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Repeat after me, everyone: Réalta Nua is canon, Réalta Nua is canon, Réalta Nua is canon. Learn it, breathe it, live it, and just loving deal with it already.Silver2195 posted:What made Zorak change his mind about allowing this thread?
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Budget Cop posted:i'm eagerly awaiting the tsukihime remake which will probably end up spawning a (good) anime adaptation. it's been like 6 years since they announced it though? wonder why it's taking so long
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Oct 12, 2014 00:34
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Wark Say posted:
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Oct 12, 2014 02:07
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BlitzBlast posted:Though I guess even that's better than what happened to Ciel. 
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Oct 12, 2014 03:53
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Found this while digging for that pic too; contains spoilers for pretty much everything, and may be kind of out of date at this point (no Mahoyo), but if you ever felt your life was incomplete without a character chart for the Nasuverse then I have you covered:
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Oct 12, 2014 04:21
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Gotta keep it around for the duration of the Heaven's Feel movie(s)! Anyway it's not like the Fate/Zero thread imploded despite basically serving as a general purpose T-M thread for several years after the last Zero episode aired.
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Oct 12, 2014 16:56
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I like his interactions with Aoko but yeah he doesn't really have much going for him otherwise. Not even Carnival Phantasm could make him amusing.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:00
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That's not really saying much, Saber by pretty much any account is both the least important "main" character in FSN and the least interesting. The curse of the franchise is that despite this she's so popular.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:31
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Rodyle posted:You always mix up Sakura and Saber Nate. Scrree posted:She and Archer are basically the same character (a martyr who has succumb to despair and enters the Holy Grail War in order to change the past) so I don't really understand when people say she isn't thematically relevant to the story. Compendium posted:I think the best part about Saber is when she becomes a huge foodie. I laughed at the part where Shirou asked her about what food was like back in her era and she's just filled with so much hate at the thought of it.
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Oct 12, 2014 19:25
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Rodyle posted:She was actually like, 6th or 7th in the female character poll somehow. She beat Kohaku. She beat Kohaku. As for Heaven's Feel, the start of it is actually really interesting because things go off the rails pretty quickly and you keep going "Wait, what?". It's the middle where Shirou and Rin are just sort of dicking around the town where things grind to a halt. Followed up by of course the bloodbath of the final two days. I love UBW but its greatest strength is how consistently good it is top-to-bottom; it doesn't quiiiiite have the closure or even the fights needed to wrap up the whole thing. Heaven's Feel was able to provide just that. E: vvv  
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Oct 12, 2014 20:29
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Rodyle posted:I'm real scared they'll take the easy way out and make Archer vs Shirou and Gil vs Shirou into swordfights. I want to believe in UFOtable but so much of FSN is inner monologue, mostly form Shirou but also from other characters in the various interludes, including flashbacks from characters like Berserker and Caster. It's the sort of stuff where if you try to show the scene from outside the character's head with none of that narration it won't play correctly, and a lot of those inner monologues got cut in Zero's anime. quote:They're by far the most believable couple of the three main pairings.
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Oct 12, 2014 23:42
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Scrree posted:Saber and Archer are essentially two sides of the same coin - Saber feels she failed her ideal while Archer feels failed by his ideal - and the fact that Shirou provides the same answer for both of them "I am (You were) not wrong." makes that obvious.
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Oct 13, 2014 03:19
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The only downside to the final battle in Heaven's Feel is that it makes the one in Fate just seem laughable in retrospect.
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Oct 14, 2014 02:43
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SALT CURES HAM posted:You also have to keep in mind that the final battle in Fate is a third of the way through the VN. It's the climax of the route, whereas the HF one is the climax of the entire VN.
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Oct 14, 2014 03:33
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Xyven posted:The main problem I have with Sakura, and HF in general, is that it just feels like a completely different story than the first two routes. I like the story that HF tells, but it just feels so disconnected from the rest of the VN.
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Oct 14, 2014 13:22
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Compendium posted:For real TM crossover shenanigans, don't forget the All Around Type-Moon manga!  
