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Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

HellCopter posted:

It was mentioned in the main UBW thread, but they're adding a lot of new scenes will Illya. I guess she's more popular because of Prism Illya? It's too bad that UBW is the route where she bites it, though. iirc, Saber doesn't get a ton of closure either. UBW really is Shirou's show.

I believe I saw a mention that they were going to be expanding on a character who didn't get a lot of time in the original UBW route in episode 4, I guess that was Ilya, since she had the new original scene.

My guess is that beside from simply wanting to add more stuff for her since she doesn't have a lot of time in this route, there's also them wanting to piggyback off of Prilya, as well as provide a certain amount of continuation from Zero, since she's one of the few links to it.

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Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




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Fangz posted:

Maybe you are on hard difficulty, or something? I had no trouble at all. The trick is to get one of the Real-type characters (the girl OC is a good example) with that skill that boosts aim/evade, and the skill that boosts damage built up as high as possible. Then just walk her forwards. Because she has the lowest HP, the AI will target her - even though they have a 0% chance to hit. Then she'll just counterattack and oneshot everything.

Its been a while since I played it, but I remember this being one of the funner tactics to use. (Tohno) Shiki and the real type MC were both good at it, and Bazette was basically built straight up for it from the start with Fragarach. A high movement group of reals moving ahead to wipe everything out with counters followed by a square of long range characters (Akiha, Rin, Archer, and Sakura, I think?) cleaning up with support attacks was how I usually played it.

I personally really liked Battle Moon Wars. For all the dumb original characters and badly hashed plot points, there were others that worked pretty good, and the combat was good enough that it was the first SRW game that got me to stick around for multiple playthroughs.

If I had one big bone to pick with it, it would probably be that most of the enemies never seem to bother to actually move forward towards you, instead just hanging back at their starting locations. It made the difficulty feel neutered, made the skill points harder to get (and a couple stages were really hard), and generally made the game feel slower.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

lizurcainnon posted:

from google translate's attempt at Rider's twitter feed, I suspect she's watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes

She was indeed. Their april fools thing for this year has just wrapped up. They had two gimmicks with an idol agency run by Extra Saber and some sort of Youkai Watch capusle gacha parody thing, plus some other accounts not affiliated with either.

Some highlights:

-The aforementioned Rider spending all day watching Legend of Galactic Heroes and Tweeting about it.
-Mordred buying an ero-doujin of her father and freaking out. Also getting a wooden sword as a souvenir for Lancelot along with a note that "It can't shoot beams"
-Spartacus working as an Idol scout and constantly getting arrested.
-With Shirou out, Saber making a bowl of Yakisoba with Spam and Mayonnaise for lunch.
-Shirou and Kotomine are Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth for some reason.
-Tohsaka getting arrested for tax evasion

And a bunch of other stuff.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Twiddy posted:

Her magic is literally entirely based on precious gems, hell yeah she cares about money.

I can't remember where I read it, but I remember hearing somewhere that in between Zero and Stay Night, Kotomine embezzled most of the Tohsaka inheritance (since he was guardian of Rin at the time), resulting in Rin's being even more exceptionally sensitive to the financial side of her magic.

MonsieurChoc posted:

I don't know why, but I was under the impression Illya was the one who created Seylla and Leysritt.

I don't remember the details of their creation, but I remember from HA that Liz is linked to some extent with Ilya, and transforms into the "Dress from Heaven" that Ilya wears to use the third magic at the end of HF. I don't recall if there's anything similarly special about Sella, though. Aside from her dislike of Shirou.

EDIT: oops there was another page to this thread

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

So if in the end of Fate route Saber gets Avalon back, and then time travels back to post-Camlann with Avalon along with her, why didn't it then heal her wounds and save her life?

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Wili posted:

The wounds were inflicted by Mordred, whose sword probably has some fancy anti-healing or anti-Arthur powers.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Clarent

None we know of so far, at least.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I want for them to release an "EMIYA Lily" that's just a very confused Shirou with terrible godawful stats.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I'm actually okay with there being different versions of Arturia, but wish they'd never started making non-Arturia saberfaces like Nero, Okita, and Heroine X. It's just lazy and confusing.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Kyte posted:

Oh god the grinding. The beating your head against RNG bullshit compounded upon RNG bullshit compounded upon RNG bullshit. Sometimes there's exactly one way to win, and all the RNGs must be favorable for that to happen.
And then you must do it again 5-7 more times.

