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Oct 31, 2014 15:51
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It will really help hammer home the impact of Gil ripping her heart out if they gave her as much characterization in UBW as Irisviel had in F/Z. Plus, it adds some more build up for the follow-up HF movies.
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Nov 1, 2014 22:45
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Nate RFB posted:I think more than a lot of other characters the comedic stuff has generally always treated Gil very well, whether it's hollow ataraxia or Carnival Phantasm. Like the wacky races episode where he turns out to be motorcycle geek. "I am the rules!" Anyone have that scene where he goes all submissive to French Maid Saber Alter? 
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Nov 3, 2014 19:40
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F/Z (much like UBW) is a story about a clash of ideals more than anything else, and the major conflict revolves around two extremely anti-social individuals trying to figure each other out in the middle of a no-holds-bars battle between some of the most powerful entities in existance. To that end, I think Kiritsugu was a great character (and works best as a foil to Kirei, anyway). Outside of the flashback bits, you're not really supposed to empathize with him. It is fairly clear that he so internalized his philosophy as a means of maintaining his sanity in an unfair world. But while he was emotionally stunted, he was tactically brilliant. So, he wasn't just a useless lump. Compare that to Shirou who is both emotionally stunted and tactically moronic. Sure, he has his moments to shine, but (especially during these first 7 eps of UBW), he can be seen as just dragging everyone else down while contributing absolutely dick to the fight at hand. tl;dr, Kiritsugu and Shirou aren't really comparable because they follow two different character archetypes, and they serve different purposes in the stories they're portrayed in.
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Nov 24, 2014 20:24
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Nate RFB posted:No big surprise as there is pretty much no character more ineffectual than Diarmuid. Hey, he took out Beserker's NP F-14 with a single strike. He was just cursed with a pair of lovely self-absorbed masters.
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Nov 25, 2014 14:53
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K. Flaps posted:Thanks guys.. So do other masters not gently caress their servants or what? You will notice that the SUPERIOR mages in the SUPERIOR story of Fate/Zero didn't need to bone their servants. There was ZERO boning servants in Fate/Zero. Homunculi and emotionally distraught partner mercenaries, on the other hand... 
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Nov 27, 2014 00:25
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Also, she doesn't have an older brother, she has an older sister. Actually, I wanted to ask the Matou's. I never really got their actual family tree. Karia was the oldest of the Matou kids before he left the family right? Then it was the middle brother that Kiritsugu tortures to find out where Iri was, then Shinji, right? I can't remember if they were all actually Zouken's kids or if he had any others considering how old he is.
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Nov 30, 2014 05:18
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icantfindaname posted:Asia has a long history of extremist minority religious groups. You can see it Japan with stuff like Aum Shinryuko, but also historically with poo poo like the Taiping Rebellion in China where a dude declared he was Jesus' brother and got enough followers to launch a massive civil war. Christianity acts as one of those cults; for example most Christians in Korea are of an extremely zealous, true believer bent For those who weren't aware, Aum Shinrikyo was the group behind the 1995 Tokyo subway sarin gas attacks. Asahara Shoko (their leader) was a blind farmer who claimed to be Jesus reincarnated and took a mishmash of apocalyptic imagery from Christian, Buddhist, and Shinto mythologies to preach the end of the world. The scariest part was that a majority of his followers were young disillusioned middle and upper middle class scientists and engineers.
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Dec 6, 2014 21:27
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Iskandar, Saber, Kiritsugu, Tokiomi, Kayneth, and Gilles de Rais were the only ones who came into the war with a specific wish. I think it is one of the best indicators of how the kids in the fifth war were just pawns when you realize how apathetic they are to the original purpose of the war.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:29
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I never read the VN, but I did know about Kuzuki's crazy rear end combat ability going into this fight. I'm just wondering what was up with that vacuum punch he threw out before strangling the poo poo out of Saber. Was that specifically mentioned? Even Kirei couldn't pull that poo poo off unless we're just hand waving it as Attack Buff: Caster's Purple Magic Fists of Fisting.
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Dec 14, 2014 05:52
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This is my favorite F/Z gif edit, second only to Kiritsugu's dickbutt geass scroll.
