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I'm a little anxious that, after some of the best seasons of Game of Thrones yet, the producers might not be able to handle the burden of passing GRRM up, and might end up cutting some plotlines that would have made some good TV. I'm sure Game of Thrones will still be very entertaining, but the best might be past us.
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I wouldn't go as far to say she's incompetent. She manages to keep people from slitting each other's throats for a while, despite all the different factions that are clearly eager for a war/another power transition. Her chapters definitely illustrate the how many sacrifices have to be made for an "idealist" to actually effect change. She gives up her "family" (dragons), love life (marrying Hrizdar), and she also gives up the idea of her being a "mother" to those conquered when she shuts the gates to the Yunkish and lets disease run rampant outside. It's easy to criticize in retrospect especially when we have more information than her of what is really going on outside, but the idea that she is completely incompetent is a bit much in my opinion. I came away from ADWD more impressed at her ability to rule than I did in all previous books. Which is why it makes it even more tragic that she's basically (probably, presumably) gonna burn everything she worked for down so she can become "a dragon".
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Oct 15, 2014 22:42
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Apparently at least one major theory is getting some fuel for the fire in AWOIAF. I'm guessing Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son is the one.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:51
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TOOT BOOT posted:Apparently at least one major theory is getting some fuel for the fire in AWOIAF. I'm guessing Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son is the one.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:53
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JT Jag posted:Haha, you all called me mad when I tossed the "Tyrion is a secret Targ" theory out there, but I'm not mad, I say! Assuming Aegon is a fake I think it's at least plausible.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:34
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TOOT BOOT posted:Apparently at least one major theory is getting some fuel for the fire in AWOIAF. I'm guessing Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son is the one.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:53
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I'd be very surprised if Tyrion is a secret Targ. It just feels like a silly cop-out that undermines three books worth of Tyrion/Tywin interaction
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Oct 16, 2014 00:00
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If any of the Lannister kids are secret Targs it should be Cercei and Jamie. It explains the twincest and adds even more emotional oomps to the Tyrion/Tywin scenes if Tyrion is Tywins only actual son.
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Oct 16, 2014 00:10
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How would we even find out if any of them were Arys' kids? Is there anyone even alive who would know?
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Oct 16, 2014 00:23
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People think Selmy would know since he was nervous talking about Aerys and Tywin's wife.
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Oct 16, 2014 00:48
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Big Bug Hug posted:How would we even find out if any of them were Arys' kids? Is there anyone even alive who would know? Joanna's alive! I knew it!
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Oct 16, 2014 01:20
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JT Jag posted:Haha, you all called me mad when I tossed the "Tyrion is a secret Targ" theory out there, but I'm not mad, I say! I think it's possible...the showrunners know the main story arc, and have had to work visual foreshadowing in...watching the scene with Tyrion and Tywin Season 4 Ep 1 where he talks about letting Tyrion live "for the good of the family" in the context of "Tywin knows he's Joanna's rape baby and said nothing to protect Lannister honor" makes a lot of sense.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:21
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Big Bug Hug posted:How would we even find out if any of them were Arys' kids? Is there anyone even alive who would know? I guess we could find out that Arys definitely did take liberties with Joanna. That wouldn't be outright confirmation Tyrion is a Targ but it would lend a little more weight to the theory. There's really no evidence against Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son other than 'More secret Targs would be stupid'
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Oct 16, 2014 01:24
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TOOT BOOT posted:Apparently at least one major theory is getting some fuel for the fire in AWOIAF. I'm guessing Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son is the one. It's definitely mermen.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:27
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Whizbang posted:It's definitely mermen. I really want to see a merman.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:31
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Targaryens are the Saiyans of the Ice and Fire universe. Dany (Goku) and her evil brother Viserys (Raditz) are allegedly the only two Targaryens left at the beginning of the series, but as the story progresses more and more come out of the woodwork. Dany even summons dragons from spherical stones. This analogy will be complete in Winds when Jon and Dany do the fusion dance and reach Super Targaryan level 4.