Although those are usually summer events. The rest aren't that bad.

Not counting farming for drops, though. Those who do that are hosed in the head.

I'd say Kan Colle's construction system is easier than most gachas, at least. It is criminally grindy, though.

Word is this summer they're introducing a US ship.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Compendium posted:

Some updates on KnK event, no EN translation yet, but yeah, lots of new things.

http://news.fate-go.jp/2016/ybsjjo/

I hate this game I want all the KnK CEs

Starts on the 25th, ends on March 9th. Need to have cleared Fuyuki to participate.

Clear missions of collecting certain amounts of items or killing certain types of enemies to get rewards and unlock new missions. Get limited edition CEs to increase the appearance rate of necessary enemies and drops. Clear all missions, get Ryougi Shiki, 4 star assassin.

Total of 10 new limited CE's, I think? Looks like by leveling some to max you can further increase enemy spawn rates.


Ryougi Shiki, 4 star assassin
Max ATK 8867 HP 11055
Didn't realize it, but it seems she herself became an urban legend.

I think she may need special event drops for her ascensions?


Also available separately from the event gacha:


Ryougi Shiki, 5 star saber
Max ATK 10721 HP 15453
NP Mukushiki - Kara no Kyoukai
Powerful attack against all enemies that ignores defense.
Chance of instant death. (increases with charge)
Removes debuffs on all allies.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

So to keep Assassin Shiki after the event all I have to do is clear room 504, right? Because I really don't think I'm gonna be able to finish all the quests.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

1783 seems kind of early to be setting something in the old west, that's pre-Louisiana Purchase.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Rodyle posted:

maybe it's the REAL old west, and it'll deal with the various distinctions, but subtle and sweeping, between the various native tribes and confederations

The trailer does have "Indian" servants in it. :v:

Watching a slo-mo version of it someone put together and there are a couple things I didn't notice before.

Diarmuid is using swords instead of lances, for one. Also what I thought was a new female servant with long blond hair fighting Scathach was just Finn.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer



Florence Nightingale, Berserker.

Other revealed servants are Helena Blavatsky, Rama, Geronimo, and Billy the Kid.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Girl with the book funnels and Edison have the most ridiculous NPs.

Why does edison have a lion head and a superhero outfit anyway

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Mordred's little helmet face is the best thing

I kinda want an option to keep these graphics

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer



Mashu's name is actually Matthew? Everything I know is a lie.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Aumanor posted:

So there isn't much info on the current event on either Cirnopedia or the FGO wiki, could anyone who understands moonrunes give the rest of us a short rundown?

This twitter account gives info in English as it comes out.

Looks like a do quests to get items sort of event, with different classes giving more of certain items, and new CEs that also give item bonuses.

One new servant mentioned, Jeanne Alter, but she's just through the limited time gacha.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff52-g00L-Y

I peed a little bit.

Bakanogami fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Apr 20, 2016

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

-Troika- posted:

Someone using a modern combat knife, whoever it is.

Going to completely baselessly guess Assassin EMIYA.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Wuxi posted:

So what is Assassin Emiya anyway? Shirou with Kiritsugu's magic crest?

General theory I've seen is that it'll be an alternate timeline EMIYA that fully embraced Kiritsugu's methods in addition to his ideals (and possibly receiving more actual training than Shirou did). The crazier guess is some version of Kiritsugu himself. Either way, if they have knowledge of the end of the fourth war, it would 100% explain them going after Irisviel. They know how dangerous the grail is and that it must be destroyed, no matter the cost.

Orrrr...it could just be same character summoned as a different class, like with Cu Lancer and Cu Caster.

Either way, the matchups here, with EMIYA in the 4th war, Iskander and Darius fighting, Old Waver and Kayneth, and Mashu/Lancelot are all stuff that fill me with fanboy glee. I'm just disappointed this is a temporary event for a cell phone game and not a longer, fuller scenario.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I've long given up hope for a Taiga VN route, but it wouldn't entirely surprise me if someday they add a Taiga servant to FGO.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Dreggon posted:

it turns out unlike the firefox i'm using right now, chrome has an addon that gets around stupid regional bullshit on crunchyroll so i am using that

except it's dubbed is there a way to get subtitles

also are the other fate animes any good, i would like to see the one where the kung fu teacher beats up king arthur because kung fu teacher is my favourite character

Setting aside Carnival Phantasm, there's Fate Zero, Unlimited Blade Works, and shortly there will be a few movies of Heaven's Feel, all by a studio called Ufotable. They&re all pretty good. Unlimited Blade Works is probably the one you want. Kung fu Teacher fights King Arthur once or twice in it.

