Welcome earthlings to the Awful Book of the Month! In this thread, we choose one work of Resources: Project Gutenberg - http://www.gutenberg.org - A database of over 17000 books available online. If you can suggest books from here, that'd be the best. SparkNotes - http://www.sparknotes.com/ - A very helpful Cliffnotes-esque site, but much better, in my opinion. If you happen to come in late and need to catch-up, you can get great character/chapter/plot summaries here. For recommendations on future material, suggestions on how to improve the club, or just a general rant, feel free to PM me. Past Books of the Month 2011: January: John Keats, Endymion Febuary/March: Miguel Cervantes, Don Quixote April: Laurell K. Hamilton, Obsidian Butterfly May: Richard A. Knaak - Diablo #1: Legacy of Blood June: Pamela Britton - On The Move July: Raymond Chandler - The Big Sleep August: Louis L'Amour - Bendigo Shafter September: Ian Fleming - Moonraker October: Ray Bradbury - Something Wicked This Way Comes November: John Ringo - Ghost December: James Branch Cabell - Jurgen 2012: January: G.K. Chesterton - The Man Who Was Thursday Febuary: M. Somerset Maugham - Of Human Bondage March: Joseph Heller - Catch-22 April: Zack Parsons - Liminal States May: Haruki Murakami - Norwegian Wood June: James Joyce - Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man July: William S. Burroughs - Naked Lunch August: William Faulkner - The Sound & The Fury September/October: Leo Tolstoy - War & Peace November: David Mitchell - Cloud Atlas December: Kurt Vonnegut - Mother Night 2013 January: Walter M. Miller - A Canticle for Liebowitz Febuary: Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination March: Kazuo Ishiguro - Remains Of The Day April: Don Delillo - White Noise May: Anton LeVey - The Satanic Bible June/July: Susanna Clarke - Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell August: Michael Swanwick - Stations of the Tide September: John Wyndham - Day of the Triffids October: Shirley Jackson - The Haunting of Hill House November: Iain Banks - The Wasp Factory December: Roderick Thorp - Nothing Lasts Forever 2014: January: Ursula K. LeGuin - The Left Hand of Darkness February: Mikhail Bulgalov - Master & Margarita March: Richard P. Feynman -- Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! April: James Joyce -- Dubliners May: Gabriel Garcia Marquez -- 100 Years of Solitude June: Howard Zinn -- A People's History of the United States July: Mary Renault -- The Last of the Wine August: Barbara Tuchtman -- The Guns of August September: Jane Austen -- Pride and Prejudice October: Roger Zelazny -- A Night in the Lonesome October Current:John Gardner: Grendel You can find it on Amazon here: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Grendel-John-Gardner/dp/0679723110 quote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gardner_(American_writer) Discussion, Questions & Themes: There's Lots to talk about with this. A few angles: 1) Just straight up read the book, tell us what you think. Is it a depressing novel or not? How reliable a narrator is Grendel? Exactly how much are we supposed to agree with him? Do we agree with him? 2) Compare and contrast with the original Beowulf 3) Look at it from the angle of Gardner's philosophy and morality. What's he trying to do here? What are the twelve great ideas of western civilization? Is Gardner on to something with his analysis, or is he full of poo poo? Is Grendel? 4) Something I missed until I read a bunch of critical stuff for this re-read: there's a sign of the zodiac in each chapter (for example, Ch. 1 opens with a Ram). What the hell are they doing here? Are they supposed to be signposts to the "twelve big ideas" ? Pacing Let's say a chapter a day; EDIT: scratch this this is a short book and I think everyone probably knows how it ends already. The forum rules just say spoiler tags for things published within the past six months, and I'm pretty sure Beowulf has been out longer than that. Further Resources: I have a first edition of this one and so I took a bunch of photos of the cover, jacket art, and the interior art illustrations. http://imgur.com/a/EBnux#zonB4Bn I'll post further discussion articles once we hit Day 12. Lots of people have theories on how to analyze it but I'm not sure I agree with them completely. Final Note: If you have any suggestions to change, improve or assess the book club generally, please PM or email me -- i.e., keep it out of this thread -- at least until into the last five days of the month, just so we don't derail discussion of the current book with meta-discussion. I do want to hear new ideas though, seriously, so please do actually PM or email me or whatever, or if you can't do either of those things, just hold that thought till the last five days of the month before posting it in this thread. Thanks, and I hope everyone enjoys the book! Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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# ¿ Nov 3, 2014 02:22 |
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2024 20:42 |
Or if you just aren't into books we can just watch and discuss the . . . animated version? Starring Peter Ustinov? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX_xr-tK4WU
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# ¿ Nov 3, 2014 06:00 |
Just to get the discussion rolling, there are two things I'm really noticing with this re-read: 1) Right from the very start Grendel is just flat-out insane from loneliness and isolation. The opening to this is like what Howl might have been if Allen Ginsberg had been raised by wolves in a frozen marsh. 2) This isn't a book that's worrying at all about anachronism, is it?
