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GAPO posted:Maybe that one went too far. Some people wanted to hold Finn to account because they knew he wasn't with all the skeleton poo poo, but did nothing to stop it. RonMexicosPitbull posted:As an admin he could have told the cat lady mods to chill out when he had the chance. This is what I meant by prevailing ideology. Of course your site has one, it would be very difficult for any forum to be actually 'moderate' and downright impossible for one like SS to be. Popular Thug Drink posted:What impact does it have on the world if the moderation of Something Awful improves? Whose lives are made better, and how? Or are we still stuck it "it's internet funny/it's a good deed" conflict? Pokemons don't have any impact or point either but if people want to make forums dedicated to talking about them I don't think they need to explain themselves.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Better post his home address and phone number! ya we dont really do that, crazy dude
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Popular Thug Drink posted:The fact that this thread went six pages without being gassed and now a mod shows up to say it's a bad thread: is this an example of excessive moderation? 1. I dunno. It lasted longer than I thought, but if it devolves into stupid back and forth bullsgit instead of ask/tell, maybe it deserves to be shot behind the chemical shed. 2. In my opinion, we could have done without the personal life stuff on Finn. That's just my opinion, maybe not the opinion of SS or Doxxnet.
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Maarek posted:This is what I meant by prevailing ideology. Of course your site has one, it would be very difficult for any forum to be actually 'moderate' and downright impossible for one like SS to be. our "ideology" is that people should be able to just post without some deviant running up slapping tape over your mouth and take ten bucks. You need to free your mind to the possibility that people shouldnt be punished for typing poo poo on the internet. like you really cant frame it as anything other than strict moderation at all times and its weird to me.
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Nov 4, 2014 20:30
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:our "ideology" is that people should be able to just post without some deviant running up slapping tape over your mouth and take ten bucks. You need to free your mind to the possibility that people shouldnt be punished for typing poo poo on the internet. Except when we post your personal details for having opinions we don't like. This whole 'free speech' thing falls flat when you make exceptions left and right for people who made you angry.
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GAPO posted:
I agree plus it was just a weak doxx period, his life is just sad not like hilarious
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Yuriy posted:You have probated dozens of people funnier and more productive than you for not using the shift key and you are one of the less bad mods this is a lovely thread
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Hmm well to actually ask a question instead of rise up and proclaim how beneath me all of this is  Gapo, do you ever see SS branching out from a "forum about a forum" into its own little platform, or would you be directly opposed to that?
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Nov 4, 2014 20:32
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Better post his home address and phone number! Neither of those things happened. Finn did advocate the doxxing of Honda Rider, though.
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Yuriy posted:You have probated dozens of people funnier and more productive than you for not using the shift key and you are one of the less bad mods you also reported people so much that you actually got probated for generating so many reports
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:our "ideology" is that people should be able to just post without some deviant running up slapping tape over your mouth and take ten bucks. You need to free your mind to the possibility that people shouldnt be punished for typing poo poo on the internet. like you really cant frame it as anything other than strict moderation at all times and its weird to me. This is what I've been getting at. GAPO posted:1. I dunno. It lasted longer than I thought, but if it devolves into stupid back and forth bullsgit instead of ask/tell, maybe it deserves to be shot behind the chemical shed. Why would this thread deserve to be gassed? It's provided quite a bit of insight, sparked controversy/debate and generated views/attention. That's the mark of a successful internet thread. This is the issue with SA. They're willing to gas perfectly successful threads over personal reasons.
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EasternBronze posted:Hmm well to actually ask a question instead of rise up and proclaim how beneath me all of this is As I said previously, I think this SS lives and dies with SA. Not everyone on SS thinks so. I don't know if I'd be willing to put the time and effort in to redirect the site. But if someone else wanted to do it, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed.