There's also the first anime that's just Fate Stay Night by Studio Deen, and a movie version they did of Unlimited Blade Works. Some people like them but they kinda suck. Make sure you watch the TV Unlimited Blade Works and not the Movie one.

There's also several seasons of Prisma Ilya, about Ilya being a magical girl in an alternate dimension. About 5 percent is pretty awesome fights, and the other 95% will get the FBI called on you.

There are a few more little side specials and things like Zero Cafe or whatever but they don't really count.

tldr watch the ufotable stuff. Fate Zero and Unlimited Blade Works (TV). Maybe watch a youtube video of the fight scenes from Prisma Ilya so you don't have to sit throught he rest of it.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

https://web-ace.jp/youngaceup/contents/1000010/episode/

I appreciate that someone seems to have gotten a manga published roughly titled "Dinner at Emiya's", that's just a collection of Shirou cooking for people. It even includes the recipes!

No idea if it's translated anywhere, though.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I was perfectly fine with them making Arturia variants like Saber Lily, Saber Alter, etc. But Red Saber/Nero was where they started on the theme of "People who look just like Arturia Saber but are completely different unrelated people" that they continued with Okita and Mysterious Heroine X. And that's honestly where I kinda felt the series started to jump the shark a bit.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Baal posted:

I wouldn't say jumping the shark. but it is lame as hell. Tbf though, Mysterious Heroine X is still Artoria.

Um excuse me they are clearly completely different people

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

drat, I dragged my feet starting this event and looking at the mission list I don't think I'm going to have the time to get close to finishing it.

gently caress these Japanese cell phone games with their limited time events.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

cheetah7071 posted:

I like how there's all this justification in F/SN for why king arthur was a girl and it actually makes sense even if it's kinda dumb but then at some point (Extra? earlier than that?) they just decided genderswapped servants was a thing that happens and stopped caring about why

Extra, and more specifically Nero was the precise point this franchise jumped the shark for me.

Not only is she another gender swapped saber king, she has the same face as Arturia for no reason and on top of it all has a completely ridiculous outfit with a see-through skirt.

I like Extra and all that comes after in it's own way, but it's a different beast to SN and HA.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Haven't played CCC yet, but from all I've read about it I feel like I'd like Melt and Lip's characters if I never actually saw them. Their visual designs are dumb.

Kiara I think is an interesting and effective villain, though, and her visual design is a lot less dumb. Wish I'd gotten her in FGO.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Trihugger posted:

What bothered me more was the stuff with Saber. It felt like they were trying to set up multiple inner-conflicts with the character that never went anywhere and then F/Z ends. The whole drinking party between kings leads to nothing for her. Saber serves more as a centerpiece for philosophical debate between Gil and Iskander, but she has no story arc for herself. At best, a very disjointed one.

Really? I always thought Saber's development was one of the stronger points of Zero, especially considering the limitations of having to relatively match what we knew from Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia.

By the time of FSN, Saber is basically a depressed mess. Her country has fallen apart and many of her knights have betrayed her. Zero is the answer to the question of why she doesn't want to use the grail to fix everything, but rather to run away, to turn back the clock and make it so that she never became king. It's pretty a pretty bit of intense self loathing that she believes that her doing anything else to try and save her country would be hopeless. She's essentially broken.

Zero posits that she wasn't broken at Camlann, that she was still the embodiment of her ideals, still working to save Britain, but that it was the events of Zero that broke her.

And if anything, her meeting with Iskander and his challenge to her notion of a king, his rejection of her ideal, that really sealed the deal. Much of what she went through- Caster's macabre deeds and Kiritsugu's trampling over the very idea of chivalry, for instance- is repugnant to her, but what really shakes her to the core is the self doubt planted in her by the meeting of Kings, which come to fruition in her battle with Lancelot.

