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WrightOfWay posted:Barst is so close to being really good. He's got passable bases and good growths but not having C axes really robs him of the opportunity to get 3 or 4 easy levels with a hammer on this and the next map to jump start his stats. His bases are just low enough that it takes quite a bit of work to use him on Lunatic. I've heard that. I've never done a Lunatic playthrough myself, though. Isn't everyone after Chapter 10 or so more or less statistically useless on that mode? I remember hearing that Ellerean is pretty much the last barely viable character you get.
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It always seemed to me in these games that unless the character was 1. a non-promoted class and 2. recruited before a specific chapter, then it was pointless to really use them as you would have to feed them too many kills to level them and make them a viable member of your team, and even then you have to hope the rng gods give you good levels.
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Mar 3, 2015 06:00
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Dang. That's some quality level for a first-timer. And... Steve has capped speed. That makes sense.
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Glazius posted:Dang. That's some quality level for a first-timer.
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LordHippoman posted:I've heard that. I've never done a Lunatic playthrough myself, though. With judicious use of the Training Grounds, Minerva can still be viable, not that you have any choice in the matter if you want a perfect run. Additionally many late-joining characters show up with insane growth rates, so a few feeder levels can bring them up to "okay", but you should hope to never be in that situation.
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LordHippoman posted:I've heard that. I've never done a Lunatic playthrough myself, though. There are a few units that are at least useable with some work like Darros, Jake and Katarina and Xane and Nagi are good with zero effeort but for the most part units past 10 are more useful for the weapons they bring with them than the units themselves.
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Those two cavs and the horseman that show up together and have one line of dialogue between them or something come to mind as particularly useless.
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Darth TNT posted:Books were like Steve's weights. Without them he's fast than the eye can see. She. I never get tired of seeing people get tripped up by that name. 
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W.T. Fits posted:She. I'm getting tired of being the only one who constantly trips up, this is like the fourth time. 
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Darth TNT posted:I'm getting tired of being the only one who constantly trips up, this is like the fourth time. I have to go back and check updates for it sometimes. I'll also admit to occasionally leaving a "Chris" in there from transcribing dialogue using Serenes' script, since that's the default name. I usually do a Find/Replace with "Chris" and "Steve" just in case, but the "he" sometimes sneaks in.
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Update 17: Any Number Of Puns Involving The Word Lang Alright, time to actually deal with Lang. This has been a long time coming, so the game doesn't want to gently caress around.  There's not even any dialogue before the chapter starts.  This map is a little different than any of the previous ones.  This building is full of locked items. Chests and doors. They can be unlocked by their corresponding keys, or with Julian/Rickard. Speaking of Rickard, he's the thief in that screenshot. Here's one nice thing about waiting to recruit Rickard, he's not taking up a deploy slot in the map with tons of locks.  Oh, see this guy? gently caress this guy. This is a Swarm Bishop. He's basically the magic equivalent of a balista. Let's move onto How's Everyone.  (This is a good blink)        Fascinating. More words, incoming.  Steve makes the most sumptuous pastries (Malicia 2)   : He was just toying with me... : Oh yes... I've heard the story. You told Sir Jagen you were going to marry Prince Marth and asked to meet him privately. It's no surprise you made Sir Jagen furious...Furious Jagen would be a pretty good screen name. : But, Prince Marth looked at me with such sparkling eyes. And even Granny was fooled, too... Ohh... Prince Marth played with my pure, innocent heart...I haven't gotten to use this in way too long:  : What? No, that's not true. Stop making such outrageous claims. I can't let you spread strange rumors about my liege.: But, it was my first love... Sniff, sniff.: Don't cry... All right, come on. I'll buy you a pastry, so please stop crying.Where are you going to find one in Lang's evil castle? : Don't treat me like a kid. I'm a grownup! ...The pastry has to be sweet, got it?: You do want it, don't you?: I like sweet pie, like Granny used to make...: All right. I'll do what I can. So cheer up, okay?: Thanks Steve. You're on my side, aren't you?: Huh?: You're right. What matters now is how Prince Marth and I feel about each other! I won't give up just because that old sack of bones won't allow it. Thank you, Steve. I'll do my best!: Oh dear, how do I fix this mess now?Admittedly, that was a pretty good support. His name is Guard backwards (Draug 1).  : Steve, how are things?: Very well, sir.: You don't need to be so formal with me. You're not an apprentice anymore. Here, we are both comrades protecting Prince Marth together. Draug is pretty boring. So much so I didn't even have a portrait uploaded for him, despite him appearing first in...Prologue 6? : Yes, thank you very much. But you're such a humble man, Sir Draug. Despite your strength and valor, you don't brag at all. : Oh, I'm not that strong...: No, Sir Draug, you are a hero. I wasn't wise to the details before, because I came from the countryside. But now that I'm traveling the lands and hearing stories about the previous war, I'm continually impressed. They speak of Sir Draug the hero, who repelled all of his foes with his impenetrable defense... : Well, rumors are often exaggerated...: Sir Draug, I'll do my best every day to get close to your level. : Well, enthusiasm is good. Work hard, Steve.Furious Jagen   : Therein lies Lang, oppressor of the people, the one who led General Lorenz to death, and kidnapper of the Grustian children... It's time for us to punish him for his sins. And then we shall return to Altea, and reclaim our homeland from Archanea. The Sepia Swordsman  : About Prince Marth? Or about our next battle?Steve's Marth obsession has reached the point where she seems to think she knows more about him than his fiancee. Or she just can't tell that's Caeda. No vision and all.   Navarre (Nabarl if you live in one of those fancy Europe places) is a myrmidon from the first game. He was sort of the prototypical swordsmaster, fragile but with high critical rates and really good speed. If you're familiar with Guy, Joshua, Zihark, Lon'qu, etc., you know Navarre, really. : Navarre... I've heard that name before. He's a remarkable swordsman, right?  : Yes. But Navarre was our ally in the last war, so I'm sure he'll understand if I talk to him.  Dick joke. : S-So that's how you persuaded him?: Hmm? Yes, why? Steve, if you happen to meet Navarre, let me talk to him... please.I am...not sure why Steve is so bothered by that?  Preliminary lineup for this chapter.  So, I just realized we got Caeda at the end of Chapter 4, but I totally forgot to show her until right now. Here she is. Like I said way back in the third update, Caeda's not the goddess of death she was in Shadow Dragon, but that doesn't mean she's not good. The Wing Spear, her exclusive weapon, works just like Marth's Rapier, supereffective on horses and armored units. I decided to do a little Drill Grounds grinding for two of our newest characters.   And, that's about all the lead up for this chapter. Next time, Nest of Evil.
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With Steven being female, does that mean Nabarl will ignore her if she is close?
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Darth TNT posted:With Steven being female, does that mean Nabarl will ignore her if she is close? It'd be nice if this were the case, but Navarre is a giant hypocrite and will cut down even the daintiest lady. Case in point, his introduction in FE1/11 was him chasing down Lena for a group of bandits.
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SC Bracer posted:It'd be nice if this were the case, but Navarre is a giant hypocrite and will cut down even the daintiest lady. Case in point, his introduction in FE1/11 was him chasing down Lena for a group of bandits. was it a rousing game of sword-tag
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Darth TNT posted:With Steven being female, does that mean Nabarl will ignore her if she is close? Just assume that everyone in FE is criminally stupid and murderous until you recruit them. In the first game Mathis would stab his sister to death while whining about how he missed his sister. I was really surprised Barst and Rickard didn't do it in this one. I can actually only think of two cases where units will not attack specific characters, both in FE10 (Big spoilers for Radiant Dawn) Dheginsea won't attack Kurthnaga, Oliver will recruit...himself if you get Rafiel close to him.
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There's also the infamous FE6 chapter where Klein's AI can have him shoot his underlings, his sister, or just not move at all, scuppering any plans you might have made.
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SC Bracer posted:There's also the infamous FE6 chapter where Klein's AI can have him shoot his underlings, his sister, or just not move at all, scuppering any plans you might have made. Last time I did that chapter he, for some reason, only shot at my clerics, including his sister. Klein loving hates priests.
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LordHippoman posted:Just assume that everyone in FE is criminally stupid and murderous until you recruit them. In the first game Mathis would stab his sister to death while whining about how he missed his sister. I was really surprised Barst and Rickard didn't do it in this one. You're forgetting Zihark in Path of Radiance, he'll ignore your Laguz, the same units required to recruit him, making him the easiest variant of Navarre to recruit prior to Lon'qu being a plotline recruitment (though purists would claim that not having to recruit him from the enemy side disqualifies Lon-qu from Navarre clone status, though those same purists would insist on "Nabarl"). Additionally, familial or other especially close bonds will generally keep characters from fighting one another in Radiant Dawn (this only really happens during Chapter 3). The only specific example I can think of is Meg and Brom in Chapter 3-Final, where neither of them will attack the other under any circumstance, should they run into each other, but I'm sure there are at least a couple others.
