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I agree with him. I don't play slow time control tournaments or watch them live; my enjoyment is limited to post-game recaps. A change like that would be great news to me. I'd prefer 30+5 to 15+5 however.
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Nov 5, 2015 02:13
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If people want to watch near perfect chess, they can always watch two computers go at it.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:00
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Candidates are set. Aronian, Anand, Nakamura, Caruana, Karjakin, Topalov, Svidler, Giri.gret posted:If people want to watch near perfect chess, they can always watch two computers go at it. It's not just about the best moves but the best that people can play. Time controls are already getting short enough so as to get in the way of proper (not even ideal) endgame play, we don't need to cut more away to the point that the professional level is just glorified rapid. If you want a more interesting broadcast, then have larger tournaments (so that there's always action going on somewhere) and, more importantly, have broadcast crews better than Yasser Seirawan and Jen Shahade.
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Nov 5, 2015 11:37
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I far preferred the tiebreak days in the recent World Cup. Even on the early days with 64 or 32 boards going at once the classic time controls just made it too hard (and time-consuming) to follow the thread of games from start to finish. On the other hand, I found some of the tiebreak matches (Karjakin-Mamedyarov and Svidler-Karjakin spring to mind, and Wei Yi did some cool stuff) absolutely thrilling. Who cares that it wasn't perfect play, it was the kind of sporting drama that is going to hook people into chess far more than technical endgame play. It's okay for players to make errors. That's my opinion, anyways. Hand Knit posted:glorified rapid
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Nov 5, 2015 12:58
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No Grischuk?
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Nov 5, 2015 22:54
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King Pawn posted:I far preferred the tiebreak days in the recent World Cup. Even on the early days with 64 or 32 boards going at once the classic time controls just made it too hard (and time-consuming) to follow the thread of games from start to finish. On the other hand, I found some of the tiebreak matches (Karjakin-Mamedyarov and Svidler-Karjakin spring to mind, and Wei Yi did some cool stuff) absolutely thrilling. Who cares that it wasn't perfect play, it was the kind of sporting drama that is going to hook people into chess far more than technical endgame play. It's okay for players to make errors. But doesn't this limit enjoyment of the game? I can't speak for everyone, but I love sitting down and watching chess because it takes awhile and there's plenty strategy and ideas/tricks involved. Enjoying the depth of the game, basically. By just making it rapid and faster means people mess up more and don't have time to really think about everything. It's just blindly moving pieces around to see who comes out on top. To me that's not an enjoyable way to play chess. I play chess because I like to form a strategy and take my time. It's a game of patience, not "MAKE A MOVE FAST!" to me. Then again, I'm like 1200. So maybe it's more interesting to me because I don't really understand every single best possible move to make in X circumstance like grandmasters and computers can. But fast games and draws midway through the game never appealed to me. It seems to take out all the fun in playing and makes it so fast that it becomes less of a game about strategy and out thinking your opponent and more about just making fast moves and hoping your opponent makes an easily found blunder you can exploit.
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Nov 11, 2015 19:39
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xIlluminatusx posted:It's just blindly moving pieces around to see who comes out on top. Sorry but that's just utter nonsense. Nobody's talking about making the time control 1 0 (although even that absurdly quick the best players tend to be GMs..), 45 minutes plus increment is absolutely ample time to play a real game of chess. Okay so they don't get half-hour thinks for a single move any more. This is OK by me as a spectator because those are loving boring!
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Nov 11, 2015 22:57
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King Pawn posted:45 minutes plus increment is absolutely ample time to play a real game of chess. For what it's worth, the prevailing attitude at top levels is something of the sort that "150 minutes is not enough time to play a real game of chess." One of the central pieces of this sentiment is that there isn't enough time to play endgames correctly, and shortened time controls would just exacerbate that. As for spectating being boring, I don't think there's going to be much of a difference between a game not moving for 30 minutes and a game not moving for 5 minutes if the commentary is trash. And if the commentary is good, then half an hour isn't so hard to fill. It's worth underlining that this is also only a particular problem when there is only one game going and when that is the case you're dealing with a match where you really want to tilt things in favour of best human play (Knockouts Final, World Championship match). For most top level tournaments, like candidates, the grand prix, or the new Sinquefield thing, you've got 6 games going at any given time, so any one game sitting for half an hour isn't such a big deal since other games are still moving. (I'm also putting aside that covering six games at rapid time control does not work very well, even with good commentary.) And, as a side note where I'll try to not be too snarky, but "boringness" in chess is almost always a function of a lack of understanding. The way to obviate this, then, isn't to make the games quicker but to get better broadcast crews.
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Nov 11, 2015 23:08
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Would both parties be happy with shorter time controls, but also fewer moves until the time control is abandoned? So, this leads to more dynamic openings and tactical midgames, but still leaves time for a well-played end game.
