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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


My big board if anyone cares (I was gonna do a detailed one but then work and stuff):

1. Towns
2. Russell
3. Okafor
4. Hezonja
5. Muiday
6. Porzingas
7. Johnson
8. Turner
9. Winslow
10. Portis
11. WCS
12. Hunter
13. Booker
14. Grant
15. Kaminsky
16. Oubre
17. Jones
18. Dekker
19. Looney
20. Payne
21. Lyles
22. Harrell
23. Vaughn
24. Wood
25. Hollis-Jefferson
26. Mickey
27. Frazier
28. Wright
29. McCollugh
30. Brown

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3 DONG HORSE
May 21, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization



Dejan Bimble posted:

It's not very complicated. The TV show is structured around the build up of tension before a pick, and the release of that tension as the pick is finally read. When you know the picks beforehand, there's no tension, and the words the talking heads say lose meaning.

People watch the show to learn the picks, but also to be entertained by the show itself and its dramatic reveals of trades and selections.

Yeah but it's really easy to not refresh nor read the thread..

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

Dejan Bimble posted:

It's not very complicated. The TV show is structured around the build up of tension before a pick, and the release of that tension as the pick is finally read. When you know the picks beforehand, there's no tension, and the words the talking heads say lose meaning.

People watch the show to learn the picks, but also to be entertained by the show itself and its dramatic reveals of trades and selections.

I understand it, I guess just as a pro wrestling fan I'm used to knowing the outcome of my drama before it happens.

3 DONG HORSE
May 21, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization



MourningView posted:

My big board if anyone cares (I was gonna do a detailed one but then work and stuff):

2. Russell
3. Okafor

I am not sure how to feel about this. Am I wrong for thinking that Okafor would be the better pick if the Lakers don't trade?

My knowledge extends about as far as youtube highlights and some articles so I am on the fence about taking Russell.

Dejan Bimble posted:

I don't care about spoilering the thread, I'm just explaining why someone would prefer not to read spoilers. I have to be at the airport, so it's of no material concern to me.

Fair enough!

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

I tell you the truth: one of you chumps will betray me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWY6BOIO9I

Personally I don't care much for the actual draft but all the stupid rumors swirling around it are like catnip for me and I enjoy flipping out about all the dumb stuff the teams are or are not doing

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

old dog child posted:

Yeah but it's really easy to not refresh nor read the thread..

I don't care about spoilering the thread, I'm just explaining why someone would prefer not to read spoilers. I have to be at the airport, so it's of no material concern to me.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


I dunno, I just don't think the drama is lessened that much. You still don't know who is getting picked until you hear it from whatever source you're hearing it from, and the difference isn't that big. Like is the ESPN TV product really that good? Does listening to Dick Vitale scream about how there aren't enough seniors for the 20th year in a row or Jay Bilas talk about how long guys are make a big difference? I feel like almost everyone always complains that there is way too much time between picks anyway. I think the thread is better when there's more time to talk about and react to the actual picks/trades, rather than absurdly drawn out TV show that accompanies it.

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs


Which draft child has is the most likely to have a breakdown like Royce White or Larry Sanders?

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


old dog child posted:

I am not sure how to feel about this. Am I wrong for thinking that Okafor would be the better pick if the Lakers don't trade?

My knowledge extends about as far as youtube highlights and some articles so I am on the fence about taking Russell.

I don't think they can really go wrong either way. Okafor is really good, they're not that far apart. I saw Russell a lot more so that might be some of it. They're both going to be great offensive players (and I think Okafor has the lower floor of the two), I just think Russell is easier to hide defensively and easier to build a team around.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
:shrek:

MourningView posted:

14. Grant
20. Payne

Why grant over payne?

CISMALES DID 9-11
Jun 4, 2002

chaotic good STEM major; INTJ

MourningView posted:

My big board if anyone cares (I was gonna do a detailed one but then work and stuff):

1. Towns
2. Russell
3. Okafor
4. Hezonja
5. Muiday
6. Porzingas
7. Johnson
8. Turner
9. Winslow
10. Portis
11. WCS
12. Hunter
13. Booker
14. Grant
15. Kaminsky
16. Oubre
17. Jones
18. Dekker
19. Looney
20. Payne
21. Lyles
22. Harrell
23. Vaughn
24. Wood
25. Hollis-Jefferson
26. Mickey
27. Frazier
28. Wright
29. McCollugh
30. Brown

I like this. I'd probably do Okafor at 2 but that's Big Man Bias. Love Winslow at 9.