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Nov 4, 2014 20:36
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liquorlanche posted:They're willing to gas perfectly successful threads over personal reasons. Too bad this thread got gassed before we could post in it. EasternBronze posted:Is your goal here to have the most posts about a pointless topic in a thread you don't care about? To be honest I know the SS folks are reading this thread and getting upset over things I'm saying, while I'll never visit their forum. They're going out of their way to find things to get upset about on the internet. That's funny.
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:You need to free your mind to the possibility that people shouldnt be punished for typing poo poo on the internet. Despite being a free speech haven that allows people to say almost whatever they want, your forum is full of a lot of like minded people. You don't seem to get that what I am saying is that your forum does have an ideology even if it isn't enforced by the people running it. What is weird to me, and why I keep bringing it up, is that I think it seems super obvious to an outside person but that the people who post there don't seem to realize/believe it. It would be like if someone in D&D said that it was forum of moderate people without any prevailing ideology. That would be total horse poo poo, D&D is liberal as hell. Kewpuh posted:you also reported people so much that you actually got probated for generating so many reports A shameful poster.
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liquorlanche posted:This is what I've been getting at. Yeah I had a mod tell me once when they were thinking of gassing a promising thread, "This isn't a meritocracy." Um, if you're not going to let a thread's merit or popularity decide it's fate, what metric do you use? Whether some friendless power tripping nerd likes it?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Too bad this thread got gassed before we could post in it. You really do think everything revolves around you...your self - centeredness is glaringly obvious.
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Maarek posted:It would be like if someone in D&D said that it was forum of moderate people without any prevailing ideology. That would be total horse poo poo, D&D is liberal as hell. What makes D&D better than SS is that D&D is aware of its biases and revels in them. SS is how D&D was in the 2005 McCaine era, only they make a point of not filtering out dumb posts and hold that up as an advantage.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:
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Also, SS is full of people who constantly workout so twinks and hambeasts are probably not going to fit in there well either. The quota has already been met for those roles.
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Maarek posted:Despite being a free speech haven that allows people to say almost whatever they want, your forum is full of a lot of like minded people. You don't seem to get that what I am saying is that your forum does have an ideology even if it isn't enforced by the people running it. What is weird to me, and why I keep bringing it up, is that I think it seems super obvious to an outside person but that the people who post there don't seem to realize/believe it. Literally the only reason I defend their site is because they don't ban/probate people for going against their ideology. I think their ideology is absolute poo poo. I've been in disagreement with everything I've seen there, but I'm annoyed by the fact that we're denied the opportunity to poo poo all over it, because they can't post here, without getting banned/probated for voicing their lovely opinions. We need to make fun of lovely opinions, not ban them. It's the fun/funny thing to do.
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This is a shameful thread for allowing the supercilious, indignant posts of Thug Drink and Effectronica derail it. Thug you have proven how much SS is hypocritical and everything by posting 20x in this thread. We get your point. Thank you for your service.
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You can report posts on SS, buy I ignore every report. I always have. Sometimes a user will PM me about NWS, or someone disrupting chat, so I'll do something about it, but I just can't imagine seeing that someone has reported a post or a thread and giving a poo poo about it.
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Dogbrisket posted:You won't visit SS yet you have very strong opinions about it? If it's anything similar to it's predecessors I've been mentioned multiple times over there and probably even quoted, just for talking bad about them, despite having no presence or notoriety here at all worthy of being taken down a peg. It's just a
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Kewpuh posted:you also reported people so much that you actually got probated for generating so many reports Yea, I did 3 years ago when I still played vidya games and gave a poo poo about what autists on the internet had to say about them People change, just like how you became a more tolerable moderator when you stopped probating for stupid poo poo
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Maarek posted:Despite being a free speech haven that allows people to say almost whatever they want, your forum is full of a lot of like minded people. You don't seem to get that what I am saying is that your forum does have an ideology even if it isn't enforced by the people running it. What is weird to me, and why I keep bringing it up, is that I think it seems super obvious to an outside person but that the people who post there don't seem to realize/believe it. I think what you're observing is that a large portion of those who have been either 1) outright banned or 2) left due to the...inhospitality..of the "discussion" are generally moderate to right of center with corresponding political/cultural leanings. The ideology you're observing is probably more due to the reality that those with an axe to grind have been selected by the SA community from a relatively specific pool of posters in the first place. That there'd be a fair amount of shared opinion between them is not surprising.
