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Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Me I have nights free now

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Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



hey guys, i didn't even get a role

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



in the absence of any other information, i am the only person i cannot trust

##vote Ernie

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



can a potato talk? can a potato even smile?

what is a potato?

what am i?

am i human or am i dancer?

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



EccoRaven posted:

taylor swift

I got to my inbox too late [chuckle]
That' why I'm morally gray
At least that's what people say, mmm-mmm
That's what CPig says, mmm-mmm

But I am confusing
Can't stop, won't stop posting
It's like I got this human
In my mind
Saying, "It's gonna arrive."

'Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the potatos gonna tate, tate, tate, tate, tate
Baby, I'm just gonna wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
I wait it out, I wait it out

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



okay, since i'm close to being puppy cuddled i think i should claim

i am a serial killer

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Dr. Hurt posted:

Quick what is everyone's favorite giant monster movie? I am partial to king Kong vs. Godzilla.



there is so much heart and love that went into this movie that it's intoxicating

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



for those who've never seen it: http://www.amazon.com/Million-Miles-Earth-Anniversary-Edition/dp/B000QGEB1W

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



I got my role! If someone has a mason-izer role, please use it on me. I have something very cool to share.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Ixts posts sound more like a person wanting to direct discussion than a person offering up their opinions.

##vote ixt

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Also met is a lovely person, asiina is town because it would be too uncharacteristic of scum to push a cuddle on met with no reasoning, merk is probably town, ecco was obviously lying because that role would never exist in a cpig game and also there was no n0

Can someone quote for me the part of the op that says scum don't know each other?

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Ixtlilton posted:

I came to chill out for a bit in my first game in months and chatting with people makes me scum, got it.

I feel really bad because I just came out from my secret retirement for this game too and I really didn't want to target you but you are scummy

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



So am I to understand that there no trackers or watchers in the game? Game balance would say that there can't be. By the responses to eccos posting it seems like there aren't (m)any vigilantes either. Cops wouldn't work because how can they function proper. What roles would even go into the game?

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Ixtlilton posted:

And if you actually felt bad you wouldn't do it. I'm like 98% certain you've held off of targetting players D1 of large games for reasons before.

I'm currently debating unvoting tbh.

Debating

Debating

Debated

##unvote

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Ixtlilton posted:

Also, how is directing discussion towards vodka and stuff people posted for the hour or so I was there scummy?

Not the vodka

Your opening statement of what I'd do vs what I wouldn't do. It didn't read to me like an organic thing ixt would say while scum hunting. More like a thing ixt would say if ixt wanted to sound like ixt scum hunting.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



The Science of Suck posted:

reading the game enough to have opinions on posters and while conveniently not reading the op and dropping something that makes it seem like he couldn't possibly be scum

no sir i don't like it, not one bit
##vote Ernie.

Did you miss the post I made that gives away that I think the op is lying because otherwise the game can't be balanced classically or reasonably?

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



The Science of Suck posted:

i probably just ignored it because i don't care about setup speculation and also it speaks nothing to my point about you paying attention to one part of the game while seemingly not another part that conveniently lets you townslip



"I ignored some parts of what you said but not others but I don't believe you ignore some parts of what are said but not others"

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



EccoRaven posted:

still true 4 u 2 erniebro

You and I can disagree about game theory but it doesn't make you right. In a game where everyone must act at least a little scummy including the scum, the powers are mostly going to focus on ability modification. Which means either the scum have access to more than one ability each, or more likely, the abilities they have counter directly the abilities town players have.

Here's a practical application of set up speculation: The scum this game are themselves a town that have to reach majority properly, while themselves being right about targeting town players at night. They're probably told how many scum are in the game. A town cop would be woefully wrong a lot of the time but a scum cop would be helpfully right a lot of the time, meaning anyone who claims cop in this game is more likely scum than town because in this game the ability favors scum players more.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Meinberg if I give you another vig will you shoot ecco?

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



??? The less scum are able to reach a majority vote on a town target, the less their individual knowledge on which townies are valuable to the town become an advantage.

Are you even aware of how mafia works????

In a normal game scum would rather bus a teammate with more heat on them than less. Or one that's been copped. Now reverse the logic to find out what scum this game might play like

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



EccoRaven posted:

The less townies play like townies, the harder we have to figure out who among them is scum.

YOU'RE POSTING BONKERS, ERNIE.

In fact I'm not. Scum this game are playing like survivors. Not only that they're playing like survivors who don't care if they die because their teammates can win without them and also because no connections can be made.

If we nail one scum or two scum there's no guarantee that we can nail three or four. On the other hand they're shooting fish in a barrel. The more townies play like townies the easier the game is for scum. If we want to win the game has to be played differently. If more than one person claims their role then the scum simply can't coordinate which they think is most dangerous depending on their personal roles.

I can even start.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



##volunteer

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



i have a lot of thoughts but will write them when i have time

suffice to say a few people are clearly unfamiliar with my play

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



CapitalistPig posted:

[*]Players who volunteer will be unable to do a night action tonight.

we should volunteer people we think are scummy


EccoRaven posted:

"It was all a joke!!"