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:


chunkles posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWY6BOIO9I

Personally I don't care much for the actual draft but all the stupid rumors swirling around it are like catnip for me and I enjoy flipping out about all the dumb stuff the teams are or are not doing

The youtube comments are funnier than the stand up.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


Metapod posted:

Why grant over payne?

I think he's a better basketball player. Payne just kinda took off out of nowhere, Grant was higher the whole season. I think Grant is a better passer and athlete.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

The predictive stats really make me drool over Russell. I've unfortunately only saw what was arguably his worst game so that puts a little doubt in my mind but I know that's not logical, and also that saw him get double and triple teamed all night

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012


I'm a stubborn rear end in a top hat and think Okafor should still go 1st overall.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG




Really hoping my team drafts a basketball player tonight but you never know

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



Mayhaps Kristaps?

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

rabidsquid posted:

Really hoping my team drafts a basketball player tonight but you never know

I'm hoping we get a jai alai player with the 34th

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG




The Glumslinger posted:

I'm hoping we get a jai alai player with the 34th

That one guy who faked his vertical somehow is a baseball player I think

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:



Hand Knit posted:

I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious.
an elite NBA skill makes you an NBA player which is what you hope for at the end of the first round. He has Tony Allen-esque disruption potential

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

Hand Knit posted:

I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious.

He had one of the ugliest and least effective shots that I've ever seen. It was slowly corrected over his college career but it's not pro ready yet. He was legitimately one of the best defenders in college ball last year, but, defense seems to rarely transfer to the pros (he was a major part of the Russell lock down I mentioned).

With all that said I'm hoping the Lakers take him cuz I love the dude, so much energy, so atheletic, and his cuts to the basket are pretty (he can successfully put the ball into the rim when he's right under it).

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

straight up brolic posted:

an elite NBA skill makes you an NBA player which is what you hope for at the end of the first round. He has Tony Allen-esque disruption potential

The page said that despite elite defence he could fail to stick in the NBA, which is what gets me.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

Hand Knit posted:

The page said that despite elite defence he could fail to stick in the NBA, which is what gets me.

If he gets drafted by a team that needs everyone who plays to contribute to the offense, he might not make it.

Stick him on the Griz, Pacers or next to Lebron, maybe he doesn't need to score and maybe he sticks.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


I don't get why Willie Cauley-Stein's immunity to malaria is supposed to be bad.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

Henchman of Santa posted:

I don't get why Willie Cauley-Stein's immunity to malaria is supposed to be bad.

NBA worries about seeming too pompous in their expansion to South America.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
:shrek:

Hand Knit posted:

The page said that despite elite defence he could fail to stick in the NBA, which is what gets me.

If he is ann elite defender his shot doesn't matter. Examples: mkg, tony allen, and andre roberson

pylb
Sep 22, 2010

"The superfluous, a very necessary thing"


I thought RHJ was also good at getting to the line?

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014





I really hope that whoever the Sixers take pans out but it based on general comments I've seen a few people aren't totally sold on Russell, but maybe they're just clueless as the majority of fans want him. I can't tell whether his stock has really risen or fallen in the last few weeks compared to Porzingus getting a lot of praise based on his ceiling.

Let's say Russell goes second though -- do the Sixers take Okafor and try for three bigs, assuming Embiid ever plays? Do they trade down a spot or two? Do you trade Noel (I wouldn't, just saying) and a couple of the 2nd rounders to maybe get one of the non-Russell PGs? The Sixers desperately need one as evidenced by how much better Noel became after having someone who wasn't MCW on the court (but then in such a scenario he'd be gone so yeah). I guess I just hate the idea of taking Okafor and working out that problem later. I guess Okafor ends up being an insurance policy for Embiid at the worst. Sorry for the lovely stream of consciousness thoughts.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


The thing with Hollis-Jefferson is that if he's just "good" defensively rather than otherworldly then he becomes basically unplayable because his offense is so bad. It's really hard to get minutes as a wing who can't shoot these days. Mentioning a handful of exceptions (all of whom I think can occasionally border on being a net negative) doesn't change that.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

pylb posted:

I thought RHJ was also good at getting to the line?

