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Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


No problem. Will announce the christmas truce in the common thread.

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Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Alright Fat Turkey, let's get some posts up again.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Hey there, will get my post out today, promise!

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Detach the Murat calvary from Murat. Can you please confirm if that cavalry van move?

Santon artillery attack 64.

More depending on what happens

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Yes it can move using a detach corps command, where do you want to move it to?

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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72

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


That move is not allowed, since the Corps is in approach, the only places the cavalry can move to is in reserve of its own locale or in 64 (which would constitute an attack).

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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OK.

Fire the artillery first and see what happens. If I can't because I declared the cavalry first, put it in reserve and fire the artillery.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Allied Defence Declaration

silvergoose
  • No Units Selected, 2 CAV reveals and moves to 65 55

Nothing needs to be revealed as the santon battery is a fixed battery.

Action Queue:
-- Fat Turkey: Further Actions.

Tekopo fucked around with this message at Dec 29, 2014 around 14:08

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Please note that the cavalry moved to 55, not 65.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Hard to grasp the numbers on this map, 55 is where Constantine is right?

Attack cavalry from 14 into 19, keeping the option to feint open.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


There is a reference map in the OP

Also, do you mean 14 into 29? If you do, you can't do that attack because there are 0 Independent moves left.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Aaah, sorry, I've been away from my PC these holidays and keeping up on my phone.

I did mean 29. But I can't do that...

Did the Murat cavalry unit move down as I requested, that went through first right?

Just checking if that's how I want to leave it.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Is the Santon artillery still considered to be in reserve or did it move over like other units would?

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


It's still considered in reverse, since it is a special case and the fixed battery can't actually move.

The Murat cavalry didn't move into reserve, no, because the artillery could in fact act first.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Move Bessie's unit from 41 to 26.

Turn over

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


So I take it the cavalry in Murat's corps is not gonna move?

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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I wanted to move them down to 72, if it was possible, yes.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Fat Turkey posted:

I wanted to move them down to 72, if it was possible, yes.
You can only move them to reserve or into 64: I'm assuming you don't want to do that?

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Of course, it didn't start in reserve, I've been looking at Bess for too long. Murat's cavalry will detach and sit in reserve. It will not move into 64.

Sorry about the delays here but it should be done now. Just nasty timing for it to come up to my turn while I'm away from my PC for Christmas where my notes are. I am keeping up, or trying to.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Updated Map:



Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 21

11:00 AM, Allied Turn

Action Queue:
-- French Team: Proclaim an early victory

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Poland can, like, totally into space!


Tekopo posted:

Action Queue:
-- French Team: Proclaim an early victory

Madame, Messieurs, félicitations.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Allied Movement

silvergoose
  • Attack Threat 64 -> 54

Action Queue:
-- frankenfreak: Defence Declaration

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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I'm confused. Are you saying Allies are attacking from 64 into 54? I thought we turfed them out of 64?

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


It is still possible to do such a threat, thanks to road feints.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

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Naming the battery as defending piece.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Allied Attack Declaration

silvergoose
  • Feint Option taken, 2 CAV shown and moved to 64

Updated Map:



Allied Movement

silvergoose
  • Attack Threat 42 -> 54

Since the Artillery defended on another approach, it cannot defend this one.
Artillery is destroyed and the french lose one morale.

Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 20

Gutter Owl
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl


Wait, how the hell did they pull off this poo poo? The Santon is obstructed against cavalry.

Section 18, Santon special rules, bullet point 3: Approach penalties apply to attacks into the locale even when the defending pieces are in reserve.

Section 11, Attacks, paragraph 9: Cavalry units cannot lead an attack, lead a defense, or counter-attack if the defense approach is obstructed.

They could not have possibly declared a legal attack along the road, as the attack would be invalid on declaration, when they have to demonstrate that the attacking units are cavalry (Section 11, paragraph 8).

Gutter Owl fucked around with this message at Jan 1, 2015 around 19:54

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Gutter Owl posted:

Wait, how the hell did they pull off this poo poo? The Santon is obstructed against cavalry.

Section 18, Santon rules, bullet point 3: Approach penalties apply to attacks into the locale even when the defending pieces are in reserve.

Section 11, Attacks, paragraph 9: Cavalry units cannot lead an attack, lead a defense, or counter-attack if the defense approach is obstructed.

They could not have possibly declared a legal attack along the road, as the attack would be invalid on declaration, when they have to demonstrate that the attacking units are cavalry (paragraph 8).
Read the highlighted part very carefully. It says that cavalry cannot lead an attack. This is a very specific term in the game. So it is possible for a cavalry unit to do feints on obstructed approaches. As well as that, it is possible to perform an attack (that isn't a road feint) with a cavalry on an obstructed approach, have the cavalry be the only unit declared in the attack declaration, and then be forced to have 0 units named as leading units (although why you would is unclear when you could just declare a feint).

Tekopo fucked around with this message at Jan 1, 2015 around 20:01

Gutter Owl
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl


gently caress, nevermind. 11.5, bullet 3, "there are no leading units in such attacks [feints]." Which means the obstruction penalty apparently does nothing, because the cavalry aren't actually leading an attack.

This makes no goddamn sense to me. A bunch of cavalry who can't even get up the hil run around and make some noise, and somehow this convinces our soldiers to panic, throw the battery off a cliff, and loving commit suicide. loving brilliant.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


There is actually a distinction. Cavalry CAN move up the hill. They just can't attack up the hill. So the presence of the cavalry threatening an attack would still potentially cause a unit to panic, especially if it appeared that they were attacked from two sides.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Also, you need to think about it in terms of how the attacks would be conducted in real life. The first attack would gain the attention of the battery, who would set up for defence, when they suddenly hear about enemies infiltrating on the other side, upon which it would be too late to shift the defence. There's a lot of ways to rationalise it.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

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Oh merde

Gutter Owl
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl


Fine, fine, I get it. I'm just really sore because this is a significant loss caused by confusing rules rather than tactical missteps. Play on.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Gutter Owl posted:

Fine, fine, I get it. I'm just really sore because this is a significant loss caused by confusing rules rather than tactical missteps. Play on.
To be fair, I hadn't realised the implications of road feint on the Santon before the Allies made the move. I'll know for my next game to keep a bodyguard on the Santon in my future games.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Allied Movement

silvergoose
  • 1 CAV reveals (independent move) 29 -> 42 -> 54
  • Bagration moves 29 -> 41

Updated Map:



Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 20

Allied Commands Left: 1 Independent, 4 Corps.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Allied Movement

Aston
  • Liechtenstein moves 123 -> 106
  • Kollowrath moves 85 -> 75 -> 65

Update Map:



Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 20

Allied Commands Left: 1 Independent, 2 Corps

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Allied Movement

Morholt
  • Attack Threat 83 -> 82

Action Queue:
-- frankenfreak: Defence Declaration

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

Almanya önde!
Bir başka hedef!
Sonsuz şef Löw için zafer!


Retreat to 72.

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Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Something that I forgot, but it is too late to reverse back now, is that unfortunately you lose 2 morale for retreating with heavy cavalry. This won't happen anymore, though.

Allied Movement

Morholt
  • Unit on 83 -> 82 approach moves into 82 (independent)
  • Prebyshevsky moves to 83 -> 72 Approach

Map Updated Tonight

Allied Morale: 16 (Guard Used)
French Morale: 18 (Heavy Cavalry Used)

Allied Commands Left: 1 Corps

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