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Oct 14, 2014 15:23
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Ytlaya posted:During that one scene where Sakura is telling her about all the terrible stuff she went through Rin was just sort of like "eh sorry but I just don't care, my life wasn't perfect either" so I'm not so sure about that.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:08
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I wonder how much of that will survive in the Tsukihime remake, even if it was just background information. Specifically the Tohnos were demon/human hybrids that had a tendency to go insane. Also Makihisa only adopted protag-Shiki (after murdering his whole family/village) because he thought it was funny that he had the same name as his own son. Swell guy.
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Oct 16, 2014 13:23
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You need 7 servants' worth of energy to reach the root, which only the founding families of the war (Tohsaka, Matou, Einzbern) know about; all other participants are just in it for the wishes or prestige. For that, yes you need one spare Command Spell to force them to kill themselves. However no one else IIRC knows of this aspect of the ritual, and just want the wish giving capability. For that the grail only needs a bare minimum of 5 servants (see: the end of Fate/Zero) though 6 would be more ideal if it's a bigger wish. By the time of the 5th war however it seems like only Illya, having been sent directly from the Einzberns, is still ostensibly working towards reaching Akasha though she doesn't personally care for it herself. Zouken completely forgot about it until the very end of Heaven's Feel.
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Oct 16, 2014 14:26
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Sylphid posted:Was Ilya ever really motivated to win the war? If she knew the true nature of the Grail and how the war is supposed to end, there's no way she'd be too enthusiastic about the war coming to the end. My guess is she's more interested in punishing Shirou in any number of horrible ways than killing off Servants. I believe for the Einzberns reaching the root was more of a technicality; the very process of doing so would allow them to recover the Third Magic.
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Oct 16, 2014 14:56
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There was a scene in Zero where Zouken made Kariya add some sort of incantation to his summoning to ensure that he got a Berserker. So they have some control over it, provided of course that the classes are available in the first place.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:04
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KoB posted:Why is Archer so good? Tohsaka seemed glad he got archer/Gil too. But then I thought Saber was the "strongest" class?
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Oct 16, 2014 20:27
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"At the end of a miracle" is also by far the saddest scene in the game. You had to go through hell to get that ending; it was deserved  This is also why I strongly recommend using a projection in the fight against Saber Alter, so that you get the Normal ending out of the way sooner (w/o the Kotomine battle) and have an even better build up for Return to the Spring.
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Oct 17, 2014 13:39
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There's the stuff with the puppet, but before that Shirou was given some sort of new body by Illya's incomplete Third Magic to prevent him from dying in the first place. Basically she took his soul and constructed new flesh for it, but being incomplete it was just some sort of lump of "something" that Rider could rescue later after it was all over. By sticking that into the puppet the two in conjunction effectively replicate his original form.
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Oct 17, 2014 19:25
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Angry Grimace posted:Whether it makes sense or not, Illya using legitimate divine sorcery to make Shirou alive and resolve the plot is still a deus ex. So what exactly was Shirou.....doing before this puppet thing occurred? What was he? As for what Shirou was doing, well not much beyond existing. quote:…But it wasn't perfect. Maybe Ilya's Third Sorcery didn't match the original.
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Oct 17, 2014 19:35
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One of the only concrete details we learn of the 4th war in FSN is that Kiritsugu only talked to Saber three times, which of course made it into Zero. If I remember Fate correctly, Saber knew that Kotomine was a former Master but lacked details such as his murder of Tokiomi or which Servant(s) he had during the 4th war. I think she knew that he and Kiritsugu had a beef but nothing specific (some comment about him be Kiritsugu's greatest enemy). Of course from her perspective he's effectively the same as Waver; a former Master who is not involved with the current war. Oops. Didn't Kiritsugu believe he had killed Kotomine anyway? It's kind of silly that he lived so close to him for several years without noticing though. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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Oct 18, 2014 20:47
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I laughed at how on the nose it was when they talked about Servants going off to do their own thing without a Master while showing Archer sitting up on top of the church.