He's not going to put the ball on the floor like a wing and generate a free throw out of thin air, but he positions himself on rebounds and makes good cuts so people foul in those situations (partly because at least initially he wasn't a good free throw shooter, although he did end up around the 70% mark by the end)

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

triple sulk posted:

I really hope that whoever the Sixers take pans out but it based on general comments I've seen a few people aren't totally sold on Russell, but maybe they're just clueless as the majority of fans want him. I can't tell whether his stock has really risen or fallen in the last few weeks compared to Porzingus getting a lot of praise based on his ceiling.

Let's say Russell goes second though -- do the Sixers take Okafor and try for three bigs, assuming Embiid ever plays? Do they trade down a spot or two? Do you trade Noel (I wouldn't, just saying) and a couple of the 2nd rounders to maybe get one of the non-Russell PGs? The Sixers desperately need one as evidenced by how much better Noel became after having someone who wasn't MCW on the court (but then in such a scenario he'd be gone so yeah). I guess I just hate the idea of taking Okafor and working out that problem later. I guess Okafor ends up being an insurance policy for Embiid at the worst. Sorry for the lovely stream of consciousness thoughts.

For what it's worth, Chad Ford said he thought the 76ers really want Mudiay and everything else is an attempt to get picks from teams who want Russell.

MourningView posted:

The thing with Hollis-Jefferson is that if he's just "good" defensively rather than otherworldly then he becomes basically unplayable because his offense is so bad. It's really hard to get minutes as a wing who can't shoot these days. Mentioning a handful of exceptions (all of whom I think can occasionally border on being a net negative) doesn't change that.
That's exactly right. Roberson killed OKC's offense to a hilarious degree, even if he was a really good defender. He and Tony Allen both miss layups that you would never expect a professional basketball player to miss.

MKG is an elite finisher and his jumper isn't broken anymore, that's why he was chosen second rather than 22nd. The bulk of the defensive specialist guys who can't do anything on offense are in Greece or in the d-league.

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 25, 2015

pylb
Sep 22, 2010

"The superfluous, a very necessary thing"


Sam Smith is saying the Knicks and Nuggets are talking about a #4 for #7 + Nurkic trade.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


Dejan Bimble posted:

For what it's worth, Chad Ford said he thought the 76ers really want Mudiay and everything else is an attempt to get picks from teams who want Russell.

Huh, I hadn't seen that. I had heard that they really liked Russell and the Porzingas thing was a smokescreen to get trade offers from people who liked him. Mudiay does seem like the kind of guy they tend to target, but man at some point you need someone who can shoot the ball.

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

I tell you the truth: one of you chumps will betray me


pylb posted:

Sam Smith is saying the Knicks and Nuggets are talking about a #4 for #7 + Nurkic trade.

I could almost support that for the Knicks, seeing as how they need multiple competent players.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming


chunkles posted:

I could almost support that for the Knicks, seeing as how they need multiple competent players.

They can still get a really good dude at 7. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:



MourningView posted:

Huh, I hadn't seen that. I had heard that they really liked Russell and the Porzingas thing was a smokescreen to get trade offers from people who liked him. Mudiay does seem like the kind of guy they tend to target, but man at some point you need someone who can shoot the ball.
not being able to shoot is the new market inefficiency, Sixers are taking Hollis-Jefferson and Mudiay

the mean lunch lady
Jun 24, 2009

went mad at sea
lots were drawn
Kroenke didn't survive
he was delicious


Henchman of Santa posted:

I don't get why Willie Cauley-Stein's immunity to malaria is supposed to be bad.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/traits.html

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:


Hand Knit posted:

I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html

Here's a draft. You can change around the years. Sort by winshares and look at how quickly talent falls off. Drafting at 20 means you're likely getting a player that will contribute only minorly.

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pylb
Sep 22, 2010

"The superfluous, a very necessary thing"


chunkles posted:

I could almost support that for the Knicks, seeing as how they need multiple competent players.

Well it's Sam Smith so I don't know if there's really anything to it.

But I don't think it would be a bad deal if the Knicks don't particularly love any of the guys available at #4. Nurkic looked pretty good last year. a lot better than McDermott

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