|
 Hello and welcome to Gate: Thus the JSDF Fought There, Japan's answer to Frank Miller and Tom Clancy's Fusion Dance result, and possibly the most vile comic I've ever read. And continue to read  What the gently caress is Gate? Well if you ask Mangahelpers: quote:One day in the 21st century, a gate opened in the middle of the Ginza district of Tokyo. Out of the gate poured soldiers and strange creatures, and they soon made Ginza look like an image of hell. The gate apparently connected Japan to another world, a world with a militant empire and many supernatural creatures. The Japanese Self-Defense Force decided to send a small group, led by a soldier who's also an otaku, into the other world on a reconnaissance mission. They're meant to learn what they can about the empire (and its plans), the world, and the people. That doesn't sound too ba-  ... There's the obligatory implicit Nanking denial too (And so, so much more)! So Gate then. Gate started life as a series of webnovels written by an ex-JSDF grunt for his fellow right-wing loser friends. It then migrated in, to my understanding, this order: Webnovels->Actual Novels->Manga->Light Novels. In English, we are basically just concerned with the manga. The best part? If you believe the moonreaders, every version has actually REDUCED the amount of garbage in this thing per editor request, so what we're getting is what has survived two filtering processes. It's horrifically violent in ways that disturb me despite having gone through such lovely marches through the roses like Berserk and Parasyte, I have no idea what magazine lets it get away with the absurd levels of  nonsense, it's CONSTANTLY sexist and racist, and literally any time it mentions anything related to domestic Japanese or international politics it gets everything wrong (at one point, the Japanese PM seriously considers to himself that Russia will nuke Japan to protect its national resource market).So why do you keep reading it then? Well first of all I read it because the idea of Earth being permanently nailed to a low power fantasy setting fascinates me (not that Gate delivers on any of that potential of course), but beyond that, if you like trainwrecks, I CHALLENGE YOU to find me one more insane than this. Characters I'll add these later as soon as I can get half decent portraits, spoilers: you will probably hate nearly all of them and the Fantasy Roman Empire's princess is named Pina Colada. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Nov 9, 2014 |
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 04:26
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 21:43 |
|
|
There is a 100% chance that I won't read any of this manga, so please post the most  pages you can find, context unnecessary. TIA.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 04:51
|
|
|
Mordja posted:There is a 100% chance that I won't read any of this manga, so please post the most The context usually makes them worse, I find.  There's only so much I can post. One must enter the fog themselves to uncover the horror and majesty that is Gate: Thus the JSDF Fought There. The two newest chapters are 40 and 41, with focus on the ongoing subplot that I feel I can describe as... let's say the story Lars von Trier would make about the Viera from FF12. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 04:56
|
|
|
Rodyle posted:So why do you keep reading it then? This is the reason I'm still reading it. God is it terrible a lot of the time, but once in a while you get poo poo like this:  If only it were like that all the time and not so much furry sexual assault and hosed up nationalist circlejerking going on.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 05:32
|
|
|
Well I mean, in my ideal world it'd be a political drama, but dragons getting blown up with rocket launchers is inherently cool on its own. Either way if only it could be... anything other than what it is.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 05:53
|
|
|
One day there will be a good modern meets fantasy series. It is not this day.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 05:59
|
|
|
As a horrifically vile right-wing nationalist loser, I've got to check this one out.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 06:42
|
|
|
oh no see i like this clancy-but-even-more-fascist-also-with-porn series ironically
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 07:00
|
|
|
Hey, at least it still isn't as hateful as mahouka.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 07:25
|
|
|
I think I remember hearing about this earlier. What are the wily Chinese up to in this one?
