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Heavy Metal posted:I always found it weird when JR would call a punch or something "carcinogenic" too, it's like... isn't that too scientific to use as a metaphor? I've always been of the opinion that a blood feud like Rollins/Ambrose needs to pay off either after Rollins becomes champion or he fails to cash in MITB. And this finish leaves their feud unfinished while Rollins will now continue to go after the title and Bray Wyatt will hopefully be revitalized with Dean Ambrose. If there had of been a clean win here what the hell would Dean be moving on to anyways.
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Oct 27, 2014 20:13
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Le Saboteur posted:If there had of been a clean win here what the hell would Dean be moving on to anyways. bray wyatt after he does the same thing after the match is over and dean won
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Oct 27, 2014 20:15
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Le Saboteur posted:If there had of been a clean win here what the hell would Dean be moving on to anyways. Pin Rollins, celebrate for a minute, then do the spooky ghost thing. It's not that hard. If you don't give payoff to a prolonged program that gets Hell in a Cell and the main event slot (when it never main events normally) then when are you supposed to expect a payoff? If Wrestlemania is the only show to do it it makes the rest of the year meaningless.
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And even if Ambrose doesn't get a triumphant moment here, this wasn't great for Rollins either. I'm cool with Rollins winning dirty, but at least actually do that, something that makes Rollins look good. This finish doesn't help Rollins or Ambrose. Rollins doesn't get to hit his move, it might as well have been the fingerpoke of doom. He looks about as strong as Hogan did there. Cheating and being lucky yes, that works, this doesn't work for me. Plus you can still feud them for the belt later even if they had a clean finish or two previously. Since I think Brock will have the belt up to WrestleMania, which is a while away, Ambrose and Rollins should be able to have satisfying moments along the way too. Another thing is, this is so much like a repeat of Bryan getting screwed from Summerslam to Wrestlemania last year. If all you can do is drag a thing out, I don't think that's the best way to write something. They could easily have had a more definitive finish last night and came up with a way to renew or continue Ambrose/Seth whenever they wanted. If they don't want to do it yet, why keep on teasing that they are doing it? If they're not doing it, save it for later and do something now that they are actually willing to commit to now. Building is good, but it can't all be 100% building and saving for later, it's not worthwhile.
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ambrose on top of cell "do you ever remember starting a hell in a cell match like this john??" "no!" http://i.imgur.com/UeHM6C7.jpg
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Oct 27, 2014 21:22
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sk posted:ambrose on top of cell He meant starting a Cell match while wearing a shoulder scabbard.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:bray wyatt after he does the same thing after the match is over and dean won Except then he'd be done with Rollins with no point to come back to it. Let's be real you people were ready to poo poo all over the ending regardless because your only other Seth winning option was CORPORATE KANE.
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Oct 27, 2014 21:44
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Xenoletum posted:Except then he'd be done with Rollins with no point to come back to it. Let's be real you people were ready to poo poo all over the ending regardless because your only other Seth winning option was CORPORATE KANE. The whole point of HIAC is supposed to be that it keeps outside interference from dicking with the match so a face can actually get payoff against a heel who's been ducking him and hiding behind his help. We got 4 loving people interfering in that match if you don't count the ghost.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:35
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You gotta count the ghost. It helped distract Ambrose so Bray could bowl him over.
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I want the shoulder scabbard to be a normal part of Ambrose's entrance now. Or for him to like come to the ring with a bag of weapons like Steve Blackman.
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Liquid Communism posted:The whole point of HIAC is supposed to be that it keeps outside interference from dicking with the match so a face can actually get payoff against a heel who's been ducking him and hiding behind his help. We got 4 loving people interfering in that match if you don't count the ghost. Yes, the storied tradition of non-interference of Hell in a Cell.  edit: Also 2 of the 4 barely interfered before the match even started, and Kane gets a pass for how to dick someone over without actually entering the cell. Really we should blame the Chioda for not checking to see if anyone was hiding under the ring before locking it up... OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Just because one guy gets a clean pin on his rival to give a satisfying, definitive end to a chapter of a feud, that does not preclude those two people from renewing their rivalry later down the line. For gently caress's sake, we just got Cena vs. Orton #117 last night.
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DeepDickPizza posted:Just because one guy gets a clean pin on his rival to give a satisfying, definitive end to a chapter of a feud, that does not preclude those two people from renewing their rivalry later down the line. It makes no sense for them to blow it off now and stoke it up again for WrestleMania.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:50
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ayn rand hand job posted:It makes no sense for them to blow it off now and stoke it up again for WrestleMania. Why not?
