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TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Drone posted:

Are you gonna puppet Canada or just outright annex it Turtledove-style?

If you annex and release, does it get a special Syndicalist tag / name / flag like they sometimes do?

Yeah, Canada - for some reason - has a dedicated Syndie tag. Not many countries get that. There's also Syndie Quebec.

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paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW

TheMcD posted:

Yeah, Canada - for some reason - has a dedicated Syndie tag. Not many countries get that. There's also Syndie Quebec.

Prolly because they're right next to and extremely likely to go to war with the potential CSA.

Kulkasha
Jan 15, 2010

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Likchenpa.
AMERICA WILL GROW LARGER

ANNEX ANNEX ANNEX

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
I BUILD FOR AMERICA

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

paragon1 posted:

Prolly because they're right next to and extremely likely to go to war with the potential CSA.

Still, I'm not sure why there's a dedicated tag for them, since there's little to no situations that lead to mainland Canada falling, yet the state still somehow existing somewhere else (as it is with Germany). To compare, see how Flandern-Wallonien changes to Belgium when released by the Commune - that's not a separate tag, just a rename and flag change. I figured that would have been enough for Canada.

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there
We shall live in prosperity!

Jimmy4400nav
Apr 1, 2011

Ambassador to Moonlandia

Kulkasha posted:

AMERICA WILL GROW LARGER

ANNEX ANNEX ANNEX


Chief Savage Man posted:

I BUILD FOR AMERICA

:911:EXTRA LARGE! :patriot:

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Personally I am a little curious about the PSA, as they seem to have the least characterization in comparison to the other American factions, they seem to be very similar to America in comparison to the other options at first glance. Do they really have any cool events or defining traits? I like how each of the other systems can go astray and how they were formed the PSA at least from reading through the LP seems half baked in execution. Is there a place I could read more on them the Wiki site for Kaisereich has no section on them.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW

TheMcD posted:

Still, I'm not sure why there's a dedicated tag for them, since there's little to no situations that lead to mainland Canada falling, yet the state still somehow existing somewhere else (as it is with Germany). To compare, see how Flandern-Wallonien changes to Belgium when released by the Commune - that's not a separate tag, just a rename and flag change. I figured that would have been enough for Canada.

Oh sorry, when you said tag I thought you meant rename and flag change. :downs:

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


The idea is that the west, California mainly, has done much better than the east economically through trade on the Pacific, and has become kind of alienated from the rest of the country. So when poo poo starts going down, the idea of independence is palatable and workable in a way it isn't for the rest of the country.

As for why any of the factions respect that neutrality if Canada or someone else doesn't sweep in to secure them, go figure.

paragon1 posted:

Oh sorry, when you said tag I thought you meant rename and flag change. :downs:

The extra tag may be from HoI 2- I don't know if you could do renaming and flag changes back then. See Austro-Hungary and the Danubian Federation using two tags and requiring duplicates for basically loving everything.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Seems like in the way the Americas are going pretty soon we'll have the dissolution of country boundaries anyway - in our grand idealist socialist world there is no need for patriotism, the ultimate capitalist weapon of the 20th century (apart from money, that is). United Syndicalist Continent of America. Truly a better world.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

lenoon posted:

Seems like in the way the Americas are going pretty soon we'll have the dissolution of country boundaries anyway - in our grand idealist socialist world there is no need for patriotism, the ultimate capitalist weapon of the 20th century (apart from money, that is). United Syndicalist Continent of America. Truly a better world.

From pole to shining pole!

:anarchists:

Kellsterik
Mar 30, 2012
Who all comprises the Entente right now? It seems like the North American situation would be cause for the whole alliance going all-in to defend Canada, but maybe they are and it's just not helping.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Kellsterik posted:

Who all comprises the Entente right now? It seems like the North American situation would be cause for the whole alliance going all-in to defend Canada, but maybe they are and it's just not helping.