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 09:24
|
|
|
I remember encountering this series when there were maybe like five chapter translated into English and people were still wondering why other nations hadn't gotten involved. I was not expecting it to turn out as bad as it apparently did. I'll have to check it out.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 09:52
|
|
|
advokat posted:I think I remember hearing about this earlier. What are the wily Chinese up to in this one? Surprisingly very little. The main normal world antagonists are the opposing Japanese political party who are portrayed as blatantly stupid and determined to harm Japan.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 10:02
|
|
|
Oh my god, this is sickening. Like Salo with furries.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 10:52
|
|
|
advokat posted:I think I remember hearing about this earlier. What are the wily Chinese up to in this one? They want to take half their population and put it in the other world as a colony by... some method I'm sure.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 11:20
|
|
|
The setting and action sequences are incredible and I wish there were more stories involving modern powers encrouching into uncivilised fantasy worlds. Unfortunately the closest thing I'm aware is Outbreak Company, which is dog poo poo. The good points of Gate are things that are in very short supply, and I've watched enough USA gently caress Yeah! shows that I can deal with even the Japanese military being presented as virtuous and heroic in the occupation of foreign lands. Gate's sin is being dull unless someone is shooting, at which point it becomes the best thing on earth. God knows how you can be dull when every other panel is tits but they manage. Serious Frolicking posted:Hey, at least it still isn't as hateful as mahouka. Mahouka isn't hateful because of it's creepy sub-plot or right wing ubermensch protagonist. It's hateful because it's boring.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 15:13
|
|
|
The_Guy posted:The setting and action sequences are incredible and I wish there were more stories involving modern powers encrouching into uncivilised fantasy worlds. Unfortunately the closest thing I'm aware is Outbreak Company, which is dog poo poo. Nah, the chinese in this are villainous because they want something valuable. The chinese in mahouka are innately evil and always want to destroy the pure righteous japanese. This includes japanese citizens of chinese descent, including those from mixed blood families. It also presented starting a violent pogrom on a local chinese district as necessary and even heroic.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 15:23
|
|
|
Serious Frolicking posted:Nah, the chinese in this are villainous because they want something valuable. The chinese in mahouka are innately evil and always want to destroy the pure righteous japanese. This includes japanese citizens of chinese descent, including those from mixed blood families. It also presented starting a violent pogrom on a local chinese district as necessary and even heroic. Ahaha clearly I didn't watch far enough in for the lunacy to filter through. Is this race war arc less boring than the dull plodding utterly pointless first arc?
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 15:26
|
|
|
The_Guy posted:Ahaha clearly I didn't watch far enough in for the lunacy to filter through. Oh god no. Mahouka never stops being boring as hell. And to get to the race war, you have to go through an even more boring arc about the dullest concept of magic sports imaginable.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 15:29
|
|
|
Serious Frolicking posted:Oh god no. Mahouka never stops being boring as hell. And to get to the race war, you have to go through an even more boring arc about the dullest concept of magic sports imaginable. What a shame. So many shows combine horrible taste with good fun that I'd started to suspect a correlation.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 15:51
|
|
|
I had no idea Mahouka even took place on Earth. Weird.pentyne posted:Surprisingly very little. The main normal world antagonists are the opposing Japanese political party who are portrayed as blatantly stupid and determined to harm Japan. My favorite subplot in Gate is how all those nasty civilian politicians are constantly being obstructive in some way, so it's up to the wily and heroic military to subvert and undermine them at every turn. You know, for the good of the people!
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 16:05
|
|
|
My fave bit is the girl who looks 15 but is actually 969 and turned on by slaughter but yeah i agree that the real problematic element is the nationalism. E: To the dude who mentioned mahouka, this is worse. I hate Gate: Thus the JDF fought there. Namtab fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Nov 9, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 16:49
|
|
|
Rodyle posted:I had no idea Mahouka even took place on Earth. Weird. It's amazing that for a country like Japan which is constitutionally barred from having a military has so many people obsessed with the idea of Japan's (fictional) military being some awesome unbeatable force that embarrasses the USA/China/Russia at every turn.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 18:08
|
|
|
Yeah, it's not like Japan was incredibly militaristic, including having a caste system based around it, for most of its history.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 18:12
|
|
|
pentyne posted:It's amazing that for a country like Japan which is constitutionally barred from having a military has so many people obsessed with the idea of Japan's (fictional) military being some awesome unbeatable force that embarrasses the USA/China/Russia at every turn. Well in reality the "self-defense" force actually IS one of the most well equipped, well trained armed forces in the world (Japan has the 8th highest defense budget), but what military otaku don't understand is that it really is geared, in terms of equipment and training, towards cooperation with other countries for defense. They seem to think that a big military automatically means big force projection, which just isn't the case. Of course this isn't really relevant in the case of something like Gate which is completely batshit right from the outset (Japan would turn control of a hot potato like this over to the international community in a goddamn heartbeat). Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 9, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 18:53
|
|
|
The_Guy posted:Ahaha clearly I didn't watch far enough in for the lunacy to filter through. Technically it happens in the first episode! Remember that fleet in the opening that Tatsuya the Dark Saviour nuked with his magic? That was yet another evil Chinese fleet trying to invade poor little Japan. Not to mention America hates Japan in that series and tries to subvert their activities with spies, and apparently ALL OF EUROPE + RUSSIA have a coalition to support China in their efforts. But you will never get to this because the series is so. drat. -dull-.