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Bonesnap posted:Targaryens are the Saiyans of the Ice and Fire universe. Dany (Goku) and her evil brother Viserys (Raditz) are allegedly the only two Targaryens left at the beginning of the series, but as the story progresses more and more come out of the woodwork. Dany even summons dragons from spherical stones. This analogy will be complete in Winds when Jon and Dany do the fusion dance and reach Super Targaryan level 4. You're missing the biggest comparison at all, that it takes Dany practically forever to power up (get her army) and actually accomplish something.
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Oct 16, 2014 12:10
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TOOT BOOT posted:There's really no evidence against Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son other than 'More secret Targs would be stupid' Seriously, though, in the books, is there more talk about Aerys lusting after Joanna beyond what happened during the bedding at her and Tywin's wedding?
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Oct 16, 2014 13:03
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Soylent Pudding posted:If any of the Lannister kids are secret Targs it should be Cercei and Jamie. It explains the twincest I don't get why every so often people ITT act like incest is an inherited genetic trait  They're both huge narcissists and have a twin sibling who looks a lot like them. That's all that's necessary to explain the twincest.
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Oct 16, 2014 13:30
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frankenfreak posted:There's really no evidence for Tyrion being Arys and Joanna's son other than 'Aerys took some liberties with Joanna' somewhat. and tyrion's hair is white blond, not lannister blond, and he has mismatched eyes which another distant targ relative has.
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Oct 16, 2014 13:47
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There are lots of good narrative reasons for Tyrion not to be a secret targ, like a) it would be stupid b) it retroactively ruins the character dynamics between him and Tywin and c) it would be stupid
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Oct 16, 2014 14:03
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Mortabis posted:There are lots of good narrative reasons for Tyrion not to be a secret targ, like a) it would be stupid b) it retroactively ruins the character dynamics between him and Tywin and c) it would be stupid I'm trying to think of an equivalent situation where it would just ruin everything. Maybe have it so Batman's parents were secretly alive the whole time?
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Oct 16, 2014 14:08
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Soylent Pudding posted:If any of the Lannister kids are secret Targs it should be Cercei and Jamie. It explains the twincest and adds even more emotional oomps to the Tyrion/Tywin scenes if Tyrion is Tywins only actual son. Incest is unfortunately more common in real life and more important to human history than we may like it to be, and does not require 'special magic blood of the dragons that makes you want to keep it in the family' to explain it
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Oct 16, 2014 14:14
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computer parts posted:I'm trying to think of an equivalent situation where it would just ruin everything. Maybe have it so Batman's parents were secretly alive the whole time? Having Bucky still be alive. Making Uncle Bens death not Peters fault. Have Gollum voluntarily give Bilbo the ring Making Dexters killing impulses be a ghost possessing him Turning Sylar into a good guy Making Anakin the chosen one
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Oct 16, 2014 14:34
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More importantly if Tyrion was a secret Targ it would be one of the biggest fantasy tropes that GRRM has been trying to avoid. The book already has one secret Targ (Jon) and vaulting another one of the major characters, and arguably the fan's favorite, into potential dragon rider territory would be very underwhelming. I think the hints about him being a secret Targ are one big red herring. Now Jaime and Cersei being secret Targs would make a lot more of an impact. As it's been said before the juxtaposition of how Tywin would have treated his actual son compared to the secret Targs is a lot more interesting of a plot dynamic.
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Oct 16, 2014 14:56
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lifts cats over head posted:Now Jaime and Cersei being secret Targs would make a lot more of an impact. As it's been said before the juxtaposition of how Tywin would have treated his actual son compared to the secret Targs is a lot more interesting of a plot dynamic.
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Oct 16, 2014 15:35
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I know we already knew this because of Maggie the Frog and young Cersei being cast, but D&D confirmed at a Q&A they're going to start using flashbacks now.
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Oct 16, 2014 16:07
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lifts cats over head posted:More importantly if Tyrion was a secret Targ it would be one of the biggest fantasy tropes that GRRM has been trying to avoid. The book already has one secret Targ (Jon) and vaulting another one of the major characters, and arguably the fan's favorite, into potential dragon rider territory would be very underwhelming. I think the hints about him being a secret Targ are one big red herring. Unless Jon isn't a secret Targaryen after all. That would be fun, if only to watch the entire internet spontaneously combust.