Canada, Delhi, Australia, French Empire, Caribbean Federation, Guinea and Hawaii. Australia has tried the hardest and Caribbean Fed has had some guys around but the Empire and Delhi have the troops to actually maybe turn the tide if they had gone all in earlier but the AI doesn't really do that it seems. Mostly token efforts.

Grizzwold
Jan 27, 2012

Posters off the pork bow!
The AI in most paradox games is really bad at fighting overseas wars, so it's not that surprising. It would probably just be a temporary setback at this point anyhow.

Kellsterik
Mar 30, 2012
It's just disappointing that the Entente seems to have a problem recognizing "this is a really, really serious threat that we need to get on top of" and providing a strong challenge. It seems anticlimactic for Canada to more or less roll over (as I assume it will).

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Chief Savage Man posted:

Canada, Delhi, Australia, French Empire, Caribbean Federation, Guinea and Hawaii. Australia has tried the hardest and Caribbean Fed has had some guys around but the Empire and Delhi have the troops to actually maybe turn the tide if they had gone all in earlier but the AI doesn't really do that it seems. Mostly token efforts.

Are we going to bother kicking the Entente out of Hawaii?

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

Grizzwold posted:

The AI in most paradox games is really bad at fighting overseas wars, so it's not that surprising. It would probably just be a temporary setback at this point anyhow.

I played a game as Britain where France got absolutely demolished and Canada somehow managed to just run through and sink literally all my boats, so I just sat on the island and twiddled my thumbs.

While Japan made no progress in their own domain and Canada or France never actually did anything, I was incredibly surprised when the Germany army started ferrying across the channel to kick my poo poo in. Though that might just be left over scripting or something for the Battle of Britain.

ArchRanger
Mar 19, 2007
I'm tired of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with 'em there.

Most games of Kaiserreich I play the Australians are waaaay more active overseas than any other AI in the game. When I try to unite India as the Bhartiya Commune by the time I'm done at least half the soldiers I fought in Delhi were Australian with maybe a few Canadians and French Imperials mixed in. They also never stop trying to conduct amphibious assaults until I sink their entire fleet.

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

ArchRanger posted:

Most games of Kaiserreich I play the Australians are waaaay more active overseas than any other AI in the game. When I try to unite India as the Bhartiya Commune by the time I'm done at least half the soldiers I fought in Delhi were Australian with maybe a few Canadians and French Imperials mixed in. They also never stop trying to conduct amphibious assaults until I sink their entire fleet.

It really doesn't help that, in Kaiserreich, the Entente are spread across three continents - and none of them are Europe. Canada, Australasia, National France and their associated hangers-on could be a powerful force, but only if the AI knows how to use them. I honestly think that the Entente is definitely the weakest faction in Kaiserreich when under AI control.

A clever human can wrangle the USA and the rest of India into the Entente with well-timed and well-executed military adventures, but even that leaves a player in an awkward position because 1) the USA will be essentially stripped of military and thus take years to build up a useful force, 2) the AI is useless unless you control the whole thing, which even still leaves you running the risk that the USA will blow all its IC on dumb stuff, and 3) India really has no industry to speak of and is therefore totally incapable of utilizing its huge manpower.

E: Also, the Internationale can do the exact same thing, except in addition to India and the USA they can also pick up the USSR, Italy and Spain. To say nothing of minor members of Mitteleuropa or Balkan/Danubian states.

David Corbett fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Mar 25, 2015

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
The failure of the AI to coordinate all these nations in an overseas war is pretty realistic considering the nature of all the Entente countries - they are basically all 'old world' societies in overseas exile and are by far the most unstable of the alliances. Delhi has to deal with two ideologically hostile neighbours and National France has to survive as a minority white settler society ruling over loads of unhappy natives AND contend with the syndicalists a short hop across the Mediterranean. I don't see any of the Entente nations stripping their territories of troops to fight the world's most industrialised nation, except maybe Australia being relatively stable - so the dodgy AI makes sense from a story POV.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Australia has a chance of being couped by Syndicalists, it happened in one of my test games.