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I would argue recruitment counts as attacking from the player POV
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EclecticTastes posted:You're forgetting Zihark in Path of Radiance, he'll ignore your Laguz, the same units required to recruit him, making him the easiest variant of Navarre to recruit prior to Lon'qu being a plotline recruitment (though purists would claim that not having to recruit him from the enemy side disqualifies Lon-qu from Navarre clone status, though those same purists would insist on "Nabarl"). I also remember Zihark and Ilyana not attacking each other in the chapter they're on opposing sides. Don't quite remember if it requires that they had a support in PoR.
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it happens with lots of characters on either side of the DB split. there's a big list here: http://serenesforest.net/radiant-dawn/characters/non-attacking-units/ it's not just an AI thing too, you literally don't get the option if you're the player trying to do it, as i recall the gist is that zihark and jill staying with the DB brigade was a hard sell
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LordHippoman posted:Just assume that everyone in FE is criminally stupid and murderous until you recruit them. In the first game Mathis would stab his sister to death while whining about how he missed his sister. I was really surprised Barst and Rickard didn't do it in this one. My first FE game was Radiant Dawn, so I always expect a lot from the other "better" FE's.
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In Blazing Blade, Lloyd won't attack Nino in Cog of Destiny (thought Linus will, if he's the boss). I think this is the only enemy to be scripted this way in the GBA series. EDIT: Also that bearded guy in FE6, Douglas? He won't attack your Bard/Dancer.
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Kajeesus posted:In Blazing Blade, Lloyd won't attack Nino in Cog of Destiny (thought Linus will, if he's the boss). I think this is the only enemy to be scripted this way in the GBA series.
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In Nabarrle's defence though, have you seen the size of these map sprites? It's probably safest not to make any assumptions before you see a mug or something. 
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vilkacis posted:In Nabarrle's defence Crap, now I have to start brainstorming nicknames for him. Barlvarrenar Navarles Barlkly Varrebarl i'm gonna call samto not-varre and nobody can stop me
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LordHippoman posted:
Caeda just goes up to the deadly swordsman in their enemy's ranks and is like "JOIN OUR TEAM OR STAB ME NOW". Pretty sure Steve's justified in being surprised by that lack of self-preservation
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booksnake posted:Caeda just goes up to the deadly swordsman in their enemy's ranks and is like "JOIN OUR TEAM OR STAB ME NOW". Pretty sure Steve's justified in being surprised by that lack of self-preservation She goes up to everyone and does that. I even saw her try it on an empty suit of armor.
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She tries it as a phantom in Awakening's DLC. It fails SPECTACULARLY when she uses speaks to certain other characters in the franchise.
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LordHippoman posted:Navarles Barlkly  If you can't merc with the best, then... go irk the rest? I dunno, I'm a b-baller, not a poet. vilkacis fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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vilkacis posted:
You forgot the most important part.
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vilkacis posted:
Putting these in the OP. This thread was now entirely worth it.
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So bonus points for on-site thief, minus points for artillery clerics?
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vilkacis posted:
I'm voting this thread a five right now!
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Glazius posted:So bonus points for on-site thief, minus points for artillery clerics? Pretty much. It's also worth mentioning that if Rickard takes something from the chest and I recruit him afterwards, he'll still have it, it doesn't magically disappear or anything. And luckily, Swarm, while annoying as hell, isn't nearly as bad as the Berserk Staves from some earlier entries in the series. Turning your own units against you in a game with permadeath was a good way to force a reset or lose a character because suddenly that warrior your bishop was healing wants to cleave him in two. Also might not be able to update this week because all of a sudden my real life came back and reminded me I have incoming midterms. LordHippoman fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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If you can't merc with the best, then you'd best shirk the quest.
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vilkacis posted:
You are a beautiful, beautiful man.
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Porpoise.  (Thanks.)
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Hi, I'm still swamped with midterms, so the next update isn't here yet, but in the meantime, I just wanted to share some of the majesty of the old portraits for FE1.  This is the portrait for Bord and Cord. They actually shared one.  Draug is rocking the "<_<" look.  Catria is very peeved at something off to the right.  Oh. It must be that...baby? Can you guess who this is? It's Arran, unrecognizable without his righteous cowlick And I'll end this in as fitting a manner as I can. 
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