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Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!




Did Kelly ask Trump all of the attack questions or did Wallace and other person ask any of them?

Could it have been specifically set up so the "woman" would ask it?

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skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Grimey Drawer

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Did Kelly ask Trump all of the attack questions or did Wallace and other person ask any of them?

Could it have been specifically set up so the "woman" would ask it?

Congratulations, you've just found out why Carly Fiorina "won" the kiddie table debate.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


pugnax posted:

GMOs are important to feeding the world, no doubt. But terminator genes and herbicide tolerance is scary poo poo from an ecological perspective - you don't get to control how other plants evolve.

True that.

Now for those of you who're like: GMO this and GMO that. And everything is GMO now and blah yada blah.
Here is the process for real GMO. Its not just a matter of cross breeding.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y4955e/y4955e06.htm

It is a LOT more complex than simply cross breeding plant, and that is why some people are scared of the process. No for real, read that poo poo. I personally do not care either way about GMO. I see it kinda like vaccine: I don't fully understand the process, but hundreds of thousands of doctors, scientists and generally smarter people than me are telling me its okay, and since I do not feel like doing 10+ years of study and research, I tend to believe them. Thats why they're paid. It may be naive, but it sure as gently caress beat 'google university'.

I'm not against GMO labelling. I think its probably a good thing to label, but I sure as gently caress won't bother tying to avoid GMO food. I walk in the grocery store, I grab what I need and that is as much effort as I'm willing to put in that process. Looking at stickers is too much We're all going to die anyways.

Idiot Kicker
Jun 13, 2007


tsa posted:

Nice sexism there.

If that is directed at me, then gently caress you too.
Fox found their own way to make their message easy to digest. Many media outlets use comedy (John Oliver likes to punctuate serious points with comedy to make it easier to swallow), some people use cute babies or shiba memes or whatever else, and Fox uses blonde women with toned legs.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


Ignite Memories posted:

Hasn't it also lead to farmers getting sued by Monsanto for violating their intellectual property because bees are cross-pollinating between their proprietary genetic code and regular, pedestrian crops? Or was that a hoax?

What do you think?

https://thegranddisillusion.wordpre...anto-vs-farmer/
http://www.fooddemocracynow.org/blo...never_lost_case
http://www.dailytech.com/Monsanto+D...rticle24118.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKqdL7A_aUI <--- Food Inc. Documentary.

Let it be known, Monsento has revolutionised the food industry. Thanks to them, more people are fed every day that at any time in history. But the company is run by people without soul who's cold dead hearts have long ago stopped beating.

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Rocks
Dec 30, 2011



Dear god Trump. He just topped his debate antics and it's hardly been 24 hours. What a loving lunatic. I love it.

Agnostalgia
Dec 22, 2009


Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Could it have been specifically set up so the "woman" would ask it?

Yes, and also I think those quotes are unnecessary unless you know something about megyn kelly the rest of us don't.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


Rocks posted:

Dear god Trump. He just topped his debate antics and it's hardly been 24 hours. What a loving lunatic. I love it.

Can you elaborate? WHat happened?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Dalael posted:

True that.

Now for those of you who're like: GMO this and GMO that. And everything is GMO now and blah yada blah.
Here is the process for real GMO. Its not just a matter of cross breeding.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y4955e/y4955e06.htm

It is a LOT more complex than simply cross breeding plant, and that is why some people are scared of the process. No for real, read that poo poo. I personally do not care either way about GMO. I see it kinda like vaccine: I don't fully understand the process, but hundreds of thousands of doctors, scientists and generally smarter people than me are telling me its okay, and since I do not feel like doing 10+ years of study and research, I tend to believe them. Thats why they're paid. It may be naive, but it sure as gently caress beat 'google university'.

Yes, the lack of proper science education which makes people fear a process which is in no way more complicated than cross-breeding and "natural" procreation, and is in fact much better controlled, is a problem for policy-making, I agree entirely.

For example, these are the steps of the process of mitosis in regular eukaryotes, which happens "naturally" in your body all the time:
  1. Interphase
  2. Prophase
  3. Prometaphase
  4. Metaphase
  5. Anaphase
  6. Telophase
  7. Cytokinesis

Spooky, isn't it? Well, meiosis, which happens during sexual reproduction (and hence breeding and such), is even worse!

  • Meiosis I
    • Prophase I
      1. Leptotene
      2. Zygotene
      3. Pachytene
      4. Diplotene
      5. Diakinesis
      6. Synchronous processes
    • Metaphase I
    • Anaphase I
    • Telophase I
  • Meiosis II
    • Prophase II
    • Metaphase II
    • Anaphase II
    • Telophase II

And that just creates the gametes, which then go through fertilization! All those scary words and processes happening in your body all the time, and what does it do to the children?!

quote:

I'm not against GMO labelling. I think its probably a good thing to label, but I sure as gently caress won't bother tying to avoid GMO food. I walk in the grocery store, I grab what I need and that is as much effort as I'm willing to put in that process. Looking at stickers is too much We're all going to die anyways.