- the refuge of the damned

this is a very scummy thing to say, but i'll leave it be as part of my case, i promise

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Are we told how many supports or sabotages happen?

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



i was about to put effort into the game

but then i read bowmore's post history and laughed to myself and thought 'hahaha who cares'

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



that said, i liked the part where people thought to themselves 'ernie is trying to find his scumbuddies by making everyone act scummy'

it makes 0 sense but it is an actual case presented with actual supporters on a forum game designed to incorporate logic and critical thinking

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



the case i had on ecco was that ecco was going through the motions of pretending to be town but in reality all his actions are self-serving including:

1. HEY GUYS IM GENERATING CONTENT LOOK AT ME IM FAKING HAVING A VIG
complete with no follow-up analysis on anything that his 'gambit' produced
like seriously, why do it at all if he won't analyze people who 'fell' for it? it's a move 100% motivated by his own appearance

2. GEE WE SHOULD ALL BE TOWNIE, EH GUYS, RIGHT GUYS? TOWNIE CUS WE ARE TOWN AND STUFF
complete with jumping at the first opportunity to look like he has a read (me) and not letting go of it, in utter satisfaction that he doesn't have to expend any effort into the game

##vote ecco

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



up next: merk, he's playing at a safe distance. one page before my theory of everything this game should be, merk himself agreed that everyone needs to act a little scummy

but then when I made a post declaring it he stays back and goes 'let's discuss whether ernie is scummy'. eventually noticing that when there's a little momentum on me, he doesn't actually need to push it, which is why his most recent post is 'what do we think of ixt' not 'i think ixt is a better target than ernie because i agree with ernie'

and ecco ties in here, too:

ecco's read every post in this thread, but he felt like i'm an easier target to build momentum on than merk. that's why when both merk and i said the same thing, he chose to call me scummy for it instead of merk

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



in conclusion: who puts a deadline on a sunday night and also i am off to work

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



fiery_valkyrie posted:

It's a game where scum try to make town act against their own best interests. I think that was what you were promoting.

that would be true would it not be for the fact that you are literally insane for not understanding the setup. what the setup basically is: every scum gets a double-vote. every town gets a single-vote.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



we are as much scum as we are town in this game considering we also have to lead the scum astray, and the more difficult it is for scum to figure what to do with the fact that they have to vote twice in a day, the more likely we are to win

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Asiina posted:

I still agree with Ernie's logic, although I'm not sure how all that meant "therefore we should fullclaim" in an earlier post.

oh i wanted to mention that that was the part that i was joking about, just to piss ecco off

it worked

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Puntification posted:

The problem I have with ernie's logic, ignoring the fullclaim thing/joke, is that even if perhaps it would maximise our chances as town to confuse scum and hope this leads them to make mistakes with the NK it'd make the game a war of attrition that could become a blind crapshoot as far as scumhunting goes and possibly really drawn out and boring.

how else is a game where the scum don't know each other going to play out???

we'll just divine the identity of the scums one after the other flawlessly?

also confused scum are going to make mistakes during the night-time and during the day time. they vote twice!!!

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



CapitalistPig posted:

The scum kill will consist of all members of the scumteam pming me a kill choice each night, the majority will win, in the event of no majority I will rng the kill from the choices presented.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



merk posted:

I don't think you're scummy for advancing the game theory. The only post I found that is semi persuasive for why you might be scum is this post:

just because ecco appended 'doesn't help us find scum' to a bunch of my words

a) doesn't make it true
b) and even if it were true doesn't make me scummy

if the logic is that things that don't progress The General State of Scumhunting are inherently scummy, then everyone who hasn't posted is scummy

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



merk posted:

This is a ridiculous post, friend.

it is

but only because i don't for a minute doubt that Sincere Merk would agree that eliminating the possibility of fake-claims is worthless

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



Ernie. posted:

ecco's read every post in this thread, but he felt like i'm an easier target to build momentum on than merk. that's why when both merk and i said the same thing, he chose to call me scummy for it instead of merk

more to the point

merk you yourself have scumhunted before by seeing what people are willing to do/not do around/about you

what do you think of this?

ignore the difference between my and your case and the way i went about mine. ecco absolutely ignored that you yourself advocated people act a little scummy/didn't confront you with it

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



EccoRaven posted:

I've literally never said this.

Dear Ecco, Master Strategist sent to us by God Himself,

Since you know what is best for everyone in the game and why some strategies are flawed, I want you to right here right now tell me some conclusions you've drawn based on your very elaborate vig claim.

What net positive did it give the game?

Thanks,
Your Most Humble Opponent,
Ernie

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Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



EccoRaven posted:

I think Ernie wants us to deliberately play sub-optimally ("scummy") because he's genuinely afraid he won't be able to post townie this game, so if he gets even a few townies to follow him he'll get to hide better.

I mean think about it, if the scum never know the others' identities, then us playing like scum makes the game a crapshoot

yes, the game is not already a 'crapshoot'

it can only 'become' one

yes, this is a thing that anyone who has played mafia for more than a day agree on

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