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That episode was too artistic for it's own good. Either people didn't notice or care, or people thought the style looked like trash. I'm not surprised to see the vocal minority asking others to re-evaluate what they just watched. But it's not going to be me, because I can only think of snobby hipster phrases like "the animation had flavor; actual sustenance" to describe it.
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I think the show looks good, but so far the plot has been pretty ,average I guess? Like, it's not badly executed, but it feels like I've seen it a thousand times before and know exactly how it's going to play out.
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Nov 7, 2014 05:45
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The animation wasn't perfect or anything, but I appreciate that they put in more effort to keep it from being just static characters with mouth movements during all the dialogue scenes. Sadly that's kind of rare for TV.
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Nov 7, 2014 05:46
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See what I mean, Shaft-like. But yea, I wouldn't call this episode too artsy, just indulgent. Mixing fluid animation with still frames in such an obvious way puts the viewer on edge, and while you can use that tension in cool ways it doesn't really work here. The sense I got from this episode is that the things that looked awesome were what the animator wanted to draw, not what fitted the story or mood. It doesn't help that there were audio sync issues all over the place. Compare with Chihayafuru, which I think is a great example of smart direction completely compensating for low budget and barely there animation, as not a single frame is wasted. There are frames in this episode that probably should have been removed, because they made viewers think "huh that's a lot of movement" instead of what's going on with the characters and themes, or emotionally connecting with the mood. However, despite this super negative post I'm 100% behind indulging animators, and while I know on some level a more balanced approach would be better I kind of love when anime pulls something like this. Strong Mouse posted:I really enjoyed the chibi portions. A perfect Your Lie In April anime is one where Takashi Kojima does every chibi scene.
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Nov 7, 2014 05:52
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Apparently this show is super divisive, and anime bloggers have been dropping it in disgust all over the place: http://randomc.net/2014/11/07/shigatsu-wa-kimi-uso-05/ http://www.lostinanime.com/2014/11/shigatu-w-kimi-no-uso-05.html http://angryanimebitches.com/2014/11/glossing-things-over-a-kimiuso-post/ I hope I can one day be empathic enough to pick up on how horrible anime is.
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Nov 9, 2014 17:16
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Nov 9, 2014 17:25
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OH MY GOD THEY'RE RIGHT. gently caress this show.
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Nov 9, 2014 17:26
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darkgray posted:Apparently this show is super divisive, and anime bloggers have been dropping it in disgust all over the place: That is far too many words about anime.
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darkgray posted:Apparently this show is super divisive, and anime bloggers have been dropping it in disgust all over the place:
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Coaaab posted:What do the Japanese anime bloggers say? I dunno. I took a peek at the 2ch thread, and they couldn't shut up about manga spoilers, so I fled.
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angryanimebitch posted:I’m not a person who understands music; Illuminating opinion, AAB. http://randomc.net/2014/11/07/shigatsu-wa-kimi-uso-05/ posted:It’s really upsetting to me and it makes me feel sick to my stomach, so much so that I suffered an anxiety attack last night over it. If only I had the gift to be so wrong about anime that it made me physically ill.
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Nov 9, 2014 19:09
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The best one is the blogger who dropped the anime for bullying Kousei too much, but mentions that the same things happening in the manga didn't bother them. But yea, this is a show about friends emotionally manipulating someone they care about to do something that makes him uncomfortable because they think it'll pull him out of his depression. It may just be my experience, but a friend to me is someone who knows me well enough to also know exactly what buttons to push to make me angry, so this seems normal to me. It does go a little overboard, what with the blood and extra privacy invasion, but it seems weird to drop the show over that. There is also the issue that a lot of Kousei's problems stem from his mother's abuse, and these kids are playing with extra delicate stuff here. And yea, if they knew their actions would come off as mean instead of just insensitive. However, there's no evidence that they know about that at all. All they see is a friend who's not letting themselves be happy, and honestly I'd end up doing the same thing in their position. Mostly.
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Nov 9, 2014 19:22
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The Devil Tesla posted:The best one is the blogger who dropped the anime for bullying Kousei too much, but mentions that the same things happening in the manga didn't bother them. I think the main complaint is that his friends don't know that, but the writer and the show do, and that the writer and the show seem to be presenting it as an unequivocal good thing. It's the framing and the music choices and the general flow of events. It probably is good for him to face his problems, in the long run, but working through trauma and depression is more complicated than "buck up and try harder"... Especially if the show never addresses the fact that Kousei wasn't just pushed by an obsessive parent, he was physically and emotionally abused. At this rate, it might not! And that'd take the show from "kind of tone-deaf" to "seriously problematic."
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Kousei needs to stop being a pussy and man up, his friends are doing God's work in trying to make him not a goon. 
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Nov 9, 2014 21:52
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Einander posted:Especially if the show never addresses the fact that Kousei wasn't just pushed by an obsessive parent, he was physically and emotionally abused. I don't see how this is the case, it's 100% clear that this is what happened.
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You can enjoy a show for its artistry and themes in spite of your realisation of how emotionally manipulative it can be. More fire for the blogroll: http://moesucks.com/2014/11/07/shigatsu-wa-kimi-no-uso-ep-5-self-identity-is-for-chumps/#more-25214 Look if you really feel this is a problem in anime blogging perhaps we should start some kind of internet movement demanding ethics anime blog reviewing. Perhaps, we should call it #animgate?
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Nov 9, 2014 22:31
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i'm not really feeling the show so far but lol at how over the top some of these people's reactions are
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Phobophilia posted:Look if you really feel this is a problem in anime blogging perhaps we should start some kind of internet movement demanding ethics anime blog reviewing. Perhaps, we should call it #animgate? There are already enough dudes with anime girls as avatars sending creepy messages on twitter.
