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Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Sounds interesting; I'd like to get in on this.

Do you need separate PMs for guesses and declarations of who we're communicating with, or can we just send you one? Are we allowed to change the person we're communicating with once we've told you, provided we do it before the end of the night? Are the words going to have a theme or commonality, or is that something we'll have to figure out on our own?

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Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Are we allowed to post our code/position in the open in the thread if we so choose?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Goddamn, that's a lot of replies very quickly.

I'm half-convinced we would have been better off starting during the night, because to my mind, the private communications seem very important.

Byers has already started building an alliance, which makes him immediately dangerous, as Sombrero points out (same with winvirus). On the other hand, Byers makes some good points against Sombrero, as well. Generally speaking, I feel like the first-day vote is halfway random, anyhow, since we're making it without a lot of knowledge.

I'm withholding my vote for now, due to not wanting to commit to screwing over someone with the tiebreaker rule.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Poque, what happens if the person you've chosen to communicate with gets voted out? Are you SOL, or are you allowed to switch? Are we allowed to declare a backup option (i.e. "Person X, unless they're voted out, in which case Person Y")?

My preference is the latter option, as it seems fairest to the people who can't be around at the deadline for a particular day (easy to get screwed by last-minute vote-switching).

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

My word is also not a dictionary word. Which makes sense, if you're running this game, and you want it to be a game of psychology and logic rather than lucky guessing on a dictionary attack. That being said, I suspect Sombrero is lying about his word being "an actual word."

Rarity, I find it interesting that you put forth what a snake in the grass Byers is, and then vote for winvirus. I suppose it makes sense from a "not wanting the guy Byers wants dead to die" perspective, but really, with so few votes already cast, it seems like it would make more sense for you to vote for Byers, start a bandwagon there.

All of that being said, I think the biggest threat night 1 has nothing to do with lurkers or logic; the biggest threat night 1 is psychology. The person who gets contacted by the most people is going to be able to form the biggest alliance, and have more knowledge than anyone else (since who contacts who isn't public knowledge). From what I've seen so far, our biggest threat from that perspective is Byers, so I am going to ##vote Byers2142.

I think Byers sees this exactly the same way I do, which is why he's painted winvirus as a wild card (i.e. "don't contact that guy, he's unreliable") and Somberbrero as aggressive and offputting (though Somberbrero hasn't done himself many favors in that department). He's also made a point of making himself seem well-reasoned and calm, most likely in an effort to get as many people to contact him as possible.

I suspect winvirus is just voting Somberbrero defensively, but if that's the case, I think he'd do himself a favor switching his vote to Byers.

I also admit to being at something of a disadvantage, this being my first mafia-style game on these forums.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Somberbrero posted:

Thanatosian, I know you have no reason to believe me, but I'm serious when I say that my word is an actual real word that you have seen before. I'm a little confused at the inclusion of nonsense words.
I didn't say "oh, Somberbrero is for-sure definitely lying." Just that I suspect it.

And not a dictionary word doesn't necessarily mean "nonsense words." It could be a proper noun, a combination of two smaller words, an onomatopoeia, etc.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

MildManeredManikin posted:

Not a fan of the constructed line drawing that's happened with Somber and Byers

Honestly, my plan was to vote Byers this round, and Somber next round, because I am inclined to agree.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

MildManeredManikin posted:

I would have gone in the other order, but yeah.
I figure Bryers is more likely to pick up more allies this round.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

I loving hate Third Way Democrats.

I want to be Team Not A Part Of Your System. Or Team Fight The Power.

At the very least, Team Socialist Alternative.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

winvirus posted:

Hal you should Contact Me tonight and I'll tell you my word !!

You're going to tell him your word just for contacting you?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Poque posted:

I appreciate this post because I realized I forgot about a rule! There is no editing of posts in the game. I appreciate that winvirus was in the spirit of the game by making his change in a subsequent post (which is totally fine). Adding to OP now!
For real? Goddammit.

I edit most of my posts at least 3-4 times. I will do my best to remember not to. I have totally done it in this thread already several times, though.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Poque posted:

ninja editing is mostly okay, especially if it's just for grammar/wording. Typical Trad Games rules have this in place so people can't deny having written stuff before.
Yeah, I can totally understand why. I'm just neurotic, and will have to suck it up and deal.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

If you look, you haven't done any edits yet in this thread that have stuck. Everyone ninjas for spelling and grammar.
Yeah, I know, but some of the time my "ninja" edits end up taking a couple of minutes. I just have to be more careful in here.

Again, I will pull through, somehow. The struggle is real.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Rarity posted:

Except sharing information means nothing because it's meaningless info. I've already said a bunch about my word and there's still not a chance any of you will guess it. All you're doing is trying to gain allies by pretending to give them important info that doesn't actually matter.

Presumably, once things are private, Byers plans to share more in exchange for other peoples' information.

I mean, you should still totally vote to eliminate him, but this isn't really a good reason why.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

You still think I'm going to get a lot of visitors tonight?
Yup.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

MildManeredManikin posted:

Yo thano, l'll call you tonight.

Winv, not sure whether you were being serious with me or not, but I'd appreciate a call from you.
Okay, but what about Team gently caress The Police?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

winvirus posted:

Wait, Nevermore, you managed to actually guess a word? So you have two words, now?

I think Nevermore is saying he didn't have to guess it, because he already knew it.

He only listed 13 and *'d his, so presumably it was on there.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

I am inclined to find last-minute voting/vote-switching to be in poor taste, personally. I don't know if that's common in the mafia games on these forums, but given that real life exists, and it doesn't provide an opportunity for people to defend themselves or convince people to vote for others, I think it sours the spirit of the game.