She thought she was doing everything she could to save her country, and that Iskander was a conquering tyrant who didn't care that his empire didn't last beyond his death. And yet Iskander held such sway over his men that they followed him even in death, while Saber's trusted knights were proven to hate her so much that they were driven to madness.

IIRC Fate Zero has even been described by Urobuchi and Nasu as just being 200 pages of Saber bullying, which is absolutely true, but I think it still adds another layer of development to her character and nicely sets up where she was mentally at the start of FSN.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Hommando posted:

I don't think any of them hated her. Lancelot was driven to madness because when he was confronted about his betrayal, Saber just kind of shrugged it off and refused to admonish him.

Yeah, none of them did. With Apocrypha and FGO we now know that even Mordred was just a huge Tsundere who wanted to be acknowledged.

But Saber didn't know that. She basically cheered on Lancelot and Guinevere, figuring she couldn't exactly be a good husband. We the reader were treated to a passage on how that clashed with Lancelot's chivalry and he wanted to be punished for his betrayal, but Saber didn't. She just knew that one of her knights showed up in the Holy Grail war completely insane and who went out of his way to try and kill her every time they met.

Trihugger posted:

Maybe I misunderstood her character starting point. I admit that I didn't watch the first 3 or 4 episodes of Fate/Zero. I actually walked in on my sister watching it midway through the first season and just hung around and watched the rest of it with her. I thought Saber started out wanting to kill herself so to me, it felt like her arc never went anywhere. If her initial wish in F/Z was to save Britain rather than erase her reign than it's not as meandering as I thought.

It's been a little while since I last watched or read F/Z but it's at the start of the King's Banquet when they're debating what they would do with the grail. IIRC Saber says that she would use it to go back and live her life again to do things right and save her country, contrasting with Rider, who's proud of his life, even if he died young and his empire collapsed, and finds the idea of redoing it insulting.

This sounds similar but is different to her wish in FSN, where she wants to go back and live her life again and not pull the sword from the stone, believing that she was such a huge fuckup that someone else would be better for her country than she would, even if she had the assistance of the grail. At the start of Zero she's still living towards her ideal, trying to be a good king by self sacrificing for the nation, being a good chivalrous knight. By the end her ideals have all been dragged through the mud and she despairs and decides that it would be best if she had never become king in the first place.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I was very lukewarm on FGO for a long while. Orleans and Rome just didn't click for me at all.

What eventually got me properly interested in it was the Fate/Zero event. Going back in time with adult Waver to fix all the problems in the fourth war was almost everything I could have asked for. I do kinda wish they'd brought another servant that would have some interesting reactions, but I guess they wanted to keep in focused on Waver and the new servants.

Now that I'm finally getting around to play through the second half of the story it's actually pretty good! Almost like a real Type-moon VN, only where you get interrupted by werewolves or something every five minutes.

Captain Baal posted:

I also don't care for some of the servants here tbh. Penthesilea was cool and so was Columbus, but Wu Zetian is a bit whatever to me and Scheherazade is very whatever outside of her design.

Yeah, that was kind of my feeling too. I'm debating whether or not to bother throwing some quartz at the pickup gacha because I'd like the new Berserker or Columbus, but I know if I do I'll just get one of the others and they'll sit in my box at level 1 forever.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

W.T. Fits posted:

... Someone at Type-Moon really does not understand the concept of "good" as it pertains to alignments. At all. :psyduck:

Fun fact, Mordred is Chaotic Neutral in her normal Saber form but when she puts on a swimsuit she becomes Chaotic Good because surfing is good, actually.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I do appreciate how they've been making more efforts in FGO and such to think of ways Berserkers can be crazy other than copying the "mindless roaring" schtick Hercules had in FSN. Characters like Nightingale or Spartacus are more interesting.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Pierson posted:

I'm not sure if it's confirmation bias but I can almost feel the animations getting better as I leave Orleans. Lotta shared movesets in these early/cheap servants.

IIRC back when the game first shipped almost everybody used the same basic bunch of movesets. Most servants they've added since have been upgraded, and they keep going back through the first batch and reworking them a few at a time.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Nate RFB posted:

I miss when it was bouncing back and forth between various universes that only had tangential connections, so those cameos and connections would seem special and neat. Things like Touko building Shirou's body in FSN, and of course Aoko in Tsukihime. Going all in on Fate for the past 10 years (and in a way that has never matched the quality of the story beats and character arcs in the original VN) has been a bit disappointing.