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Dec 19, 2014 13:39
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U-DO Burger posted:Don't keep me in suspense here. Post the gif I can't find the gif anywhere (and never saved it). Here's a frame by frame of it, though. :obon: 
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Dec 21, 2014 22:18
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Scrree posted:True Assassin gets marks for not being a completely ineffective skimpily dressed Femme Fatale, which every 'Fate' knockoff work decided would be the easiest way to handle the class. Yeah, but this one actually makes sense considering who she's based on.
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Dec 30, 2014 20:42
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Endorph posted:UBW is a great adaptation, but there isn't much that's different from the VN. And Cornelius showing up in Kiritsugu's flashback in Fate/Zero. (Was that just an anime thing?)
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Feb 20, 2015 03:45
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Randomzx posted:Pretty sure Gilgamesh didn't actually shoot out of GoB in f/e ccc flashback. It mentioned the fight got so messy that devolved into Gilgamesh manually throwing his treasury of weapons at Enkidu instead of wielding them. Gil's weapons stash (outside of Ea/Enkidu/his armor) are all proto-forms of all the weapons of the world, I believe. So, they're generally weaker in addition to the lack of experience he has weilding them. That having been said, they're still something like B-rank apparently, since he manages to kill Heracles multiple times by just continuously firing them while holding him down with Enkidu.
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Mar 26, 2015 12:53
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good-Looking. Mayhaps you could say...insane-ly sexy. *twirls mustache* 
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Mar 31, 2015 01:50
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Tonfa posted:What did the Tohsakas even get out of giving Sakura as a weapon to the Matous, or did they just do that because raising one child is enough work Watch Fate/Zero. Tokiomi outlines the whole (hosed up) rationale behind the decision during the mid-story boss battle.
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Apr 3, 2015 02:50
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BlitzBlast posted:Basically the entire situation with Sakura could have been resolved safely if Kariya and Tokiomi could talk like civilized adults for like, five minutes. Well, Kariya was practically insane by that point. Have you ever been talking to someone but were so tired that you couldn't get words out clearly and got frustrated on why the other person wasn't understanding you or was straight ignoring you? Yeah. Imagine that but after getting internally consumed by dickworms for a year beforehand.
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Apr 3, 2015 15:12
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KoB posted:So does Archer know most everything about the Grail War since he ostensibly took part in it in the past? Or is he from like, an alternate timeline where Shirou wasnt in the War? EMIYA is from a timeline where Shriou participated in the 5th HGW, but I don't think his particular iteration of it was an option in the VN. (Maybe Mind of Steel?)
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Apr 13, 2015 19:51
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LORD OF BUTT posted:It seems like you could just append "and don't do any horrible hosed up poo poo in the process" to your wish and sidestep the Grail's jackassery pretty easily. It is the classic Monkey's Paw/Djinn wish connundrum. "Don't do horrible poo poo" is subjective, and it can be very easy to justify hosed up poo poo.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:31
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Dr Pepper posted:I can't really think of any plot point that would be ruined by cell phones. Conversly, the best plot point used a cell phone. 
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Apr 20, 2015 20:47
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Honest Ray posted:So why does Enkidu qualify as Lancer and not Berserker going by the source material? Also, Berserker is usually not the default class for any servant that can qualify for another class. (e.g., They had to use a modified spell to summon Heracles and Lancelot as berserkers.) I would assume you would only get Berserker without the modified incantation if it was the only class remaining.
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May 1, 2015 12:38
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-Troika- posted:Rin can support a Servant without the grail with just her magic circuits but it takes like 80% of her prana. I've been meaning to ask, where did the term "prana" come from vice the more oft used "mana"? Was it some weird Nasu-ism in one of the earlier releases?
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May 7, 2015 03:24
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Clarste posted:I think the important thing to note here is that neither are actually used in the Japanese, as far as I know. I'm betting some translator just thought they were appropriate, and probably wrote an essay somewhere justifying their choice. This is what I was really asking, actually.  Though, to be perfectly honest, I've heard the term "maya" more often in the Indian/Hindu context. Though, that is less generic magical energy, I guess. And more related to the mystical aspects of the Brahman.
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May 7, 2015 12:32
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Myurton posted:Actually there was originally suppose to be an Ilya route as well but it was eventually scrapped. Perhaps that route led to Shirou becoming Archer, though we will probably never know. That was the fan theory I've heard. Fun enough, the OVA for Carnival Phantasm has a skit with a giant Grail-possessed Illya bemoaning her lost route.