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So none of these people have ever watched a romantic comedy in their lives, right? Because this series isn't doing anything unusual in regards to unrealistic behaviors and expectations of human emotion.
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The Devil Tesla posted:I don't see how this is the case, it's 100% clear that this is what happened. I really don't know how to communicate this, but the show is presenting something that's clearly abuse but it's not treating it like abuse. For example, Tsubaki has never brought up mysterious injuries or the way he was afraid to do things because his mother wouldn't want him to. It just doesn't seem to matter to the writer. It's a lot harder to point out things a show is not doing than the things it is, but it's not handling the abuse like abuse. That's why it bothers people, because his friends aren't following a "help the abuse victim" script, they're following a "help the unmotivated slacker" script, and so far, the show is treating that like the proper course of action.
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I gotta wonder how much of the "help the unmotivated slacker" angle being so jarring for some people is due simply to cultural differences. It's a big stereotype that Japanese parents (and thus their children) are very strict about this sort of thing, to the point where a lot of the things we as a western audience think of as abuse might not even register as such to the native audience. Then again this may not even be a true stereotype and I may be overthinking it. I'd be lying if I said his mother's treatment of him as a child didn't bother me more than a little and I really think the story would be better off to have either have kept that particular information for a later reveal or addressed it sooner.
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Phobophilia posted:Look if you really feel this is a problem in anime blogging perhaps we should start some kind of internet movement demanding ethics anime blog reviewing. Perhaps, we should call it #animgate? Just have it localised around these forums and call it #goongate so we can continue to sit back and laugh at their sperging atop our perch of objectively less-poo poo taste in Asian cartoons.
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Amstrad posted:I gotta wonder how much of the "help the unmotivated slacker" angle being so jarring for some people is due simply to cultural differences. It's a big stereotype that Japanese parents (and thus their children) are very strict about this sort of thing, to the point where a lot of the things we as a western audience think of as abuse might not even register as such to the native audience. Then again this may not even be a true stereotype and I may be overthinking it. I'd be lying if I said his mother's treatment of him as a child didn't bother me more than a little and I really think the story would be better off to have either have kept that particular information for a later reveal or addressed it sooner. I'm just laughing at all this talk of "triggers" and "abuse". This poo poo is just part of an Asian upbringing! Empirically speaking!
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HiveCommander posted:Like hell the fedora-tipping bloggers are going to listen to that, I even doubt that the extent of GamerGate is getting through to people. hahahahahahaha
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HiveCommander posted:Like hell the fedora-tipping bloggers are going to listen to that, I even doubt that the extent of GamerGate is getting through to people. Actually it's about ethics in anime
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Razzled posted:I'm just laughing at all this talk of "triggers" and "abuse". I was considering mentioning that too, since I wanted to say I disagreed with all the blogs, but had a hard time articulating why, as well as having some foreknowledge based off how the manga's playing out. Kousei is a bundle of issues that isn't quite fully summed up as abuse though. There are expectations that his mother wanted of him, expectations that he expects out of himself, things that he actually likes and wants, external pressure from society, and these all tend to overlap and conflict that he loses sight of what he desires because it is too emotionally draining, especially with the lack of closure with his mother. I might be projecting a bit of my own experiences onto the character though. Suffice to say, an Asian mom will be your number one loving supporter, but she can also be your number one obstacle in life, and a weird mental and emotional disconnect comes from both sides should you ever fail and hit rock-bottom and you become a huge loving depressing mess. Sometimes getting put on the spot is the best solution because it forces dealing with all that emotional baggage that has been ignored and closed away.
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This is dumb but I like this show so I'm going to write some  about itI think Kousei's main problem in general is not "his mom was mean to him a lot". It's pretty clear that he loved his mother very much, and sympathized greatly with the destruction of her dream due to physical ailment. No relationship is perfect and I don't think that just because it didn't explicitly show "hey look there were good times too" that they didn't exist. The cuts from the last episode show him having a good time with her when she was still healthy and he was very young. That it deteriorated with her health to the harshness of the later lessons probably also explains why he blames himself for failing to achieve her goal before her death. I think what his current day problems stem from is the loss of feedback/communication resulting from his mother's death. He took on her dream as his own in order to help her live vicariously through his own achievements. In the end however he is left with no direction because all along he was living for someone else's dream rather than his own. So then we come to the current part of the story and I think that even though they haven't been doing a perfect job (or maybe even a good one), his friends have at least gotten him started along the path to self-actualization rather than simply being a shell for someone else's aspirations. Razzled fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 10, 2014 |
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5 episodes in and im loving pissed all the characters havent gone through their complete arcs and are fully developed and fleshed out making the story pretty much finished. how can i contribute to the angry anime bitches blog?
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Looks like all dem angry anime bitches shoulda watched one more episode
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Razzled posted:Looks like all dem angry anime bitches shoulda watched one more episode Yeah, I thought this was pretty hilarious. It still doesn't really excuse Tsubaki allowing it to go on, but Kaori was pretty clearly freaked out at the idea that what they'd been doing was painful / bringing up painful memories.
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ugh does Kaori have Anime disease? :-\Dick Spacious CPA posted:5 episodes in and im loving pissed all the characters havent gone through their complete arcs and are fully developed and fleshed out making the story pretty much finished. how can i contribute to the angry anime bitches blog? Can I just copy paste this into both Gundam show threads for this season?
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Rivals! Best part of an already really good episode. If this show turns into Piano Chihayafuru I am going to lose my poo poo.
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linall posted:If this show turns into Piano Chihayafuru I am going to lose my poo poo. That's the first thing I thought of when they turned up at the end.
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linall posted:Rivals! Best part of an already really good episode. If this show turns into Piano Chihayafuru I am going to lose my poo poo. It's been piano Chihayafuru from the start.
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