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liquorlanche posted:This is what I've been getting at. But no-one gassed this thread  What are you even complaining about?
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treeboy posted:The ideology you're observing is probably more due to the reality that those with an axe to grind have been selected by the SA community from a relatively specific pool of posters in the first place. That there'd be a fair amount of shared opinion between them is not surprising. Kinda shoots that whole 'groupthink' argument in the face.
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Shelf Adventure posted:But no-one gassed this thread The other funny/successful threads that get gassed because mods have personal feelings about the topics of discussion.
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Yuriy posted:Yea, I did 3 years ago when I still played vidya games and gave a poo poo about what autists on the internet had to say about them you got so angry that you reported people dozens of times a day and now you get so angry that you post on a forum about a forum
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Yuriy posted:Yea, I did 3 years ago when I still played vidya games and gave a poo poo about what autists on the internet had to say about them Haha you reporting human being please PM me your SS user name so I can ban you
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Kinda shoots that whole 'groupthink' argument in the face. The difference being that on SS you can argue whichever side you like without fear of being banned or probated (unlike D&D) as long as you stand by your guns. Also as long as you don't criticize Reagan or Evola, but that's just common sense Bondage fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:The problem is I don't care about who mods this forum that I choose to post on. It's just not a thing that I think about really ever. So why do you care so much? And yet you've got almost a page worth of ad hominem arguments about it in this thread alone.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Kinda shoots that whole 'groupthink' argument in the face. Except one group has to enforce its ideology with increasingly severe punitive measures while the other welcomes dissent but reserves the right to vociferously mock stupid ideas.
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Bondage posted:The difference being that on SS you can argue whichever side you like without fear of being banned or probated (unlike D&D) as long as you stand by your guns. Yes, now we can truly live without fear of being temporarily prohibited from posting, on an internet forum. This is what Soldiers died for. Mercykiller posted:ad hominem lol treeboy posted:Except one group has to enforce its ideology with increasingly severe punitive measures while the other welcomes dissent but reserves the right to vociferously mock stupid ideas. I'd rather be banned than doxxed. I dont think SA has an ideology except 'don't be a giant rear end in a top hat to other people'.
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Bondage posted:This is a shameful thread for allowing the supercilious, indignant posts of Thug Drink and Effectronica derail it. Thug you have proven how much SS is hypocritical and everything by posting 20x in this thread. We get your point. Thank you for your service. This really speaks to how little people really value "free speech". What SS, or people sympathetic to it want is about identical to what LF offsites want for free speech- you can post freely about the right topics, get dogpiled for having the wrong opinions or talking about the wrong topics, and eventually get banned for being the wrong person. This is hardly much of an improvement over where things stand if you value free speech.
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Effectronica posted:This really speaks to how little people really value "free speech". What SS, or people sympathetic to it want is about identical to what LF offsites want for free speech- you can post freely about the right topics, get dogpiled for having the wrong opinions or talking about the wrong topics, and eventually get banned for being the wrong person. This is hardly much of an improvement over where things stand if you value free speech. You obviously haven't seen me argue that the Jews aren't all controlling lizard people on SS, no one has ever been banned for wrongthink on SS. No matter how "liberal". There are plenty of voices of opposition, but to be banned you basically have to be Dr. Casio. Or make fun of my lawn.
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YourHealthyColon posted:are yuriy et al typical somethingsensitive members because they make the place seem incredibly unchill and unfun Yuriy is actually one of the most chill and pleasant SSers
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