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May 8, 2015 03:07
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Silver2195 posted:Shiki Ryougi's Servant killing abilities aren't really in question, since she killed 99 of them in Extra. So, there's what? Seven characters/personalities across TM that are named Shiki?
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May 17, 2015 03:41
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Zernach posted:Watched Fate/Zero recently, can't get over Iskandar I always wondered, did Gil never actually retrieve those two or three NPs he launched at Caster's monstrosity? So, are there like, three legendary swords/spears just laying at the bottom of the Fuyuki River?
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May 21, 2015 13:52
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Tonfa posted:rewatched f/z recently and does urobuchi have a huge boner for choking in all of his works because holy poo poo I think that was just Kirei's thing. (Well, and that one time Kiritsugu choked an illusion.) I mean, why wouldn't you when you have awesome kung fu hands? Edit: Oh yeah, and Kariya. hmmm...
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May 28, 2015 14:05
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Crossposting from UBW thread:Raenir Salazar posted:I don't fully catch the irony, can you explain in the TM thread or pm me? The Grail actually calls Kiritsugu "Angra Mainyu" after he calls bullshit on the Grail's inability to generate a true miracle to it's face. Of course, this may have just been clever wordplay, since before the invent of the being "Angra Mainyu", it was just a phrase used to describe a/the destructive spirit. Much like how "satan" is originally just the gerund form of the Hebrew word meaning "to oppose" or "adversary".
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Jun 4, 2015 18:39
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Silver2195 posted:
Everything I've read (which isn't much, honestly) has said that Gilles d'Rais' trial was based pretty much entirely on circumstantial evidence and likely false testimony from people who has something to gain from the confiscation of his assets. In fact, the Duke of Brittany, who was the prosecutor, received the titles to d'Rais' lands after his conviction. (i.e., What Caster says to Ryuunosuke about how he was tried because they wanted his land and it was all a big conspiracy by the local religious and secular leadership was pretty much true.)
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Jun 14, 2015 04:52
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Namtab posted:So is girl shiki a plant? All she has is water. Ryougi is the original Shiki before all that Tohno bullshit decided to rear its ugly head in the Nasuverse.  And she ends up developing a taste for a delicious foreign-sounding frozen treat. 
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Jun 15, 2015 20:58
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Only seen one scene of that show. It was Archer-Illya vs Saber Alter. I would like to imagine the entire show is that. But, I know better. 
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Jun 26, 2015 13:08
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:New Grand Order trailer 
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Jun 28, 2015 04:32
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Twiddy posted:About Avalon, from my memory (and the sources I checked kind of backed me up on this) it's not that Avalon is an actual shield. It literally places the person in another dimension (the Utopia Avalon land of the faeries blah blah) so they are unreachable by damage. Basically, Ea's ultimate destructive power can't beat its defense because its defense is essentially "I'm not even there in the first place." Or I guess more accurately, "the space I'm occupying is another dimension and you can't get me neener neener neener neener!" Does this mean if Gil was caught in Avalon's dimensional bubble, he'd be able to nuke Avalon (the concept) with Ea like he did Ionian Hetairoi? (Assuming it actually works similar to reality marbles.) And, yeah. IIRC, the Avalon they use in Fate isnt the real Avalon, it is just a traced copy.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:30
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Namtab posted:Life came up, so I will be reacting to more than the first 5 mins of movie 5 tomorrow Spiral Paradox is the best movie because it has
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Jun 29, 2015 23:36
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Namtab posted:I bet the ginger kid dies, also the guy in the top hat owns You've seen him before.  
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Jun 30, 2015 23:25
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alcharagia posted:I mean unless we're talking about that foxy mama, Francis Drake. I liked that gender bend even more than Red Saber just because it is based on an old literary rumor.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:42
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Rodyle posted:Gilles is a good villain but a poor waifu. 
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Jul 2, 2015 01:04
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Nate RFB posted:Movie 6 is just OK yeah. 7 is mostly decent but 5 is the one with the actual big payoff/climax. You also get two epilogues and another 1 hour extra movie. (I honestly liked Mirai Fukuin almost as much as Spiral Paradox.)
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Jul 4, 2015 17:14
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Chaotic Flame posted:Rin sounds really miscast to me. The rest don't sound...awful. Lancer and Kirei were the only good voices. The others were poo poo. Like...the Fate/Zero dub was pretty good (comparatively). Did they just get a different (shittier) voice director for this project or something?
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Jul 9, 2015 12:42
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