E: but yeah, I've never really seen them be invaded, but I've seen Britain invade Algeria sometimes.

csm141 fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Mar 25, 2015

Grizzwold
Jan 27, 2012

Posters off the pork bow!
Isn't it two? I know that one of the options for the early 'death of Stanley Bruce' event is to go syndicalist, and I think France gets a special coup event for them later. I might be misremembering, but I know that Japan and maybe Germany can also coup them.

Yeah the Entente is really just a bunch of minor powers trying to pretend they're relevant.

GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
The German coup of Australia event has always worked weirdly for me. Or at least the last time I saw it at least. It made Edward VIII the head of state, which seemed strange considering the event also entailed them joining Mitteleuropa. :v:

Edit: one time I saw both Russia and the US decide to join the Entente, which made them a fair bit scarier. Don't think they ended up doing anything with their newfound strength though.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

GSD posted:

The German coup of Australia event has always worked weirdly for me. Or at least the last time I saw it at least. It made Edward VIII the head of state, which seemed strange considering the event also entailed them joining Mitteleuropa. :v:

A reedy little intellectual nonentity like Edward VIII would probably have fit right in with a group of conservative monarchists and military men.

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

Zeroisanumber posted:

A reedy little intellectual nonentity like Edward VIII would probably have fit right in with a group of conservative monarchists and military men.

OTL Edward VIII may not have amounted to much, but Kaiserreich Edward VIII was forged in revolution and tempered in exile and is now a hard-line revanchist with an obsession for revenge that unites the nation and verges on monomania.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
So has the rest of the Internationale been doing anything against the Entente, or are you leaving that for an update?

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

paragon1 posted:

So has the rest of the Internationale been doing anything against the Entente, or are you leaving that for an update?

The French are bombing the piss out of Algeria but no land action. The Imperial French actually invaded Sicily at one point but then the power went out and I had to reload from an auto save and they didn't do it again. Kinda disappointed about that.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

The production AI kinda sucks through Pdox HOI series. In HOI3, America will inevitably decide to build infrastructure to max on remote islands it owns, build forts in the middle of America, build a terrifying amount of aircraft carriers, and similarly run itself completely out of manpower mass manufacturing mechanized divisions.

Sgt. Alex
Feb 5, 2015

A White Guy posted:

The production AI kinda sucks through Pdox HOI series. In HOI3, America will inevitably decide to build infrastructure to max on remote islands it owns, build forts in the middle of America, build a terrifying amount of aircraft carriers, and similarly run itself completely out of manpower mass manufacturing mechanized divisions.

Eh, it did the same in HoI2. Sailing the seven seas would regularly make you run into stacks of +70 US Carriers.

Add to that the fact that the AI has no range limit for its naval forces and, well, you get the idea.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

Chief Savage Man posted:

The French are bombing the piss out of Algeria but no land action. The Imperial French actually invaded Sicily at one point but then the power went out and I had to reload from an auto save and they didn't do it again. Kinda disappointed about that.

For some reason that's all the French seem to ever actually do.

They do it regularly, too.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Which French?

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
From now on, I'm using Good French and Bad French.

GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I always like when the French Nationalists restore the kingdom and Germany beats up the Commune and makes its own puppet monarchy, resulting in two entities called the Kingdom of France. The different flags distinguish them in pop ups, but as far as the log is concerned they are indistinguishable. :v:

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Chief Savage Man posted:

From now on, I'm using Good French and Bad French.

The Commune and Natty France.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

TheMcD posted:

Yeah, Canada - for some reason - has a dedicated Syndie tag. Not many countries get that. There's also Syndie Quebec.
Partition them and puppet both, imo

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Chapter Seventeen: The Red Continent (September-October 1940)

Pamphlet distributed throughout Canada by occupying forces by Red Army Bureau of Information.



Canadians!