I feel the same way. They kinda sat on one cash cow as soon as they found it, and it's only getting worse with FGO.

I also kind of hate the direction they've started to take where every property is supposed to be in a different parallel world. So Stay Night is supposed to be in a different world from Extra, which is a different world from FGO, which is a different world from Prisma, which is a different world from Apocrypha, etc.

Like, I get that parallel worlds are canon with Zelretch and all, but it seems like lazy writing doing that instead of fitting everything into one shared universe that can more directly reference itself. It seems like they're only doing it so they can ignore the technobabble they've written before and write new contradictory stuff. It doesn't really make it that much more accessible for new fans, and it would be more interesting to older fans to have more open references instead of everything being an all new elseworld.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I wanna see the conflict they've mentioned happening 10 years after the Fate or UBW routes where Waver and Tohsaka team to disassemble the greater grail in a conflict that's supposedly "of the same magnitude as the holy grail war".

Also maybe while they're at it they could mention one of the things they cut from the Zero anime that was in the books- Kiritsugu altering the Ley Line to cause an earthquake several decades later and destroy the great grail that way.

I also want them to do a Zero-style prequel of the third war, with the servants that were hinted at in HA, and the chaos of doing the war in the middle of WWII.

Also I kinda want something where Zelretch has more than a cameo appearance.

Also I want a Taiga route.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Endorph posted:

i didnt say its an accurate depiction of berserker just that its kind of a cool bit that is more memorable to me than berserker break dancing in a graveyard. and i dont think ufotable is incapable of good fights. i like the berserker vs gil fight in ubw tv.

edit: also the deen/stay night anime, regardless of what you think of it, introduced a ton of recurring things that are still being referenced today. like half of archer's fighting style, some elements of arturia's backstory and the visuals of that general part of the setting, tons of things in terms of repeated abilities, like Gate of Babylon or Excalibur - the way those scenes are cut and paced is referenced heavily in just about everything Fate from that point onwards, from games to later adaptations. A lot of that is basic surface level stuff but it still did a lot to flesh out a visual novel with a pretty barebones presentation.

Deen Gate of Babylon is honestly one of the biggest sins of the show. Half the time it's just random yellow lasers shooting in random directions.

I'll give it points for Archer vs Berserker, but that's about it.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

W.T. Fits posted:

Actually, now that I think about it, would Perseus even respond to a summons for the HGW? Since the dude got his happily ever after, is there even anything he'd want to wish for? Or would he just be like, "Nah thanks fam, I'm cool just chillin' out here in the Throne of Heroes"?

Also, a friend of mine said he would've gone for Jason, since presumably his Noble Phantasm would be the Fate equivalent of Knights of the Round - just summon all the Argonauts to show up and beat the poo poo out of whoever you're fighting. :v:

Most servants don't really get a choice. Arturia in FSN was kind of an oddball in that she was specifically under contract with the world to seek the grail. There are plenty of servants who have little to no interest in the grail itself.

There are numerous things that can qualify someone from becoming a servant under normal conditions: anti-heroes weren't normally supposed to be summonable, divine spirits aren't summonable without some sort of trick, and there are a few figures who can't be summoned because they live immortally in some sort of sealed dimension. If they never die, they never go to the throne of heroes.

However, all of these restrictions get flaunted pretty much constantly. Fuyuki had anti-heroes because of Angra Mainyu, and by Extra Nasu seemed to just forget. Divine Spirits get summoned in FGO by tricks like Artemis latching on to Orion's summoning, or Ishtar becoming a Pseudo-servant, and there are plenty of Demigods like Herc and Gil who don't count. And still-living servants like Scathach and Merlin either die or make themselves summonable somehow for FGO.

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Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




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YggdrasilTM posted:

By the way this is also the reason why the Grail chooses Shirou or Ryonosuke. They are the last availabe magi around the city,

My personal pet theory has always been that Shirou and Ryunosuke were related. We don't know anything about Shirou's family before he was adopted by Kiritsugu, but he does have some magical circuits, and isn't that in and of itself supposed to be rare? It would fit in with being from a fallen mage family like Ryunosuke is implied to be, having an old book on summoning in their storeroom and all.

Plus, they both have red hair, and that's how anime genes work.

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