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GonSmithe posted:I know we already knew this because of Maggie the Frog and young Cersei being cast, but D&D confirmed at a Q&A they're going to start using flashbacks now. I wonder how they're going to do this. It seems kind of strange if they become a show device now because flashbacks are really only relevant for Bran and Cersei (thus far). Will everyone else suddenly have flashbacks all of a sudden or just those two characters? Also, how would it work? *LOST wooshing sound effect*? Cold opens? As an aside, I was also really hoping that they woud cut the valonqar crap. Cersei can go mad without it. It seemed like an asspull in the books and it'll seem like an even bigger asspull in the show because Cersei and Tyrion had a kind of burgeoning respect for each other in Season 2 and 3 with all their heart-to-hearts.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:00
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TOOT BOOT posted:I guess we could find out that Arys definitely did take liberties with Joanna. That wouldn't be outright confirmation Tyrion is a Targ but it would lend a little more weight to the theory. Well apart from the fact Tywin admits Tyrion is his son after Jaime's gently caress up in the riverlands and Tywin's sister saying Tyrion is Tywin's true son while Jaime was more like his brothers.. oh yeah and Tyrion still being alive, Tywin would have zero reason to keep him around if he wasn't his son.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:48
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ahaha oh godWatchers on the Wall posted:There have been rumors for several months now that Jaime’s storyline will diverge significantly from A Song of Ice and Fire for season 5. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Jerome Flynn filmed on Portstewart Strand, Northern Ireland for several days with characters in Dornish clothing, confirming the men would be headed for the southernmost region of Westeros.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:00
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BillBear posted:Well apart from the fact Tywin admits Tyrion is his son after Jaime's gently caress up in the riverlands and Tywin's sister saying Tyrion is Tywin's true son while Jaime was more like his brothers.. oh yeah and Tyrion still being alive, Tywin would have zero reason to keep him around if he wasn't his son. Think about what we know about Tywin. About his defining characteristics, which were in a way also his fatal flaws: his pride, his need to protect the family legacy and the love he bore his wife. Of course he would've raised Tyrion regardless.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:01
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colonel_korn posted:ahaha oh god I like parts of that scene. If they replaced the Sand Snakes with a few red-shirt Dorne men I think it would be an excellent way to introduce Hotah but to have the Sand Snakes run in as some sort of SUPER ACTION FIGHTING GIRL SQUAD could easily come across as cheesy. Of course this is all out of full context so the actual scene could present as a lot smoother so I guess I'll reserve my final opinion for later. Edit: Some images of Doran surfaced as well. lifts cats over head fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Oct 16, 2014 20:26
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I always thought Doran would be pudgier than that No one is as fat as they should be in this show.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:53
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Doran looks kinda badass, Dornishmen have some nice outfits.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:54
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In It For The Tank posted:I wonder how they're going to do this. It seems kind of strange if they become a show device now because flashbacks are really only relevant for Bran and Cersei (thus far). Will everyone else suddenly have flashbacks all of a sudden or just those two characters? guessing they use bran becoming a tree and "greenseeing" to explain the existence of flashbacks. There was some suggestion of that season 4 ep 1. Congratulations, Bran. You went from worthless character to plot device.
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Oct 16, 2014 21:40
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JT Jag posted:I always thought Doran would be pudgier than that What are you doing? We said TV ugly, not ugly ugly...
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Oct 16, 2014 21:42
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I mean he's gouty and he spends all his time lounging and plotting, I don't think Doran would maintain a proper coiled-like-a-whip Dornish physique for long, nor would he care to. Maybe he maintains his appearance by having a fantastic diet, despite being sedentary.
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Oct 16, 2014 21:56
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He's totally standing up and his feet aren't swelled up to three times their normal size from gout, MY IMMERSION 
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Doran's reputation as a gout ridden fat dude being an elaborate deception seems like a wonderful angle for cementing him as a spymaster immediately.
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