We in the Combined Syndicates understand that this conflict has been an arduous experience for all North Americans. The Combined Syndicates did not wish for the recently ended war to happen, not so soon after our own bloody and terrible civil war. We chose the path of peace and equality among men and your former king decided to create an atmosphere of hostility and mistrust by imprisoning our brothers and sisters in New England and turning our Pacific countrymen against us. He was attempting to surround us and endanger our independence, to assist the tyrant MacArthur in destroying our proud American democracy. And now that his ploy has failed, he has abandoned you! He stole away to Australia in the middle of the night while your countrymen fought and died in his name!




He ordered your countrymen to attack their allies when the Pacific States expressed its desire to find peace with the Combined Syndicates, all while he sat safely in a new palace in Sydney.



He gave speeches urging the Royal Army to fight on, causing more pointless death even when he admitted through his own action that he did not believe they could win.





As if that wasn't enough of a crime, young men with their lives ahead of them were sent all the way around South America from their homes in the Caribbean or all the way across the Pacific from Australia to fight a hopeless battle, the only purpose of which was to inflate the ego of the departed king.



Your former leaders knew there was no hope, that the Red Army was too strong to be resisted. Our syndicalist way of life has allowed us to build one of the most powerful armies in the world, but it was never our desire to use it in anger against our neighbors. It is our desire to protect the Americas from foreign monarchs and imperialists. Why should Canada be used as a pawn in a European's schemes?



Let the other occupied states continue to fight and die in service to a man who would sacrifice your children in order to build his own stature. Canada ought to be free to rule itself.



This is why we have followed the advice of many Canadians in abolishing the monarchy in Canada.



We do not intend to conquer Canada and rule it as a province, like the British have done. The presence of our military in your home is a temporary measure to protect you from reactionaries who believe the status of one man is more important than the well being of a nation. We fully plan on withdrawing from all of Canada as soon as the situation permits it.



I claimed Newfoundland for use as a naval base.

You may have heard that the French-speaking people of Quebec have chosen to exist independently from the rest of Canada. This is not intended to weaken or divide the Canadian people. They wish to administrate their lives in the French language, while you will likely wish to administrate yours in English. Do not be alarmed by this new border. In the old world, borders were an artificial division used to divide people and further the schemes of the capitalist elite. In our new world, borders mean little. You will be able to work, live, visit and study in any part of North America, whether it flies the flag of Quebec or Canada or even the Combined Syndicates.



I absolutely love this flag.

If you do not live in Quebec, then you will be considered a citizen of the Socialist Republic of Canada, the newest member of the Organization of American Syndicates and the Internationale. If you wish to have a say in the foundation of a new and prosperous Canadian republic, then visit your local CTUC office to be directed towards the union that would best represent you. You may have been told many lies about the syndicalist way of life by the monarchist regime, but you will find it to be an equitable and just form of governance. No longer will you fear unemployment or starvation and no longer will your livelihood be subject to the whims of another man.



The unfortunate conflict has caused a great deal of damage across this continent. This concludes almost four years of fighting in North America, but now we are united and independent. North America will be for the North Americans and together, we will rebuild what was lost and forge a new trans-continental society that will be an example to the world. Let the monarchs in Europe resist the future, let the petty warlords and emperors of Asia squabble amongst themselves.



We, the North Americans, whether we speak English, French or Spanish, have the opportunity to lead the world into a new era of freedom. It is the sincere hope of the Combined Syndicates that you will join us in this most righteous endeavor.


This doesn't fit into the theme at all.

Here is an enormous album of a few years worth of techs and production stuff. (Carriers take forever.)

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


So up next after mopping up Caribbean Federation: Australia, or Europe?

Fighting in the Outback is drat annoying.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
North America is united under the Syndicate flag. The rest of the world might as well start flying the red banner now.

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David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.
Why are the Maritimes included in Québec? I mean I get that New Brunswick is officially bilingual, and that there are certainly Acadian communities remaining in Nova Scotia, but the area is mostly anglophone and in any case definitely not Québécois.

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