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Nov 11, 2015 23:43
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Hand Knit posted:For what it's worth, the prevailing attitude at top levels is something of the sort that "150 minutes is not enough time to play a real game of chess." One of the central pieces of this sentiment is that there isn't enough time to play endgames correctly, and shortened time controls would just exacerbate that. I'm not disputing that you can play better chess with more time. This is obvious. I just dispute the principle that the point of a chess tournament is to produce perfect play. If that's what you want I'd recommend correspondence chess or TCEC. As a spectator, what I watch for is in large part sporting drama and excitement. If the trade-off is that players lose a few dozen ELO of objective strength that most spectators could hardly detect without Stockfish I'm perfectly fine with that. And as for the last point, there are legitimate reasons to not want to sit down and watch people play chess for six loving hours that don't involve my being a clueless patzer, although you are right that having a few games in tandem helps. Anyways, it looks like there are actually some high level rapid events coming - the Zurich Chess Challenge will be played at 40+10 apparently. Personally, I'm looking forward to it.
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Nov 12, 2015 01:06
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King Pawn posted:I'm not disputing that you can play better chess with more time. This is obvious. I just dispute the principle that the point of a chess tournament is to produce perfect play. If that's what you want I'd recommend correspondence chess or TCEC. The goal isn't to have perfect play. I doubt even computers have "perfect" play. The goal is to just give these grandmasters enough time to sort through everything they need to before making a move. Why the focus on sporting drama and excitement anyway? This is chess; it's not E! TV. It's not football. Chess is a thinking game. Obviously a lot of the fun as a spectator comes in from wondering what move they'll make or who will win. Do we really need to make chess all about drama and action when it's a game based on patience and strategy? Come on. If you want that there's wrestling and tons of other games full of excitement and drama. Chess isn't that kind of game, so why do we need that kind of play here? And that's not an insult. I love football and love a good bit of excitement, but chess has always been a slower paced game based on out thinking the opponent and picking the best strategy you can and hoping to outwit your opponent. I don't think it's meant to be this fast paced and drama filled game like other sports where there's something happening every second. The only drama comes from theorizing about which player wins. Will Vishy win? Carlsen? And why? Who's gonna be world chess champ? Will X move be enough to force a win? If so, why? As a spectator a lot of the fun comes in trying to figure out the logic behind the strategy and moves of the grandmasters. Because we don't know the game as well as them so why would they make X move? Is that gonna be a blunder or will it become one of the moves we all try at the local club? That's the drama and fun. It's all mental. It's not like Carlsen is gonna take a steel chair to the latest contender for world chess champ and call him names on a mic. I don't know what drama and excitement you really expect from a game that is inherently mental in nature. And lowering the time limits just ensures they don't play their best and has them gently caress up a lot. That doesn't make the game more exciting. At least to me that makes the game less exciting because I know it's practically a coin toss between who wins rather than the guy who truly came with the best strategy possible. I'm not asking for perfection, I'm just asking to see the best possible game these guys can play. And playing the best you can isn't demanding perfection or anything of the sort. Because even your best game that beats X guy can probably be countered at some point by someone else in the future.
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Nov 12, 2015 06:54
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Yes a 2 hour game of chess is nothing but a pro wrestling style coin-flipping circus, that's a superb argument. I'm just speaking to what I want to watch as a (potentially) paying spectator. Getting rid of stupid poo poo like adjournments didn't ruin chess, neither would this. And honestly I'm fine with the world championship circuit staying as is for the purists, and maybe the increasing use of rapid chess for tiebreaks and side tournaments will do for me. Different strokes and all  By the way go watch one of those tiebreak matches I mentioned a few posts back and tell me those weren't gripping as hell.
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Nov 12, 2015 08:16
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One of my favorite time quotes is Ben Finegold's "if a player takes a half hour to make a move, it's probably a bad one" Also the St. Louis chess club has a ton of Ben Finegold videos. They're pretty great.
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Nov 13, 2015 21:27
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If only there were a way to have a variety of events, some of which are at shorter time controls than others! I get where Shahade came from in his piece, but I think he seriously underestimates how much some people enjoy and care about long chess games. I enjoy everything from 1 0 to correspondence chess for different reasons, and I can't possibly be alone.
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Nov 21, 2015 09:22
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Hey chess people. Anyone got any good chess books they'd recommend? Looking for both an introduction to chess (nothing too basic though; no 'chess for dumbies') and an interest chess-oriented read.
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Dec 10, 2015 22:24
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Carlsen, Kramnik, So, Karjakin and Giri all playing the Qatar Masters this week. Carlsen already dropped four ELO points for a draw against an IM!
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Dec 20, 2015 23:00
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V for Vegas posted:Carlsen, Kramnik, So, Karjakin and Giri all playing the Qatar Masters this week. Carlsen already dropped four ELO points for a draw against an IM! woohoo chess drama best drama!
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Dec 20, 2015 23:03
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V for Vegas posted:Carlsen, Kramnik, So, Karjakin and Giri all playing the Qatar Masters this week. Carlsen already dropped four ELO points for a draw against an IM! It was the first time he'd played someone <2500 in close to 10 years.