Putting warning labels on food that doesn't need warning labels is misleading and encourages bad decision-making both on part of the consumer and on part of the producers. People being scared into requiring food producers to needlessly restrict their ability to improve crop yields and quality will lead to scarcer, pricier food. It's a bad thing which any environmentalist and socialist should oppose.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

I will never forgive Trump if a loving PERIOD joke is what kills his campaign.

Prof. Lurker
Mar 10, 2015

I've got the fire of human liberty!

I'm setting fires everywhere!

And humans are turning on everywhere!

Dalael posted:

Can you elaborate? WHat happened?

he said that megyn kelly was on her period last night

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!


Prof. Lurker posted:

he said that megyn kelly was on her period last night

Blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her... wherever

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

A constellation of faces.


VanSandman posted:

I will never forgive Trump if a loving PERIOD joke is what kills his campaign.

You could say that it ended on a period.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.


Absurd Alhazred posted:

...a process which is in no way more complicated than cross-breeding and "natural" procreation...

Uh, yeah, changing an organisms genome to contain a change that might have happened in 10,000 generations (or possibly never at all) overnight is slightly more complicated than cross-breeding. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a relatively recent development. Not Anti-GMO, but let's be honest. Like any technology, it has capacity to go awry. There's probably reason for a rational amount of concern when radically modifying food supplies. Even in the Bill Nye video I posted earlier it was largely pro-GMO but at the end he throws in a "we should probably be a little more careful than we're being right now." That being said, GMO labeling would be dumb because nearly everything would say GMO on it. It would be totally worthless.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

It's always 2am somewhere.


VanSandman posted:

I will never forgive Trump if a loving PERIOD joke is what kills his campaign.

On the flip side, if that became true I'd be kinda proud of America.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


Absurd Alhazred posted:

Yes, the lack of proper science education which makes people fear a process which is in no way more complicated than cross-breeding and "natural" procreation, and is in fact much better controlled, is a problem for policy-making, I agree entirely.

For example, these are the steps of the process of mitosis in regular eukaryotes, which happens "naturally" in your body all the time:
  1. Interphase
  2. Prophase
  3. Prometaphase
  4. Metaphase
  5. Anaphase
  6. Telophase
  7. Cytokinesis

Spooky, isn't it? Well, meiosis, which happens during sexual reproduction (and hence breeding and such), is even worse!

  • Meiosis I
    • Prophase I
      1. Leptotene
      2. Zygotene
      3. Pachytene
      4. Diplotene
      5. Diakinesis
      6. Synchronous processes
    • Metaphase I
    • Anaphase I
    • Telophase I
  • Meiosis II
    • Prophase II
    • Metaphase II
    • Anaphase II
    • Telophase II

And that just creates the gametes, which then go through fertilization! All those scary words and processes happening in your body all the time, and what does it do to the children?!


Putting warning labels on food that doesn't need warning labels is misleading and encourages bad decision-making both on part of the consumer and on part of the producers. People being scared into requiring food producers to needlessly restrict their ability to improve crop yields and quality will lead to scarcer, pricier food. It's a bad thing which any environmentalist and socialist should oppose.

Canada started putting very discusting labels on cigarette products. People still smoke in Canada. Labelling is not nearly the demon people claim it is. Label the gently caress out of it, most people won't give a poo poo anyways. You'll please those that do, and if one day it so happens that GMO ends up being bad (Remember kids, 30 years ago, cigarettes were good for you) at least you'll have something to point at to say: We're not liable. You were warned.

As I said, I don't care either way. gently caress anyone who thinks I'm gonna start caring about what I ingest that 'may be possibly harmful in very specific conditions hard to recreate outside of a lab' when every day I breath in so much poo poo thanks to the fact I live in a big city.

Grapeshot
Oct 21, 2010


Chantilly Say posted:

Blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her... wherever

Actual Candidate Donald Trump.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

Dallas Mavericks
Dallas Stars

Dalael posted:

Canada started putting very discusting labels on cigarette products. People still smoke in Canada. Labelling is not nearly the demon people claim it is. Label the gently caress out of it, most people won't give a poo poo anyways.

GMOs are not addictive + people who smoke are morons already

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007



stop arguing about gmos you little twerps

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007




Asking Jeb! about Iraq shouldn't count as a gotcha question because he gets asked that one all the time. He should be ready for that one but he never is and probably never will be.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

BUG JUG posted:

iCarly endorsed by french people: http://news.yahoo.com/carly-crush-f...-174005862.html

(really they're just gushing about her kiddie debate performance, probably because English is their second language and they missed her being.....not good)

How long until the next debate? I could see Fox deciding something like "well for this debate we're going with the top 8 in the polls and bringing in the two best debaters from the kiddie pool" so they can toss Fiorina in the main event.

Spiderjelly
Aug 22, 2006

Sign of evil.