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DeepDickPizza posted:Why not? You get 2, maybe 3 PPVs worth of a build for WM. What exactly is Seth Rollins going to do Dean Ambrose in that span to have a big match at WM XXXI?
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Oct 27, 2014 23:01
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ayn rand hand job posted:You get 2, maybe 3 PPVs worth of a build for WM. He'd have to start with killing 3 or 4 guys to ensure he's not in the sub-10 minute match he'd get at Mania right now if everyone who's supposed to return returns.
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Isn't it more likely that they're going to save Rollins for Roman Reigns? It seemed like a move so that Ambrose/Wyatt feud, Rollins will probably feud with Orton for a while and keep him warm for Reigns. I think it would've been a little more satisfying if Ambrose got the pin and then Wyatt attacks. But I guess we'll see where they're going when Raw airs.
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DrVenkman posted:Isn't it more likely that they're going to save Rollins for Roman Reigns? It seemed like a move so that Ambrose/Wyatt feud, Rollins will probably feud with Orton for a while and keep him warm for Reigns. Do people really think that Reigns/Rollins is going to happen again? They just had a feud which ended with Roman pinning Rollins clean on RAW before he had surgery. Would seem odd to have it again once he comes back.
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Xenoletum posted:Except then he'd be done with Rollins with no point to come back to it. Let's be real you people were ready to poo poo all over the ending regardless because your only other Seth winning option was CORPORATE KANE. you're right angles should never end
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Malt posted:Do people really think that Reigns/Rollins is going to happen again? They just had a feud which ended with Roman pinning Rollins clean on RAW before he had surgery. Would seem odd to have it again once he comes back. Yeah. They'll just chalk it up to unfinished business or whatever. I mean, we saw Lesnar decimate Cena and we're on track for their third match soon.
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Malt posted:Do people really think that Reigns/Rollins is going to happen again? They just had a feud which ended with Roman pinning Rollins clean on RAW before he had surgery. Would seem odd to have it again once he comes back. They were supposed to have a rematch on the ppv that following sunday, so probably, yeah.
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Jackie D posted:They were supposed to have a rematch on the ppv that following sunday, so probably, yeah. it's possible they knew Reigns needed surgery so they did the PPV match a week early
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Oct 27, 2014 23:22
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He was rushed to the hospital from his hotel room because he didn't know about it so that doesn't really add up
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Jackie D posted:He was rushed to the hospital from his hotel room because he didn't know about it so that doesn't really add up #assquestions
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sk posted:ambrose on top of cell Wow that cell looks way smaller than the one last night. Or at least not as tall.
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Auron posted:Wow that cell looks way smaller than the one last night. Or at least not as tall. They made it bigger to accommodate small dudes doing flying moves off the top ropes. And no hell in a cell match has ever ended with interference or has left the cage before nope never ever ever ever.
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Xenoletum posted:They made it bigger to accommodate small dudes doing flying moves off the top ropes. Keep beating this drum dude, you're totally going to convince everyone. Really.
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ayn rand hand job posted:You get 2, maybe 3 PPVs worth of a build for WM. I suppose there's the option to flip it; have Ambrose cost Rollins the title, then Rollins be the one chasing him.
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I didn't get to watch the PPV until just now and I feel like I just went through the biggest letdown of a rollercoaster. I was so loving behind the show. Not a single bad match on the card. And then a ghost appeared and now I'm just pissed. I wanted to remember the show as the time that Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins tore the house down and made themselves stars forever. We were literally 15 seconds from that. ...gently caress
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Baby Babbeh posted:I want the shoulder scabbard to be a normal part of Ambrose's entrance now. Or for him to like come to the ring with a bag of weapons like Steve Blackman. Make Dean Ambrose new gimmick Casey Jones.
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Auron posted:Wow that cell looks way smaller than the one last night. Or at least not as tall. Yeah in 2006 when they had the 2v3 HIAC of DX vs McMahons and Big Show, they made the new giant 25' cube Cell and have kept it.
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StarkRavingMad posted:Keep beating this drum dude, you're totally going to convince everyone. Really. xenoletum doesn't care about convincing people, he acts like a smug rear end in a top hat about everything
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the hologram thing didn't even look good. I'm no longer surprised at lovely finishes in general but what the gently caress
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I'm still laughing at that stupid loving theme song. WELCOME TO THE PANIC ROOM IT'S MY DARK PLACE HulkaMatt posted:Obviously they can do something in storyline to rehab this - but as of right now it's loving frustrating to have paid for another show with a poo poo finish. DeepDickPizza posted:For gently caress's sake, we just got Cena vs. Orton #117 last night. Seth needed that shady win. Dean did not need that clean win. It was not a non-finish like the DQ we've seen, and it's legit under the stip rules anyway. I think this new direction is interesting, and I'm glad Ambrose/Rollins isn't over.