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Dec 20, 2015 23:07
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Hou Yifan is going well at Wijk aan Zee. First female to 2800?
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Jan 21, 2016 22:46
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V for Vegas posted:Hou Yifan is going well at Wijk aan Zee. First female to 2800? That's a strong ask but she'll probably pass Polgar's rating record eventually. Also, last round goes tomorrow. The top 3 right now is Carlsen at 8.5, Caruana at 8, and Ding Liren at 7.5. Then you have a bunch at 6.5. Because of the matchups, first in the tournament is still up in the air: Carlsen and Ding play, with Carlsen having the white pieces. Caruana has black, but against Tomashevsky who has not played very well this tournament.
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Jan 30, 2016 18:01
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Carlsen and Ding drew which, since Caruana is in line to lose, leaves Carlsen as clear winner by a full point. There are only two games still going (Hou is beating Giri and Tomashevsky is beating Caruana), but it's still worth tuning in to the chess24 stream because Svidler and Gustafsson are becoming increasingly unhinged. Right now one is talking about the UK nuclear arms stockpile, while the other is talking about chewing gum.
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Jan 31, 2016 17:28
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Are there any tournaments where they invite the top ranked players, like 1-14?
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Feb 1, 2016 04:58
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I think it happens fairly frequently, Sinquefield cup, Norway Chess, Candidates Tournament to name a few.
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Feb 2, 2016 23:55
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Yifan Hou is playing a match against some <2500 I've never heard of, and just won a hysterical game. http://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp?id=8602980.3409350.14856448.29114 
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Feb 10, 2016 01:00
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What the heck is black doing? Moving all his pieces to the last rank doesn't make any sense, and it wasn't like they were being rerouted to new squares. It's games like this which make me come to the false illusion that I have a chance of defeating an IM/GM when s/he is having an off day. edit: Decent analysis of the game on chess24: https://chess24.com/en/read/news/hou-yifan-gives-henriquez-no-chance
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Feb 12, 2016 20:29
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https://vimeo.com/149875793 Maurice Ashley goes undercover to thrash a hustler in Washington Square Park.
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Feb 16, 2016 13:28
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Hand Knit posted:https://vimeo.com/149875793 The guy even tried, not just to move twice and take two pieces, but he moved Ashley's knight 1 square backwards to do it, too. drat, the balls.
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Feb 16, 2016 14:51
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Women's world championship starts tomorrow http://www.lviv2016.fide.com/ 10 game match. Hou should win by game 7 or 8 I would think.
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Mar 1, 2016 08:35
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The location for the next World Title match has been announced... and it's NYC. https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/9471-the-world-chess-championship-comes-to-new-york-city-.html quote:NEW YORK, March 1, 2016: The 2016 FIDE World Chess Championship, the pinnacle of the global sport played by more than 600 million people, is to take place in New York. Official site here
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Mar 1, 2016 12:05
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Hello again chess thread. Come play my neural network chess engine: http://spawk.fish/play
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Mar 1, 2016 23:47
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Nippashish posted:Hello again chess thread. Come play my neural network chess engine: http://spawk.fish/play Yay I beat it. 
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Mar 1, 2016 23:57
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silvergoose posted:Yay I beat it. Yes, it still needs some work to be actually good It's better than I thought it would be at this stage though!
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Mar 2, 2016 00:04
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This is neat - a data visualisation of 2 million chess games http://blog.ebemunk.com/a-visual-look-at-2-million-chess-games/
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Mar 2, 2016 22:43
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Hand Knit posted:The location for the next World Title match has been announced... and it's NYC. Looking forward to this! Easy commute into the city for me, and hopefully I can get credentialed for bonus access.
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Mar 6, 2016 06:08
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Only problem with the Candidates is Svidler is playing not commentating.
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Mar 11, 2016 10:29
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Why is the Candidates website such a piece of poo poo? I can't find any information about schedules or anything.
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Mar 11, 2016 22:53
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Josh Lyman posted:Why is the Candidates website such a piece of poo poo? I can't find any information about schedules or anything. Are you looking at the AGON website or the worldchess one? The schedule is on the worldchess one under the "visit" tab for some reason. Links to watch the most up to date cast are also there (AGON is delaying retransmission for, you know, proprietary reasons). Anand was the only winner today, beating Topalov in a game that seemed to be pretty easy for him. It would be pretty funny if he won candidates again. And, I mean, he can't be any more of a longshot than last time, can he?
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Mar 12, 2016 00:21
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Hand Knit posted:Anand was the only winner today, beating Topalov in a game that seemed to be pretty easy for him. It would be pretty funny if he won candidates again. And, I mean, he can't be any more of a longshot than last time, can he?
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Mar 12, 2016 00:22
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Josh Lyman posted:Please don't joke about that. Nobody wants to see Carlsen-Anand 3. Anand winning candidates might spur FIDE to end the championship match format.
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Hand Knit posted:Anand winning candidates might spur FIDE to end the championship match format.
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