Dalael posted:

Canada started putting very discusting labels on cigarette products. People still smoke in Canada. Labelling is not nearly the demon people claim it is. Label the gently caress out of it, most people won't give a poo poo anyways. You'll please those that do, and if one day it so happens that GMO ends up being bad (Remember kids, 30 years ago, cigarettes were good for you) at least you'll have something to point at to say: We're not liable. You were warned.

As I said, I don't care either way. gently caress anyone who thinks I'm gonna start caring about what I ingest that 'may be possibly harmful in very specific conditions hard to recreate outside of a lab' when every day I breath in so much poo poo thanks to the fact I live in a big city.

This is really, really not the place for it.

meristem
Oct 2, 2010
I HAVE THE ETIQUETTE OF STIFF AND THE PERSONALITY OF A GIANT CUNT.

Chantilly Say posted:

Blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her... wherever
I really want someone to point out that recent study that men who insult women are literal losers. Are you a loser, Mr. Trump?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007


We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold





Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Did Kelly ask Trump all of the attack questions or did Wallace and other person ask any of them?

Could it have been specifically set up so the "woman" would ask it?

Wallace spent half the debate trying to outsmart Trump and failed spectacularly at it.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


Spiderjelly posted:

This is really, really not the place for it.

Clearly a big issue (for republicans apparently) that was discussed and is still being discussed. I am merely making the argument that being against GMO labelling because people will get scared and stop buying it is idiotic. Much like that whole debate last night.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


meristem posted:

I really want someone to point out that recent study that men who insult women are literal losers. Are you a loser, Mr. Trump?

Nah he owns at halo

wid
Sep 7, 2005
Living in paradise (only bombed once)

VanSandman posted:

I will never forgive Trump if a loving PERIOD joke is what kills his campaign.

Not unless he's running as a democrat. The rep base most likely agrees with him that that blonde hussy should shut her bleeding holes shut and get back in the kitchen. What I wondered about is whether Kelly is actually aware this is the type of person her side had been molding all these times.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


wid posted:

Not unless he's running as a democrat. The rep base most likely agrees with him that that blonde hussy should shut her bleeding holes shut and get back in the kitchen. What I wondered about is whether Kelly is actually aware this is the type of person her side had been molding all these times.

Probably not. She's all legs and no brains. I'm not even sure she was aware of where she was or what was happening around her.

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005




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Caros
May 14, 2008



Do Not Resuscitate posted:

He should be asked about Iraq at each and every debate. Just lob it out there for him -- a nice, fat softball question about Iraq. It'll be hilarious to see how differently he whiffs it each time.

No, no... for real, I've got it this time. I don't need any help. We should have invade- poo poo! Shouldn't. Shouldn't have.

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012


"My brother's only mistake was invading Iraq instead of Iran."

midnightclimax
Dec 3, 2011

by XyloJW


Pavlov posted:

"My brother's only mistake was invading Iraq instead of Iran."

That would work if his name was Trump. *audience cheers, claps" "Oh, by Golly!"

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8



Dalael posted:

Probably not. She's all legs and no brains. I'm not even sure she was aware of where she was or what was happening around her.

She's not an idiot and she occasionally breaks ranks with the Fox hivemind on women's issues.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012



Dalael, that's sexist.

Miltank
Dec 27, 2009

by XyloJW


Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

She's not an idiot and she occasionally breaks ranks with the Fox hivemind on women's issues.

She is quite smart I'm sure and is occasionally willing to break ranks with FNC doctrine when it comes to topics which effect her personally.

Miltank
Dec 27, 2009

by XyloJW


She is garbage make no mistake.

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003








Slippery Tilde

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

She's not an idiot and she occasionally breaks ranks with the Fox hivemind on women's issues.

Only on women's issues that directly impact her. That makes her the worst kind of scumbag.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014


Zelder posted:

Dalael, that's sexist.

Realism and sexism are not always mutually exclusive.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012


Dalael posted:

Realism and sexism are not always mutually exclusive.

Nice avatar/post combo.

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's a handshake in progress


Full Battle Rattle posted:

Uh, yeah, changing an organisms genome to contain a change that might have happened in 10,000 generations (or possibly never at all) overnight is slightly more complicated than cross-breeding. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a relatively recent development.

But that's not true; we actually tend to do a lovely job at reproducing processes that occur naturally all the time. As an example, photosynthesis has been a naturally-occurring process for plants and plant-like organisms around the world for millions of years, yet artificial photosynthesis is still a hot topic of research because we're actually kind of lovely at artificially producing this totally natural and "simple" process.

Another example: growing a human liver is a pretty humdrum and boring process until you're asked to do it in an artificial way.

Arguably, changing a single gene in a species is a far simpler process than attempting to invoke that change over 10,000 breeding attempts. The variable space alone is far larger in the latter than the former; any number of other things could happen along the way. Selectively modifying a gene is a much more controlled and accurate process, even if it's difficult.

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