyone goes 'boy jack it sure was great when you murdered those hookers' and then everyone put her on their shoulders going 'jack! jack! jack!'
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Oct 19, 2018 07:40
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It's really the 'she's made from the souls of aborted/murdered children' thing. Like stupid character design aside what she does in the present is fine. But her backstory being "is Jack the Ripper" combined with the aborted children thing kinda turns a case of serial murders into a gross karmic punishment.
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Oct 19, 2018 07:54
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Endorph posted:Literally nothing in the text or subtext ever remotely implies murder is a good thing or that the people she killed in the past somehow deserved it, and in fact everyone except Atalante treats her as a horrible murder monster, which she is, and Atalante only treats her that way because of her own issues, and she's fundamentally incapable of understanding what she's doing as murder.
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Oct 20, 2018 00:29
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Hunt11 posted:So how would you have handled a character inspired by Jack the Ripper considering the impact they have had on cultural history and how little we actually know about it? Plutonis posted:Strange/Fake Jack
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Oct 20, 2018 00:46
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Endorph posted:so, uh, no. No. The thing you're saying is factually untrue.
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Oct 20, 2018 03:02
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Do you actually interact with Fate stuff past skimming a wiki or something dude. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 20, 2018 04:48
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I think it's pretty simple. The author wanted to include a design like that, and stumbled into unfortunate character implications because they were wanting to justify the slutty child design without considering anything else.
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Oct 20, 2018 05:06
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The design sucks rear end and no one thinks it's good. but it's pretty pathetic how you transparently pivoted to this after you showed you didn't know what you were talking about at all regarding the other stuff.
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Oct 20, 2018 05:16
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Endorph posted:yeah its pretty pointless to have a conversation if
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Oct 20, 2018 05:49
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The last three episodes were released separately as a pseudo second season as appears to be the fashion of modern anime.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:56
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PupsOfWar posted:woke: currently rewatching the shirou cooking anime again for purposes of theorycrafting how it fits into canon
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being best boy probably helps
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Apocron posted:Is any of the TV stuff after Fate/Zero worth watching?
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Given experiences with kids and parents at SAW movies it's honestly a 50/50 on whether it's a parent fan or a child fan.
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dogsicle posted:movies shouldn't even be 2 hours
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Caliburn being the sword in the stone and Excalibur being the sword from the Lady of the Lady definitely predates Fate. It's present in old D&D books and given Gygax's tendency to take his stuff from pop fiction of the day I'm guessing it predates those as well. Might be something from Once and Future King?
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PupsOfWar posted:mallory was history's first Canon Pedant - nobody else would have found it necessary to do this. "Further, if it be said that what was changed into seed was not that which belong to the truth of human nature in the flesh of the men eaten, but something not belonging to the truth of human nature—on the contrary: Let us suppose that some one is fed entirely on embryos in which seemingly there is nothing but what belongs to the truth of human nature since whatever is in them is derived from the parents."
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:assuming I'm not misremembering, yeah, UBW touches very briefly on Shinji being awful to her but it's mostly for the sake of setting Shinji up as a bigger piece of poo poo than previously assumed (Fate makes him look like a dick but not the total loving monster he is in UBW/HF). none of the Zouken stuff is touched on at all and i don't think he even gets mentioned by name until HF. In Fate he's an attempted school shooter equivalent and completely acknowledged domestic abuser. Him also being rapist is completely unsurprising and very consistent with everything that came before. The real baffling thing is that Shirou doesn't immediately take wizard bloodsports as an excuse to murder Shinji upon hearing he's in the war.
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A good boy doesn't think "I better not piss off Shinji otherwise he'll go back home and beat his sister". Even if murder is off the table, surely inviting Sakura to stay at either of the two, and later three, available houses without abusive dickbags in them wouldn't be. Given that the people someone is harming should always have higher priority than the abuser.
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