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2014 20:14
|
|
|
I skipped around a few chapters. It is amazing how such an interesting setting can create such a boring story. Some things in this manga:
Most of the Japanese I met are pretty against/shamed about expanding military power, so I can see how a military circle jerk story would need to be toned down in order to appeal to a wider audience, but there is still a lot of jingoist shlock. What the hell was cut out if this? Is this manga even popular in Japan? I can't find a wikipedia article about it or anything about it's reception. Deadly Ham Sandwich fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Nov 10, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 00:44
|
|
|
pentyne posted:It's amazing that for a country like Japan which is constitutionally barred from having a military has so many people obsessed with the idea of Japan's (fictional) military being some awesome unbeatable force that embarrasses the USA/China/Russia at every turn. No, right wingers are a pretty universal phenomenon in pretty much all countries
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 01:23
|
|
|
Like many others, I really liked the concept, but I had to drop this poo poo about the time the evil anti-military harpy(non fantasy kind) embarrassed herself on national TV while attempting to undermine our noble JSDF heroes.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 01:25
|
|
|
Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Most of the Japanese I met are pretty against/shamed about expanding military power, so I can see how a military circle jerk story would need to be toned down in order to appeal to a wider audience, but there is still a lot of jingoist shlock. What the hell was cut out if this? 7c Nickel posted:Like many others, I really liked the concept, but I had to drop this poo poo about the time the evil anti-military harpy(non fantasy kind) embarrassed herself on national TV while attempting to undermine our noble JSDF heroes.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 01:31
|
|
|
I think I've read this. Is there a scene where the noble JSDF uses attack helicopters to wipe out a giant fantasy army with no casualties, described in loving detail? Because i pretty much stopped reading after that. It is seriously one of the most boring action sequences I have ever seen, like the author has never even heard of the idea of dramatic tension.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 04:20
|
|
|
ArchangeI posted:I think I've read this. Is there a scene where the noble JSDF uses attack helicopters to wipe out a giant fantasy army with no casualties, described in loving detail? Because i pretty much stopped reading after that. It is seriously one of the most boring action sequences I have ever seen, like the author has never even heard of the idea of dramatic tension.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 04:33
|
|
|
The_Guy posted:The setting and action sequences are incredible and I wish there were more stories involving modern powers encrouching into uncivilised fantasy worlds. Unfortunately the closest thing I'm aware is Outbreak Company, which is dog poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 05:42
|
|
|
You had me at "led by a soldier who's also an otaku."
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 05:45
|
|
|
Sorry nerds, this poo poo can't possibly top shooting an anti-ship missile into Satan's chest through a hellportal.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 09:31
|
|
|
I think there exists a particular strain of author and audience who can't loving bear to put their main characters under any kind of threat, and for whatever reason these people are overrepresented in the militaristic sci-fi/fantasy fandoms. (It is because they are cowardly chickenhawks).
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 09:37
|
|
|
.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 10:39
|
|
|
Phobophilia posted:Sorry nerds, this poo poo can't possibly top shooting an anti-ship missile into Satan's chest through a hellportal. Salvation War! I remember that one. Whatever happened to it? Stories like this are kind of a guilty pleasure for me so I wish they'd start fighting already. It's been several chapters of "intrigue".
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 16:46
|
|
|
kazakirinyancat posted:Salvation War! I remember that one. Whatever happened to it? There's a sequel where they blow up God. No, I'm not joking. Apparently there was going to be a third book but I have no idea who they'd kill in that one.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 16:52
|
|
|
Read the manga last night based on interest in the setting described in this thread. When I say "read" I mean "skimmed over pages that had more than 2 or 3 speech bubbles and was mostly just looking for cool fights". Don't really know who any of the characters are or their motivations but the narration I imagined to go along with the pictures makes this manga pretty awesome.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 17:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 21:43 |
|
|
This isn't the darker than black sequel I wanted
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2014 17:13
|
|