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Oct 18, 2014 23:26
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Any Servant can stick around provided their Master can provide them mana, it's just that the cost is a lot higher because the grail isn't helping out anymore. Rin and especially Sakura have enormous reserves which apparently is enough. I think Saber exited stage left in Zero because Kiritsugu just didn't have enough juice (maybe not having any command seals hurt him too?? Though I don't think Sakura had any after HF either) comparatively. Presumably excess Servants being left behind after a Grail War is uncommon considering all them basically failed.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:40
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WTF happened to Zouken anyway after Fate and UBW; it's not like he'd just give up.
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Oct 20, 2014 14:26
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I guess he'd just slither off into irrelevance since he can't make a new Grail on his own. Doubtful that he's just let Sakura off the hook though.
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Oct 20, 2014 14:40
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The Vita remixes are OK. Most are inoffensive and some may even be a bit better. However, some just make you ask "What the hell happened here?"Beef Waifu posted:It's fun and I'd say it's worthing reading through and yes there is porn. I have no idea if there is an all-ages version though since it is the PC version.
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Oct 20, 2014 21:58
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Basically all we really know are the new designs:  I think it was rumored to use the Mahoyo engine. I'll believe in a Satsuki route when I see it. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 00:32
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I'd be pretty interested as to how much of Lancelot's abilities actually had some origin in Arthurian legend.
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Oct 24, 2014 13:36
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I think it's opposite, actually. Or at the very least every Berserker we've met thus far has had some sort of justification for the classification. Maybe the Assassin who turned into a Berserker in Fate/Extra is an exception?
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Oct 24, 2014 17:04
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Cake Attack posted:meh no effect is a little much, it pretty much nukes the area and is enough to have Ilya call Berserker off
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Oct 25, 2014 19:45
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The 2012 version of RN is pretty slick. The special effects and new CGs are so much nicer compared to the hybrid patch from before, the former since what we got originally was just Waku Waku trying to recreate poo poo himself and the latter since all of the new CGs were previously upscales from the PS2. A decent chunk of the game was also still unvoiced for a variety of reasons, which isn't a problem now. Nasu even edited Fate a bit to make Shirou slightly less chauvinistic. And for English-speakers specifically the  job by TakaJun has actually been cleaned and edited to a certain extent, hopefully (I haven't finished it yet) to not sound so bloody dry. Seriously I was rewatching a few of the more memorable scenes in lparhive and I don't understand how I ever thought half of it was acceptable English.The only downside is that I don't think I care for the separate install approach, since now someone could theoretically play Heaven's Feel first.
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Oct 28, 2014 11:50
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Réalta Nua was ported to the PC in 2012 as three separate games/installs, one for each route (they share the same save file directory). A translation patch for this version was released relatively recently: http://realtapatch.tumblr.com/
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Oct 28, 2014 20:03
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It's kind of a weird patch to set up, to say nothing of how many people probably downloaded it and tried to get it to work on the DVD version of FSN. It seems to me like it'd be a good idea to read as many instructions for it as possible  E: Although I'd completely understand skipping the asinine "watchme" for the patch on Beast's Lair.As for the other patch while the Vita openings are pretty rad make sure you check the default options when you start it up. Its default setup is something like the original game version with all its warts and the Vita music remixes, both of which I suspect a good number of players will not want. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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Oct 29, 2014 04:06
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For starters, it only adapted Fate which is easily the least popular route. FSN is supposed to be a story about how broken a person Shirou is and by only going through Fate you basically get no semblance of a character arc for him. You just get this annoying, doe-eyed, chauvinistic, and hopelessly generic shounen idealistic hero. It also attempted to shoehorn in elements from other routes in an attempt to amalgam it into some sort of representation of the full story. So you get parts like Sakura being Rin's sister getting revealed without any of the narrative weight or character development it is supposed to entail. The production values predictably were also quite poor. It isn't as outright bad as the *ahem* Tsukihime anime, but it is an aggressively mediocre adaptation no matter how you slice it.
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Nope, still don't care.Kyte posted:How come the loli manga is also the coolest TM-related action manga?
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