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# ¿ Nov 3, 2014 16:18 |
Crashbee posted:How important is it to read Beowulf before starting this? Essentially zero importance. I think one major reason Grendel is so popular in high school curriculums is because it's a way to introduce high school kids to the Beowulf story while also talking about lots of other things AND not having to teach anyone Old English. I mean, you'll get more out of it the more you know of Beowulf, sure, but considering that Grendel dies roughly a thousand lines or so into Beowulf, but Grendel is a twelve chapter novel, yeah, most of the action here takes place before Beowulf starts. Probably all you need to know about Beowulf is the wikipedia summary: quote:In the poem, Beowulf, a hero of the Geats in Scandinavia, comes to the aid of Hrođgar, the king of the Danes, whose mead hall (in Heorot) has been under attack by a monster known as Grendel. After Beowulf slays him, Grendel's mother attacks the hall and is then also defeated. Victorious, Beowulf goes home to Geatland in Sweden and later becomes king of the Geats. After a period of fifty years has passed, Beowulf defeats a dragon, but is fatally wounded in the battle. After his death, his attendants bury him in a tumulus, a burial mound, in Geatland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf EDIT: let me rephrase. It'll help to have read Beowulf, but it's not really necessary. This book is mostly about different philosophical ideas. He's mostly just using the Beowulf story as a framework to hang them on. There are a lot of anachronisms and even when he's making a direct reference to Beowulf he's doing so for some reason that matters for the point(s) he's trying to make in Grendel. For example, when he references the bit about the whale-battle from the original Beowulf, I'm pretty sure he's just doing it because he wants to work in the "fish" astrological sign in that chapter. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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# ¿ Nov 4, 2014 13:32 |
It's definitely a book that reads very differently as an adult, which I wasn't expecting. When I first read this I was fairly young and it just came across as a kind of dark primal scream. Read it again in college and it seemed like, ok, there are some puzzle pieces hidden under there but it's still mostly a single long scream. Reading it now it's like the whole thing is as intricately put together as a crossword. The thing is though that I think all three of those readings are relatively valid. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 00:59 |
Hrm. Are people having a hard time getting this one started? Seems like there's low activity this month but maybe it's my imagination. It's available on Amazon in a kindle edition! If people are feeling intimidated by the philosophytalk above, don't be -- this really is a book you can just dive into and read, without preparation. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 01:11 |
Kindle edition is here : http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003N9AZGE/ref=r_soa_w_d Complete with a "read first chapter for free" button =)
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 15:27 |
The Vosgian Beast posted:Fun fact: a large part of the Dragon's speech is taken from Alfred North Whitehead's book Process and Reality. Which adds a few layers of subtext all on its own. Grendel's befuddlement isn't unique: quote:This is not to say that Whitehead's thought was widely accepted or even well-understood. His philosophical work is generally considered to be among the most difficult to understand in all of the western canon.[45] Even professional philosophers struggled to follow Whitehead's writings. One famous story illustrating the level of difficulty of Whitehead's philosophy centers around the delivery of Whitehead's Gifford lectures in 1927–28 – following Arthur Eddington's lectures of the year previous – which Whitehead would later publish as Process and Reality: Grendel's befuddlement is an injoke; everyone is confused by Whitehead, even other philosophers. My favorite bit in that chapter is something I just caught on this read-through; the Dragon's statement that "A certain man will absurdly kill me. A terrible pity -- loss of a remarkable form of life. Conservationists will howl." Emphasis on that word absurdly. If we view Absurdist philosophy as a counterpoint to materialist, concrete, realist philosophy . . . bleeding pebbles posted:
I *think* the Dragon is deliberately giving Grendel pointless, worthless advice. You could also argue that the Dragon is advocating pure hedonism --- find something you enjoy and wallow in it, and bedamn to morality. The Dragon isn't one for clear statements.
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# ¿ Nov 17, 2014 07:13 |
quote:"Poor Grendel's had an accident," I whisper. "So may you all." Suggestions for next month? Christmas themed? Right now I'm leaning towards Christopher Moore's The Stupidest Angel.
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# ¿ Nov 20, 2014 14:09 |
bleeding pebbles posted:
Discussion can keep going after the "official" month ends -- I won't close the thread! That said considering how slow discussion's been moving, if anyone is holding back some last-minute thoughts, please share!
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# ¿ Nov 23, 2014 22:20 |
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2024 20:42 |
The two suggestions y'all gave were great but I got behind on my tasks this weekend due to holiday events (and video games) and didn't get a poll up in time, so I'm going to stick with putting up Stupidest Angel. It's not exactly literature but it is fun and silly so maybe that'll make it more accessible. There's a dog. I'll get a thread up later today.
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# ¿ Dec 1, 2014 15:19 |