I recognize it's a fairly significant mechanical advantage, but given the constraints of playing this kind of game on a messageboard, in the name of sportsmanship I feel like giving people at least 3-4 hours is the right thing to do.

Though, if we get eight votes in in the last hour, I'm sure as hell not going to bring a vote-knife to a vote-gun fight.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

Most people are playing the wait and see approach. If they don't vote anyone, they don't make enemies.
Personally, all else being equal, I'm inclined to vote for people who don't vote. I feel like it's the bare minimum for participation in the game; quite literally the least you can do.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

winvirus posted:

You could prevent that by unvoting Byers so they wouldn't be able to last minute switch to him. Just a thought.
I'll be around at the close of day, and if there are shenanigans, I may very well do that.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

I'd disagree; it's not lurking, it's a strategy. Lurking implies that they're not playing, but by consciously withholding they're trying to avoid the blame for eliminations that happen.

Voting them for it is also a strategy to force them to stop hiding behind non-committal behaviors, but it's not the same as voting out a lurker. I'd do it as a self-preservation tactic right now for sure, but with the exception of merk who's out of the country I don't think anyone's been truly lurking thus far.

I think not voting makes for a worse game for a couple of reasons:

1) It makes for a more boring game; what's the point of having a 13-person game if five people are making all the decisions?

2) It makes it easier to game the votes at the last minute, since it's more likely for one or two votes to sway the margin.

On games I've played on other forums, there have generally been penalties for not voting, usually something like "if you miss two votes, your slot goes to someone on the waiting list." I can see why that wouldn't work in a game like this, though.

The other issue is that not voting is basically the same as voting for whoever has a plurality. I mean, right now, a non-vote is the same as a vote for winvirus, because at the very least, you don't care enough about him getting voted off to vote for somebody else (like, say, just as an example, Byers). And you can say not caring is somehow different from voting for him, but it's not, really, except that if you don't care, why play the game in the first place?

But if not voting is really an accepted strategy around these parts, I suppose I'll have to go along to get along.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

winvirus posted:

You would have to do it right now, or else they could both switch, putting him at 3, and then you unvote, putting him at 2, and due to tiebreaker rules, he would still be lynched, rather than the switcher (Somber/Rarity)

Not that it matters now, but previously, if I had switched my vote to Somberbrero, it would have put him in first. And since that would be the only way for my vote to be decisive, would have been what I'd done if I'd switched.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

It seems that Nevermore is fairly inevitable at this point.

I'm maintaining my Byers/Nader vote for later "told you so" purposes.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Here are mine:

COSPLAY
CRUMBLY
TITFUCK
BABYSIT
DISTEND
SWOLLEN
LAURELS
DRESDEN
COHABIT
COEXIST
ANALSEX
HEALING
GROPING

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

Jesus, tomorrow are you gonna try GAMERGATE, DEGLOVE, and rear end in a top hat? Oh, and NANKING, for the requisite WWII atrocity.
See, this is why I didn't want to share my list: the judgment.

Other people have indicated that their words are unusual, my word is unusual, so I figured I'd try some unusual words. Don't hate, bro.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

You realize that the only way you get to say "told you so" is if I win, right?
Yes.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

*pours one out for Nevermore214*

We hardly knew ye.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

You know we're still allowed to talk *in* the thread, right guys?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Byers2142 posted:

Yeah, but I was asleep, so unless you wanted me to sleep-post, it wasn't happening.

Yes, this is exactly what I want. I think it would substantially help my odds of winning.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

When this started, I was thinking "God, the days are so long."

Now that we're actually going with the contacts and everything, I feel like "God, the days are so short!"

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

winvirus posted:

Somb you are one of the very few people who remembered

Is it really your birthday?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Strong Mouse posted:

I'm on my phone right now, so I won't be checking pms for 5 hours.

Do you not have the Awful app?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Sooooooo... it looks like there are at least two three-person alliances.

Team Socialist Alternative will continue to fight the power.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Somberbrero posted:

It all looks very clandestine but I think it's just cliquey. What little interaction I've had was oriented around information exchange and had nothing to do with votes.
Right, but because of the way out-of-thread communication works in this game, the people you're partnered with PM-wise early on are going to be your natural coalition partners throughout the game.

Which puts you and Rarity on a team with this mysterious third person, and PoP, Winvirus, and Byers on another team. Clearly, both of those are possibly larger than that, but I hope not, because otherwise I'm hosed. Or maybe I hope so, because then I get to be kingmaker? Who knows. Or maybe the third is a connection between those two groups...

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Happy Birthday, Winvirus.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

##vote merk

Why the hate, bro?

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Power of Pecota posted:

Thanatosian, who are you communicating with?

Currently, just MMM. I'm hoping that expands as the day goes on.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Somberbrero posted:

That's their call, they can answer if they want but I don't know if there's any actual reason for them to do so.


Ah, sorry. For some reason I had it in my head that you were a nexus.

Merk stop powermongering.

Byers and Winvirus are the two.

I'm just saying, merk is joining with them, and once I'm gone, they're probably going to go after you and Rarity next. You may want to protect yourselves in case of a tie by voting early.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

merk posted:

I'd like to advocate that we all get on IRC to make OOT chat easier.

That is cheating.

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Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Somberbrero posted:

Thanks for the helpful reminder!

Also, what's with the two spaces after each sentence? I can handle "GROPING" but who does that?
It's something I learned in early childhood, and have been typing my sentences like that for 25 years. It's too much trouble to break myself of the habit, easier to just do a find/replace when it matters.

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