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sticklefifer posted:Yeah, and everyone loves that so much. The IWC by default hates if any combination of wrestlers fight each other more than twice a year and then posts their Cagematch stats to prove how many times they had Superstars matches they didn't even watch. When Ambrose/Rollins is thrown away on a random Raw in the future because their feud already finished, nobody cares. When they get to resume unfinished business, everybody cares. I have seen this happen dozens of times and people still complain regardless of the outcome, because we like to complain about wrestling. This is really dumb and you're exaggerating. When you see the same loving thing over and over again it becomes boring. People have a right to get irritated over the same content. sticklefifer posted:See, that's exactly the problem. I know it's annoying to hear "wait and see" but it's like nobody wants to do either of those things anymore. "Wait and see" used to mean "watch how the feud/angle plays out to completion" and now it means "wait at least wait one goddamn day to see how the Raw fallout covers it". I've been around the IWC long enough to know that people don't want to wait, and I do kinda get that, but it's gotten to the point where people don't want to SEE either. Instead they just want to poop and poop. Instead of wait and see it's immediate poopshitfartcry. My thoughts is not "THE IWC". This feud has been going on for nearly 5 months. It has been WAIT AND SEE for the last 5 months. In this day and age with several TV shows and everyone on every show - that's a long time. The HIAC is - and I'm pretty sure we can all agree: the BLOWOFF MATCH OF ALL BLOWOFF MATCHES. IT IS THE FEUD ENDING MATCH. They didn't give us a finish in this match because they decided "well let's wait a little longer". Dean Ambrose is going to feud with Bray Wyatt. Seth Rollins is going to feud with Randy Orton. They are going to put this feud on the backburner now after doing the biggest match they could have possibly done. If they decide to start this feud again several months down the line - it is very unlikely that it is going to get any hotter than it is right now. Also: In what way did Rollins need that win? He has won every match in the feud and is about to face a guy who also lost on the show. He needed it so he could say "I won and you didn't?" Great stuff.
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HulkaMatt posted:Also: In what way did Rollins need that win? He has won every match in the feud and is about to face a guy who also lost on the show. He needed it so he could say "I won and you didn't?" Great stuff.
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HulkaMatt posted:When you see the same loving thing over and over again it becomes boring. People have a right to get irritated over the same content. HulkaMatt posted:The HIAC is - and I'm pretty sure we can all agree: the BLOWOFF MATCH OF ALL BLOWOFF MATCHES. Did Orton/Bryan 2013 end anything? Did Punk/Ryback 2012 end their feud? Did Alberto/Cena/Punk 2011 end the Cena/Alberto title feud or keep Punk out of the title scene? Even Punk/Heyman wasn't blown off until the following Raw. The last time it really ended a major grudge feud was Kane/Undertaker 2010, and only because Paul Bearer used a magic spotlight to blind Taker. The other HIAC on that card had zero reason to be in the Cell, and most others are the same way. So no, we can't all agree on that because it would be outright silly to. quote:Also: In what way did Rollins need that win? He has won every match in the feud and is about to face a guy who also lost on the show. He needed it so he could say "I won and you didn't?" Great stuff. When a face wins, they typically have no more business to attend to. When Ambrose loses, he gets more pissed off and he's still over as gently caress. When Seth loses, he's no longer the whiny "lol I won" rear end in a top hat, and right now he's the top heel so he should stay the whiny "lol I won" rear end in a top hat, instead of losing heat by losing a decisive feud. When the Authority wins, people want to continue seeing someone topple them. When Seth won and Randy lost, it sparked Randy's whole angry followup on Raw where he was more interesting than he's been in years. Look, I have problems with WWE. I'm not saying I don't. They have MAJOR flaws. But the constant gloom and doom because of what people THINK is going to happen is tiresome, as is the whining when what they THINK is going to happen doesn't. Plenty of people were fine with the villain escaping to live another day, but dissenters act like that's just wrong by default or is an opinion only held by apologists. A large portion of this PPV was entertaining and full of really solid matches, especially for the price if you have a Network subscription - and if you don't, why pay $50+/month if it's that easy to shake your enjoyment?
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